China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

Train Dodger said:
Based on the information I have, I think 2019-nCov has infected 500,000 to 1,000,000 people and has probably killed at least 50,000 to 100,000. That’s not an exaggeration.
  • According to someone working at Huoshenshan Hospital who leaked the true casualty figures, the CCP’s “910 dead” figure only counts cases of sudden death. There are 200 to 400ish a day who end up hauled off after expiring from pneumonia, their beds quickly refilled. That’s just one quarantine site.
  • 26% of the infected who develop pneumonia need oxygen support or an ECMO in the damn ICU. When you run out of ICU beds, guess what? Death.
  • There is a possibility the illness causes cytokine storms like Spanish Flu, where your own immune system overwhelms and kills you.
  • People have been noting elevated SO2 levels around Wuhan that are like 10x normal. They’re burning bodies over there, to the tune of thousands a day, and not telling us.
This is China’s Chernobyl. This is the end of the fucking world and the economy as we know it. Expect 5 to 10 years of tech shortages and massive economic depression, if any of us fucking survive.

Oh, and if you say any of this on SB? They’ll silence you instantly, because, y’know, how dare we doubt the CCP’s numbers? It’s nothing. It’s a nothingburger. Quarantining tens of millions of people, blocking roads, paralyzing your manufacturing and shipping, welding people up inside their apartments, and dragging people from their homes and to quarantine sites where there is human-to-human transmission is a normal way to respond to a little seasonal flu.

Fuck me.
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Can you give more info on the references you’re using and how you came to the above conclusions?
 
Bacle said:
Well, now we'll see if posting this info on FB with links to windy.com gets me suspended or the page wiped.

The CCP will have to face the music for this sooner or later. The more pressure people put on them, the more they cannot silence the leakers (now seeming to be the actual doctors in many cases) and the spread of the info from non-CCP/WHO controlled outlets, the sooner the CCP will have to admit how bad things really are.
It came very fucking close in those first few days.

If the divers hadn't been able to drain the tanks, or Legasov hadn't discovered the bubbler tanks were full in the first place, it could have made most of Eastern Europe uninhabitable for centuries.
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While that is an exaggeration, it would have caused the indefinite evacuation of 10 - 15 million citizens of the Soviet Ukraine and possibly radically altered the timing and dynamics of the breakup of the Soviet Union (if the city of Kiev has literally been relocated with millions of refugees into central Asia)....
 
Tyanna of Pentos said:
While that is an exaggeration, it would have caused the indefinite evacuation of 10 - 15 million citizens of the Soviet Ukraine and possibly radically altered the timing and dynamics of the breakup of the Soviet Union (if the city of Kiev has literally been relocated with millions of refugees into central Asia)....
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I think that might be low balling it a bit, mostly because of how far the winds could have carried the additional contaminated material and what it could have done to water/food supplies long term.

Thankfully we never had to find out.

Though right now I wish dealing with this bug was mostly a physics and heat issue like Chernobyl, because those are a lot simpler to handle than biology and virology.
 
Bacle said:
I think that might be low balling it a bit, mostly because of how far the winds could have carried the additional contaminated material and what it could have done to water/food supplies long term.

Thankfully we never had to find out.

Though right now I wish dealing with this bug was mostly a physics and heat issue like Chernobyl, because those are a lot simpler to handle than biology and virology.
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The problem is that globalisation means governments no longer care about their own citizens... If we had just shut down all international trade and air travel on January 21st, there would be no problem at all... But even the Red Chinese are re-starting internal industry because making a profit is much more important to them than lives... A nation must be an island, and must be prepared to always make decisions in the interests of its citizens, at the expense of the world.... ironically, if this were still the case and aggressive quarantines had begun promptly without care for the profits of the globalist elites, the entire world would be better off.
 
Tyanna of Pentos said:
The problem is that globalisation means governments no longer care about their own citizens... If we had just shut down all international trade and air travel on January 21st, there would be no problem at all... But even the Red Chinese are re-starting internal industry because making a profit is much more important to them than lives... A nation must be an island, and must be prepared to always make decisions in the interests of its citizens, at the expense of the world.... ironically, if this were still the case and aggressive quarantines had begun promptly without care for the profits of the globalist elites, the entire world would be better off.
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Yeah, but the problem is that theory accounts for neither geology, geography, or weather patterns. They necessitated some level of extra-regional/international trade since the people decided to settle in one location instead of doing the hunter-gatherer life, and that is a fact that no amount of philosophy can change.

Yes, it would stop something like this faster, but it also a completely unrealistic ideal to have or strive for.
 
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Im not sure if the virus is hard to contain or the people responsible for the quarantine are just absolute Dumbasses.
 
Bacle said:
Yeah, but the problem is that theory accounts for neither geology, geography, or weather patterns. They necessitated some level of extra-regional/international trade since the people decided to settle in one location instead of doing the hunter-gatherer life, and that is a fact that no amount of philosophy can change.

Yes, it would stop something like this faster, but it also a completely unrealistic ideal to have or strive for.
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I apologise. I should have been more precise with my wording. There is nothing wrong with international trade, and indeed I enjoy it very much; however, with only a few changes to our outlook as a people, we could easily and comfortably endure its total cessation for a period of three or four months every 10 - 15 years without the slightest bit of disruption or difficulty to our lives and livelihoods.
 
A mere 100 years... That is all it took to forget how easy it is to die. Man made antibiotics and in his arrogance declared himself master over disease. Millennia of lessons and death, forgotten over 3 mere generations.

Today we pay the price for our arrogance lads. Even as the Middle Kingdom falls to it's knees to the horseman of pestilence we refuse to take heed of the warnings. Greed and comfort speak too loudly, we cannot bring ourselves to deprive society of it's luxury amenities for a mere moment. The bigger they are, the harder they fall.
 
Train Dodger said:


jamanetwork.com

Clinical Characteristics of Patients With 2019 Novel Coronavirus (2019-nCoV)–Infected Pneumonia in Wuhan, China

This single-center case series describes the demographics, symptoms, laboratory and imaging findings, treatment, and clinical course of 138 patients hospitalized with 2019 novel coronavirus (2019-nCoV)–infected pneumonia (NCIP) in Wuhan, China, highlighting presumed human-to-human...
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The hugely lowballed and possibly fabricated Chinese numbers look like a straight ascending line for rate of new infected.

41% of the patients needed ventilators.

I’m currently trying to get referred to a shrink because I have had panic episodes over this.
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Over a disease which even if the leaked numbers (50,000/1.5 million) are right kills only 3.3% of those infected? Over a disease currently preferentially targeting the elderly and unwell, just like the Influenza? This is exactly why hysteria is a bad thing and shouldn't be promoted. Most of our ancestors lived perfectly well in a world with far more dangerous diseases.
 
Honestly, I think that people are overreacting. Just a tiny bit.

Not saying that this isn't serious or anything (people are dying over this.) Call it ignorance on my part, but when I hear of the current pandemic, I couldn't help but think of the H1N1 pandemic that happened when I was younger. And for how much it was hyped up in the media and worried about, it also subsequently failed to live up to that hype (with a total death rate of 0.03%. Flu Season kills more with a rate of 0.1%) And when I look on Media and News today, I'm seeing much of the same signs and the same hype.

Again, this is not to say that this isn't a problem. However, I don't think it is the apocalypse like some have been treating it as. Until then, I'm going to sit on the fence for this one and wait until I have more information.
 
Tyanna of Pentos said:
Over a disease which even if the leaked numbers (50,000/1.5 million) are right kills only 3.3% of those infected? Over a disease currently preferentially targeting the elderly and unwell, just like the Influenza? This is exactly why hysteria is a bad thing and shouldn't be promoted. Most of our ancestors lived perfectly well in a world with far more dangerous diseases.
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Our ancestors didn't have Global Travel that could move you around the planet in hours. That is the difference.
 


California's getting coofing season if it truly has spread. Instead of shit in the street it'll be people collapsing facedown on shit.
 
I don't know if the China market affects birds of prey but there's a news article blaming the virus for the lackluster sales.
www.dailymail.co.uk

Coronavirus destroyed Margot Robbie's film Birds Of Prey

Warner Bros. has blamed China's coronavirus for the box office failure of Margot Robbie's latest film, Birds of Prey.
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Better hope the crows don't pick it up.
 
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