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Isem said:
Not entirely sure if this is the thread for this but remember how Kerry was one of the people intended to be part of Biden's cabinet? Well he's full on for the great reset as a means to stop populism like what let Trump win or Brexit to happen.

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Good God Emperor of Mankind, these people are morons. Their answer to the rise of populism is "do more of what was causing the rise of populism in the first place." They could prolong their reign by offering a few scraps of reform, but this would just hasten the end.

I'm not sure if there has ever been a more arrogant, out of touch and delusional class of elites than what we have now.
 
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Lord Sovereign said:
Good God Emperor of Mankind, these people are morons. Their answer to the rise of populism is "do more of what was causing the rise of populism in the first place." Their could prolong their reign by offering a few scraps of reform, but this would just hasten the end.

I'm not sure if there has ever been a more arrogant, out of touch and delusional class of elites than what we have now.
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Czar Niccoles of Russia still tops them.
 
Rocinante said:
What's so wrong with populism, anyways?
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Nothing, except it means people start questioning the 'elites' and 'experts' more than normal, while embracing politicians who do not hold to the status quo and look to national interests before globalist concerns.

The globalist elites cannot abide populism, because it directly undermines their efforts to erase borders, destroy national identities, and force the 'Great Reset'/'New World Order' on a populace that is unaware of their aims.
 
Rocinante said:
What's so wrong with populism, anyways?
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In American history not much, there have been several populist phases in American history. Like the Silver party, Andrew Jackson and other events. The leadership of said movment's tend to be course and rough but their hardly killers of democracy that their detractors make them out to be. And I say that as some one who is opposed to a lot of populist policies.

The big problem is that America's cities have been mismanaged for well decades now, and the boomers start to retire in 22 and urban areas tend not to have kids so the tax base is shrinking, and as we have seen in Detroit you can death spiral very quickly if you fuck up. Urban areas are the democrats power base now their an urban party. If the cities start dying then they have two choices serious reform or loot the countryside.

Populism gets in the way of the one more year one more day putting off of disaster, the goal isn't to reform anymore its to make things last just long enough so that the next fool gets caught holding the bag or at least that's what its like in California. A bunch of short sighted decisions to put off painful reforms just one more day, one more month one more year until they hit the wall at full tilt.

And that isnt even going into the rural urban devide, and international and nationalist politics devide.
 
Bacle said:
The globalist elites cannot abide populism, because it directly undermines their efforts to erase borders, destroy national identities, and force the 'Great Reset'/'New World Order' on a populace that is unaware of their aims.
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Given how they couldn't even get to this point without significant blow-back (Brexit, Trump and so forth), god only knows what going full steam ahead will do. If you ever wanted to reawaken the specter of classical fascism, this would be how you do it. The oh shit moment for the Left is when all their moralising and word games are met with "I don't care" and a Squadristi fist in the face. Fortunately, we likely won't get to that point as politically the rise of standard nationalism on its own seems inexorable at the moment.

As time goes by, I'm really becoming convinced that globalism has been a fool's errand and I'm not sure why they've bothered.
 
Lord Sovereign said:
Given how they couldn't even get to this point without significant blow-back (Brexit, Trump and so forth), god only knows what going full steam ahead will do. If you ever wanted to reawaken the specter of classical fascism, this would be how you do it. The oh shit moment for the Left is when all their moralising and word games are met with "I don't care" and a Squadristi fist in the face. Fortunately, we likely won't get to that point as politically the rise of standard nationalism on its own seems inexorable at the moment.

As time goes by, I'm really becoming convinced that globalism has been a fool's errand and I'm not sure why they've bothered.
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because it can work on a smaller scale. The US does have international allies and points of interest (See, Israel, Japan, and Hong Kong) so there is this idea of "Well we got X on board, why not Y & Z." If you could in theory succeed in such an investment the profit made is unfathambly, what a lot of globalist tend to not realize is that there is a difference between a few, and EVERYBODY
 
Lord Sovereign said:
As time goes by, I'm really becoming convinced that globalism has been a fool's errand and I'm not sure why they've bothered.
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Because even if it hurts many, globalism makes others staggeringly rich. Where would Wal-Mart be without cheap Chinese labor? Yeah, tons of small business, mom and pop outfits, and many workers in the US lost out but the owners of Wal-Mart made off like bandits, and so everybody who mattered benefited.
 
Hastur of Carcosa said:
because it can work on a smaller scale. The US does have international allies and points of interest (See, Israel, Japan, and Hong Kong) so there is this idea of "Well we got X on board, why not Y & Z." If you could in theory succeed in such an investment the profit made is unfathambly, what a lot of globalist tend to not realize is that there is a difference between a few, and EVERYBODY
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The globalists adamantly refuse to acknowledge that some nations simply will not play ball, period. They seem to think that every group of people think like they do, meaning they care only about prosperity, money, peace, etc. There are countries and peoples on this planet that have agendas that the western left is incapable of comprehending, which would throw away their own prosperity to accomplish them. Many of these countries are simply incompatible with a globalist utopian view.

I also used to think that a global government could solve a lot of issues that humanity is facing today, such as crippling poverty and hunger in some places, and ramping up space travel. But any government can be corrupted and turned into a dystopia with time, and without any other governments not under its sway as backup or external influence, a corrupted global government will probably remain dystopian forever until it crashes down. Rebellions are very romantic and all, but if a government is willing to go fully and utterly ruthless, no real effective rebellion will be able to form. Remember the great rebellions of the Soviet Union? Yeah, me neither. I wouldn't want to risk putting all of humanity's eggs into the basket of a world government like that.
 
Bear Ribs said:
Because even if it hurts many, globalism makes others staggeringly rich. Where would Wal-Mart be without cheap Chinese labor? Yeah, tons of small business, mom and pop outfits, and many workers in the US lost out but the owners of Wal-Mart made off like bandits, and so everybody who mattered benefited.
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The making out like bandits bit I can understand, but enforcing their will upon the entire globe so they can profit forever? This sounds like the height of arrogance to me. Greater and more terrible men than these people have tried to hammer the known world together and failed. If the Caesars couldn't do it, what's got into the heads of this lot?
 
Bear Ribs said:
Because even if it hurts many, globalism makes others staggeringly rich. Where would Wal-Mart be without cheap Chinese labor? Yeah, tons of small business, mom and pop outfits, and many workers in the US lost out but the owners of Wal-Mart made off like bandits, and so everybody who mattered benefited.
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There is a reason why I have become less enthused by capitalism over the years, even though I'll never touch socialism or anything like it ever again. Still considering the reasonable alternatives.

Lord Sovereign said:
The making out like bandits bit I can understand, but enforcing their will upon the entire globe so they can profit forever? This sounds like the height of arrogance to me. Greater and more terrible men than these people have tried to hammer the known world together and failed. If the Caesars couldn't do it, what's got into the heads of this lot?
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They think they are Ozymandias, the King of Kings, and that we should look upon their works and despair.
 
Lord Sovereign said:
The making out like bandits bit I can understand, but enforcing their will upon the entire globe so they can profit forever? This sounds like the height of arrogance to me. Greater and more terrible men than these people have tried to hammer the known world together and failed. If the Caesars couldn't do it, what's got into the heads of this lot?
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"I can do better by virtue of existing." Look I admit I'm somewhat internationalist myself (I do have some weeb in me after all) my question is if we want to promote international trade and interest, why not do it with people who actually like us. Why not cater to japan instead of china, why not play ball with Israel as opposed to afganastan and pakastan?
 
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Hlaalu Agent said:
There is a reason why I have become less enthused by capitalism over the years, even though I'll never touch socialism or anything like it ever again. Still considering the reasonable alternatives.
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I regard capitalism as essentially the equivalent a vicious guard dog. It's highly useful for (producing rather than protecting) your wealth but must be kept on a tight leash to keep it from harming itself or others.

Hastur of Carcosa said:
"I can do better by virtue of existing. and look I admit I'm somewhat internationalist myself (I do have some weeb in me after all) my question is if we want to promote international trade and interest, why not do it with people who actually like us. Why not cater to japan instead of china, why not play ball with Israel as opposed to afganastan and pakastan?
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Japanese and Israelis don't work for 5 dollars a day. Afghans, Chinese, and Pakistani do.
 
Bear Ribs said:
I regard capitalism as essentially the equivalent a vicious guard dog. It's highly useful for (producing rather than protecting) your wealth but must be kept on a tight leash to keep it from harming itself or others.
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Although one must beware putting on a collar that is ill-fitting, else you might make the dog more vicious or genuinely harm the poor animal. Regulation is a carefully wielded sword at best.
 
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