DocSolarisReich
Esoteric Spaceman
Imagine threatening Christians with ostracazation lol.
Y'all do your best work in the dark.
Quite frankly we probably need a good series of state persecutions to trim us of our fat and crypto apostates.
Imagine threatening Christians with ostracazation lol.
Y'all do your best work in the dark.
You are also someone who calls the Founding Father's the Founding Felons.Surrendering to your definition of terms is not on the table. What is so difficult to understand about this? ‘Winning elections’ insufficient reason for me to sacrifice a pinch of incense to the genius of the Emperor with New Clothes.
I will not deny My Lord to save your feelings. Get the fuck over yourself. I know how to live as a dissident and am prepared for being driven to the catacombs and embracing martyrdom rather than compromise on this.
If the Reds comes for you lot, why should I care if the Revolution eats its own?
You are also someone who calls the Founding Father's the Founding Felons.
So thinking you have any sort of reasonable perspective on this issue, or many others I expect, is a futile exercise.
I do not have any hard data on this, only the exit polls from 2016 (the 2020 exit polls are worthless because of the election fraud that occurred).
I am speaking about what I have seen among people like Richard Grenell, who was the first gay cabinet member in US history, and among right leaning LGBs on social media. Trump championed the 'Fight to decriminalize homosexuality' with Grenell leading the charge, and it was one of the policies that definitely made Trump and the Right more popular with LGBs.
Really, the only places I see people wanting to actively reverse same-sex marriage (as opposed to simply dissaproving of it) are among the fringe of Right, and I see a lot of people on the Right appealing to LGBs via the 2nd Amendment. Gays with guns don't get bashed nearly as much, after all.
Edit: When you get right down to it, the 2nd Amendment and trying to protect it is one of the big things the Right and many LGBs have in common.
No trans person should ever be allowed to adopt, or permitted within 500 feet of any person under 18 at any point in time in said trans person entire existence.
This means that if I was trans, I couldn't go to a movie theater, or a park, or a store, or anywhere where I can be near a kid.. It should be noted that such restrictions for actually convicted pedophiles (as opposed to someone who is just supposedly more likely to perform such actions) mean that they do end up essentially living under bridges, which I do think is unjust.
1a. They're being constantly judged. Judged against a standard no one with less destructive urges is held to, because their urges are that destructive. I don't know how you think they aren't being judged.It absolutely is. Framing it in these ways and promoting “virtuous” pedophiles and that they must be allowed to be tolerant and open and not to judge them is legitimizing it.
No, the starting point was that these people were dangerous and that it was an aberration that was degenerate. The pedo stuff is pushing against that.
it’s really not. A childless marriage is absolutely doing it wrong but the modes of control to prevent or enforce people having children in a marriage are ridiculously high. Something that is wrong to do or contravenes it’s purpose or value doesn’t mean it should now be illegal unless you do it exactly that way that it’s supposed to be for. I’ve already explained this over, and over, and over again as well. A marriage where one or both partners are infertile (which by the way, often causes divorce, which should show you the purpose of marriage and why we get married), but both are heterosexual, is far less egregious against the purpose because between the partners it’s an exception, not the rule.
If you have no kids you go extinct lol. All societies raise children in some fashion, mostly mom and dad with kids in house up to a certain age, we don’t breed like animals that leave a bunch of babies in one place, leave, and then they fend for themselves from birth. We are extremely vulnerable from birth, and we don’t do well without a household and with only one parent, we do better with both. Every society had marriage in some fashion, it’s a natural product of humanity in specifically how we civilize and create order, stability and civilization.
Ah, missed that.
What I proposed there is also done to the severely mentally ill.
Yet he frames it like I wanna gas them
I don't have to move, or negotiate with you, because same-sex marriage is the law of the land, and it is you that wishes to reverse it.Are you starting to understand that some things aren’t negotiable yet?
We. Don’t. Care.
If you care about making common cause with US, you move.
That narrow majority that wants to reverse same-sex marriage is going to continue shrinking as time goes forward.*snip*
So, how is gender dysphoria on the level of paranoid hallucinagenic schizophrenia? Or other sorts of outright psychosis? Gender dysphoria is also not actually universal to those with the noted neurological signs, but rather there exists those who only possess instinctual preferences of the opposite sex.And people with serious mental illness. You dishonest clown.
gaslighting snipped
Ah yes, calling what I said 'gaslighting', instead of the truth of the situation.As if unemployed working class yellow dog dems give a shit about buttsecks, lel.
I believe we have our answer, LGBT brings nothing to the round table other than a desire to put us through humiliation rituals and agree with them that there are five lights.
It's a good reminder that the only reason I'm under the same voting tent as a lot of the right wingers is just because the democrats have gone THAT insane.
It reminds me that I'm still kinda liberal....but the left has just lost their God damn minds, so I'm voting with republicans.
I respect the opinions of everyone in here, but I outright disagree with this anti gay stuff. I want the government out of religion and religion out of government. Not everyone needs to follow the same beliefs, and we should be free to live and practice how we want.
I respect your religion and your right to practice it, but the free country I want to live in gives them equal rights. I can't figure out how this hurts any of you. I can't figure out how "widen our tent to get 90% of what we want, we can live and let live" is less appealing than "stick to this anti gay stuff and probably lose and get nothing."
You can be morally against it and still let others live how they'd like.
This shit is going to lose elections.
I don't have to move, or negotiate with you, because same-sex marriage is the law of the land, and it is you that wishes to reverse it.
So for an exit poll, the LGBTs voted 28 to 61 for Trump to Biden in 2020, and it's trending upwards. Dem's are trying to head this off by forcing an equality law vote (they absolutely don't care if it wins or loses, as the law is basically already the law of the land since Bostock). So this will increase in the future, now that there's no reason to vote for LGBT rights.Cite polls then, or any other kind of data.
Because as I've said, I think you're interacting with the segment of LGBs who are Republican-leaning independents or Republicans. I don't doubt that it's a reasonably popular position among LGBs who are Republican-leaning independents or Republicans. But you guys are not a significant part of LGBs.
As far as I can tell, the only LGBs among whom "drop the T" is popular are 1) Republican-leaning independent or Republican LGBs, who make up <25% of LGBs. And it isn't universal there. 2) TERFs who are maybe like 5% of Ls, highballing it.
Just how popular do you think this is among LGBs? My guess would be at highest 25%. Does your perception differ or, if so what do you think the percentage is?
I've been trying to find any polls of LGBTs on the issues, the although I've only found the Williams Institute one on candidate preferences so far.
So for an exit poll, the LGBTs voted 28 to 61 for Trump to Biden in 2020, and it's trending upwards. Dem's are trying to head this off by forcing an equality law vote (they absolutely don't care if it wins or loses, as the law is basically already the law of the land since Bostock). So this will increase in the future, now that there's no reason to vote for LGBT rights.
It's not so much the T as it is the weirdos/grifters.But what I'm curious about here is the opinions on LGBT people are on the issues (particularly social ones). Specifically, @Bacle and a few others I think have been saying that most LGB people are for "dropping the T" or something similar. I don't think this is true.
You know, I had a whole angry rant ready, but I won't convince you, so I just going to move on.So, ten years there should have been no negotiation with you, because homosexual marriage was not the law of the land?
I've seen this. IMO this is part of a broader phenomena in which Trump went from at about the low waterlevel of minority support for the GOP to the high water level. If this trend continues and it starts going much above that, then I'm wrong, but until that happens I don't think this is super significant.
But what I'm curious about here is the opinions on LGBT people are on the issues (particularly social ones). Specifically, @Bacle and a few others I think have been saying that most LGB people are for "dropping the T" or something similar. I don't think this is true.
Part of the issues with Ts is also the male athletes who use is as a short cut to medals, because transitioning (assuming that don't just dress like a chick and 'identify as trans' without getting the surgeries) doesn't effect the muscle mass much, due to them being fulling grown already.It's not so much the T as it is the weirdos/grifters.
Basically, there are normal trans people, who just transition then just want to act as the other sex, and not do anything weird. Think Blair White, Buck Angel, two people (out of many 'fakes' (including me, I'll get to that below)) that I met in college, etc.
Then there are two other groups (and they quite distinct). There's barely transitioned people who are confused, and are 'non-binary'. That's not a thing. Usually they don't know what they are doing, especially college aged ones (I was one, til I realized that no, I don't have dysphoria, I'm just comfortable in a skirt cause I'm bi and kinky. It's one of the reasons I'm confident non-binaries don't exist. Snapping out of this was part of the reason I'm so happy I left the left. I could have disfigured my body for no reason if I had gone further, and that scares me (Don't think I've ever announced this online either)). These kids are setting themselves up for a possibly horrible future life. I'm lucky I matured fast enough.
Then there are abusive male sex offenders who want to exploit the system. These are almost all MTF, and seem to be fine transitioning.
This is what I think people are fine dropping, but to often normal T's are wrapped up in this bullshit.
This is what I think people are fine dropping, but to often normal T's are wrapped up in this bullshit.
That narrow majority that wants to reverse same-sex marriage is going to continue shrinking as time goes forward.
I see a lot of politicians on the Right who want to bring in more LGBs, not less, and who definitely don't make repealing same-sex marriage a talking point or major party platform.
You and others keep forgetting Trump's base is more than just the GOP, it's a lot of ex-Dems and independents, many of whom have LBG friends. Those people will not vote R if the GOP backslides into the anti-LGB movement it was when I was in highschool and most of college.
In fact I can garuantee that backsliding on LGB issues is a wonderful way to make sure the Right never gets large disaffected Dem or Independent votes again. Without those, the GOP would have to look to it's shrinking and aging hardcore social-con part of it's base to get votes, and they just aren't their in the numbers or locations needed at this point.
I mean, I go to pride (or did, before Covid), and I was going in Boston. I was the only conservative in my friend groups (as I was living in Boston). I have a pretty decent grasp of how LGBT people act. And most of them are what I call default liberals. They don't think much about politics, and will vote democrat. These are people that are waiting for a red pill (as I was there), and they are in the process of moving over. I could be wrong, but I don't think so.@Bacle has been using the term "LGB" pretty exclusively, which is terminology I've generally seen with people who do want to totally drop the T. (Although I see he's responded, and he knows his positions better than I do) My argument has been that I think "right-wing LGBT" people selects for people who disapprove of the extremes of the LGBT movement, and since people generally associate with likeminded people, you guys have a distorted view of how popular it is with the broader LGBT movement. This manifests with people who want to drop the T & assume this is popular with the rest of LGB, but I think it also manifests with what I've heard called a "transmed" (or "truscum") faction, who think the "non-binary" stuff isn't popular with the rest of LGBT. Although I admittedly haven't been able to find data one way or another on this.
Eh. Usually the type I'm talking about have offended before transitioning.I do agree with you that there are a couple different types of people being lumped together under T, when at very least there's no particular reason to assume they have the same causes. I don't think the male sex offenders you're talking about are meaningfully different from late-transitioning agp-type mtfs, though. I think it's probably just that agp-type mtfs commit abuse at high rates.
Part of the issues with Ts is also the male athletes who use is as a short cut to medals, because transitioning (assuming that don't just dress like a chick and 'identify as trans' without getting the surgeries) doesn't effect the muscle mass much, due to them being fulling grown already.
It is a biological reality that men have more upper body strength on average than women, and don't have periods, and a lot of the Ts propoganada likes to ignore this issue.
Also, Ts have been known to use the military to get the surgery done, on the taxpayers dime. Transitioning is not a cheap set of procedures, and is purely elective; the tax payer shouldn't be footing the dime for that.
Related to that, a LOT of docs/surgeons/psyche professionals have realized 'helping' people transition can make them a lot of money. Do the math.