Leepysheepy
Miserable Fuzzy Humanoid
Yes indeed, though as a note they're not all somber and sad, some are upbeat they're just still simple.
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Yes indeed, though as a note they're not all somber and sad, some are upbeat they're just still simple.
Shipmaster Sane
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If I recall correctly the name is "Work Song", or "Industrial Folk music"
Grav
A confused leftist
Yes it is.
almostinsane
Well-known member
Kender? GET THE GREEK FIRE!
Leepysheepy
Miserable Fuzzy Humanoid
Well, killing a living thing means its spirit goes to the afterlife, killing a spirit presumably just deletes it out of reality.
Grav
A confused leftist
They have no afterlife to continue forward to except Lravitus' gut.
Shipmaster Sane
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I imagine it would be something anyone could do hypothetically.
Leepysheepy
Miserable Fuzzy Humanoid
Similarly I imagine the gods are no less capable of learning mortal magic/psychics/etc than the mortals are, unless it's something strongly against their portfolio.
Sure... but you can also bet the God of Magic pays attention when other gods start using the powers of his domain. Don't want them getting TO into it.
Shipmaster Sane
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I suppose the difference between throwing a fireball because you're magic and throwing a fireball because you're a god is somewhat academic.
Draco
Adida
Are there any specifics in place for how something becomes undead in this world? Like does the corpse/bones need to be acquired or manipulated by a Necromancer in some way, or will they just eventually rise of their own accord, like a percentile chance/guarantee that persists worldwide?
I'm working on the funeral processes of the Fowl Folk, and just wanted to make sure I was aware of all the details.
I'm working on the funeral processes of the Fowl Folk, and just wanted to make sure I was aware of all the details.
ConvexAtaraxia
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Reimu's god and avatar profile explain how the undead work!
Draco
Adida
So the Restless just sort of arise, but that still leaves a couple of questions. Like how long does it take until they rise, hours, days, months? Does it wildly vary each death? That will determine how long or elaborate funeral rituals can take or be.
Can the Restless only be those corpses that still have flesh, or are skeletons among them? (As a suggestion, it could be interesting if only those corpses with flesh could be made/become undead, as Amenti being a forge goddess they would need mechanical structures still in order to move. Since they are kind of infused with her cast off nature as a byproduct of her destruction, that could be an interesting result, and a unique take on the prevalence of undeath. Even though skeletons are my favorite spooky boys.)
If you chop up a corpse, would you get an undead head or would all of the pieces become an individual undead? How much of the body needs to be disposed of to ensure that you don't get a Restless Dead rising?
Are humans the only things that can become undead, or are all previously living creatures subject? The birds in the Parliament of Fowls are all creatures with souls and minds like humans, so is it the presence of those things that determine what becomes undead, or structure of the body?
I suspect since the corpse disposal is emphasized to ensure undead don't rise that there aren't any ghosts or other incorporeal undead at least, or at the very least the Restless Dead cannot be sprits.
If I come up with other questions, I'll either update this post or respond with those questions.
Edit 1: When the Restless Dead first began to rise, did the corpses that had been buried up to that point rise individually at random, in waves, or all at once? Did they even, or was it only creatures that died after Amenti that could become undead?
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Reimu Hakurei
Fantasy Heaven
Depends on the nature of the death, stuff like violence or attachments and emotion are an important factor. That also determines the type of dead. Notably dying peacefully in your sleep genuinely makes it unlikely for a Restless Dead to arise, but it would ultimately depend on the person. It's a good idea to do mortuary rites on anyone, but the more peaceful the death the slower you can go about it.
I imagine doing some initial rites then a proper 'funeral' later on is a necessity in certain situations where a lot of Restless Dead may arise. IE a battlefield.
Any sort of death can lead to the rise of the Restless Dead, even one where no body remains. However in that case, they would probably be incorporeal. The most important factor in this world for Undead and Necromancy is ones force of will, their magnetism in relation to the greater world.
Restless Dead are produced by 'living things'. Usually this means a soul and a body, but anything along those lines can potentially become Restless Dead. If something develops enough to be called earnestly sentient, it can probably become Restless Dead.
Disposing of a corpse doesn't guarantee it won't arise as incorporeal Restless Dead. In fact, desecration of a body probably makes a ghost far more likely than normal. The best way to deal with it is to do some rites, then a proper funeral down the line. After they get a proper funeral, a burning is perfectly fine.
It's more difficult for Restless Dead to materialize as Ghosts because that takes a lot of attachment or sheer willpower or delusion required, but conditions can change the chances(burning someones body without rites, for example). It's much easier to become Restless Dead when there's a physical object in the world you still have attachment too laying around(Like your corpse).
There are interesting, more fringe variants of that. For example, someone hyper attached to an item in life may use that as a vessel to possess after their death, if they would become Restless Dead.
Only those that died recently before her Death, since most Dead(those not strongly aligned to a God, at least) had already probably long since fallen into the Underworld to mill about aimlessly. I don't imagine it was a huge wave or anything like that; just a weird occurrence that suddenly started happening here and there. Mortuary Cults sprang up naturally to tend to that problem.
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Leepysheepy
Miserable Fuzzy Humanoid
Is this at all affected by the cultural beliefs of the deceased? IE in one nation cremation may be seen as a sign of respect while in others it's seen as horrifically insulting, would cremations make ghosts in country 2 more than in country 1?
Reimu Hakurei
Fantasy Heaven
Culture definitely has an impact so long as the Dead person genuinely believes in it, though you still want Rites. There are some things that are definitely desecration regardless of how a culture views it, but you can imagine that would be hyper vile stuff.