China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[Rocinante]

The CDC Lied: The mRNA Wasn't Meant to "Stay in the Arm"

The CDC Lied: The mRNA Wasn’t Meant to “Stay in the Arm” ⋆ Brownstone Institute

Why has the CDC been lying about this for the last two years and insisting that the mRNA “stays in the arm?”

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The mRNA was always meant to leave the arm and go to the lymph nodes. The CDC either lied when they said it stayed in the arm or they didn't know what they were taking about. Which is worse?

At this point, lied is the more likely of the two.

 

[Scottty]

Or just said whatever they thought would get people to accept the vaccine, without caring whether it was true or not.

 

[LordsFire]

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We live in such different world, I don't even know where to start trying to communicate effectively.

 

[Bacle]

We live in such different world, I don't even know where to start trying to communicate effectively.

Maybe you need to try to step out of your world and into his, and stop looking at Christianity from the point of a devotee and moralist, and more from the objective historical perspective where Judeo-Christian dogma and culture is not the only valid way to live in the world, and that it is not so special as it likes to believe it is compared to other religions.

Christianity has been a very mixed bag for the world, and a lot of the 'good' it has done as an institution has been more incidental than purposeful most of the time, just like with most organized religions.

 

[Cherico]

Maybe you need to try to step out of your world and into his, and stop looking at Christianity from the point of a devotee and moralist, and more from the objective historical perspective where Judeo-Christian dogma and culture is not the only valid way to live in the world, and that it is not so special as it likes to believe it is compared to other religions.

Christianity has been a very mixed bag for the world, and a lot of the 'good' it has done as an institution has been more incidental than purposeful most of the time, just like with most organized religions.

The good of religion and tradition is that it acts as a break and limiter of bad behavior and corrupt elites.

Its better to have a mixed bag acting as a break then no breaks at all on the crazy train.

 

[Bacle]

The good of religion and tradition is that it acts as a break and limiter of bad behavior and corrupt elites.

Its better to have a mixed bag acting as a break then no breaks at all on the crazy train.

No, religion is often the tool of the elites to use to control the plebs, and bad behavior can often be justified under religious pretexted, particularly against 'non-believers'.

Religion is not some benign force in human history; it's a tool and weapon of the elite to control those beneath them in more cases than it's something that rises up from a grassroots belief, and remakes/reskins itself over and over again when the elite groups shift/change.

Like, people like Pope Francis are already trying to use religious reasoning to force people to take Wu Flu mandates, and not question the medical shit behind them.

 

[Cherico]

No, religion is often the tool of the elites to use to control the plebs, and bad behavior can often be justified under religious pretexted, particularly against 'non-believers'.

Religion is not some benign force in human history; it's a tool and weapon of the elite to control those beneath them in more cases than it's something that rises up from a grassroots belief, and remakes/reskins itself over and over again when the elite groups shift/change.

Like, people like Pope Francis are already trying to use religious reasoning to force people to take Wu Flu mandates, and not question the medical shit behind them.

look at the soviet union and communist china with out relgion they would be even worse....

 

[Bacle]

look at the soviet union and communist china with out relgion they would be even worse....

It was not lack of religion that caused the horrors of communism, it was greed and corruption and the belief that a 'new' human type could be created.

Communism sprouted from the Christian culture of Europe and the excesses of the Guilded Age on both sides of the Atlantic, even if Marx himself was never actually that famous or influential in his on life time. It wasn't till WW1, the horrors of it, and Germany unleashing Lenin against the Tsarists was a perfect storm for it to find a way to become a national ideology in Russia and in parts of Europe.

Saying lack of religion caused the horrors of communism is something that plays well with deeply religious folks in the hardcore base of the US right, but is...almost orthoginal to the actual causes and mechanism that allowed communism to flourish and kill so many.

 

[ATP]

It was not lack of religion that caused the horrors of communism, it was greed and corruption and the belief that a 'new' human type could be created.

Communism sprouted from the Christian culture of Europe and the excesses of the Guilded Age on both sides of the Atlantic, even if Marx himself was never actually that famous or influential in his on life time. It wasn't till WW1, the horrors of it, and Germany unleashing Lenin against the Tsarists was a perfect storm for it to find a way to become a national ideology in Russia and in parts of Europe.

Saying lack of religion caused the horrors of communism is something that plays well with deeply religious folks in the hardcore base of the US right, but is...almost orthoginal to the actual causes and mechanism that allowed communism to flourish and kill so many.

Nope.Religions NEVER try create Paradise on Earh,becouse we knew that it is possible only in Afterlife.That is why Inquisition killed only 10.000 people in 600 years.

When atheists want Earthly Paradise,and before undarstandt that it is not possible kill 10-50% of population - and become new ruling gentry.

Compare tsar klill list in 19th century/maybe 0,5 million/ to soviets/probably about 40 millions/
And,soviets win thanks to Trocky,who was send by Wall Street,not germans.

 

[TheRejectionist]

 

[LordsFire]

No, religion is often the tool of the elites to use to control the plebs, and bad behavior can often be justified under religious pretexted, particularly against 'non-believers'.

Religion is not some benign force in human history; it's a tool and weapon of the elite to control those beneath them in more cases than it's something that rises up from a grassroots belief, and remakes/reskins itself over and over again when the elite groups shift/change.

Like, people like Pope Francis are already trying to use religious reasoning to force people to take Wu Flu mandates, and not question the medical shit behind them.

It's funny, isn't it, how all the most brutal regimes of the last century have sought to stamp out religion, and enforce state atheism.

As long as there are religious institutions that hold power, be it hard or soft, yes, people will try to use such institutions to gain power for themselves.

This does not change how thoroughly the 20th century taught us that trying to go atheist instead is so very, very much worse.

 

[strunkenwhite]

It's funny, isn't it, how all the most brutal regimes of the last century have sought to stamp out religion, and enforce state atheism.

As long as there are religious institutions that hold power, be it hard or soft, yes, people will try to use such institutions to gain power for themselves.

This does not change how thoroughly the 20th century taught us that trying to go atheist instead is so very, very much worse.

It's hardly surprising that insane totalitarians would go to war against something that threatens to potentially, let alone actually, be a power structure they do not control. But I don't see this as a product of atheism. They would ideally, I think, want a religion under their control, as the Russian Orthodox Church increasingly seems content to be. The Nazis weren't atheist, but they sure as hell didn't tolerate any Christians letting Christianity get in the way of Nazism.

But if they can't create a religion, and can't find one willing to knuckle under, sure, they'll throw stubborn religionists on the same pyre as all the other dissidents.

 

[Bacle]

It's funny, isn't it, how all the most brutal regimes of the last century have sought to stamp out religion, and enforce state atheism.

As long as there are religious institutions that hold power, be it hard or soft, yes, people will try to use such institutions to gain power for themselves.

This does not change how thoroughly the 20th century taught us that trying to go atheist instead is so very, very much worse.

Except that, outside Mao, the most of them tried to harness religious groups/imagery and turn it to their ends, and at the end of the day, well...there is a reason the Russian Orthodox Church is also an arm of the FSB/former arm of KGB; turns out churches make good disguises for intel operations.

I mean, it was the Vatican who helped with Operation Paperclip, and who helped hide Nazi's in Argentina, and the Vatican is already kowtowing to the CCP regarding religious appointments to churches in the CCP.

Religion and religious groups are not automatically more moral or 'good', just because they profess faith in some creed or book.

 

[Scottty]

Hmm.. so the Atheists Who Want To Blame Christianity For The Evils Of Communism have shown up?

It's hardly surprising that insane totalitarians would go to war against something that threatens to potentially, let alone actually, be a power structure they do not control. But I don't see this as a product of atheism. They would ideally, I think, want a religion under their control, as the Russian Orthodox Church increasingly seems content to be. The Nazis weren't atheist, but they sure as hell didn't tolerate any Christians letting Christianity get in the way of Nazism.

But if they can't create a religion, and can't find one willing to knuckle under, sure, they'll throw stubborn religionists on the same pyre as all the other dissidents.

Big-C Communism, ie Marxism-Leninism, aka International Socialism, etc - basically is itself a religion, though one that denies that that's what it is.
It's an atheistic religion, and is openly hostile towards Christianity.

That's the thing - the Communists weren't just people who didn't believe there to be a God. They were people who were actively wanting to exterminate belief in God, especially Christian belief in God.
The deal the Soviets made with the Russian Orthodox Church was a matter of pragmatism on both sides. Lenin and co weren't insane enough to think they could make all religious belief go away just by snapping their fingers. But make no mistake, their long-term plan was a world with no Christian witness at all. Marx actually wrote a poem about wanting to chain all mankind to himself - and take them all down to Hell!
Yes, he said that. Think about it.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Hmm.. so the Atheists Who Want To Blame Christianity For The Evils Of Communism have shown up?



Big-C Communism, ie Marxism-Leninism, aka International Socialism, etc - basically is itself a religion, though one that denies that that's what it is.
It's an atheistic religion, and is openly hostile towards Christianity.

That's the thing - the Communists weren't just people who didn't believe there to be a God. They were people who were actively wanting to exterminate belief in God, especially Christian belief in God.
The deal the Soviets made with the Russian Orthodox Church was a matter of pragmatism on both sides. Lenin and co weren't insane enough to think they could make all religious belief go away just by snapping their fingers. But make no mistake, their long-term plan was a world with no Christian witness at all. Marx actually wrote a poem about wanting to chain all mankind to himself - and take them all down to Hell!
Yes, he said that. Think about it.

...and the current incarnation of this are the Econuts and all their associated groups.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Hmm.. so the Atheists Who Want To Blame Christianity For The Evils Of Communism have shown up?

No, I think so far it's just Christians who want to blame atheism for the evils of communism.

 

[Scottty]

...and the current incarnation of this are the Econuts and all their associated groups.

Well I've long thought that those guys were basically meant to be useful idiots for the Soviets. They would campaign against industry, fossil fuels, nuclear power, etc etc.... in the West.
While the Soviets would be free to go ahead and power up.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Well I've long thought that those guys were basically meant to be useful idiots for the Soviets. They would campaign against industry, fossil fuels, nuclear power, etc etc.... in the West.
While the Soviets would be free to go ahead and power up.

I don't think you're wrong.

Maybe we should look into deporting these people to the problem countries so they can directly protest the largest purveyers of the dirty energy sectors. I'm sure China and Russia would love to have them!

 

[Bacle]

I don't think you're wrong.

Maybe we should look into deporting these people to the problem countries so they can directly protest the largest purveyers of the dirty energy sectors. I'm sure China and Russia would love to have them!

China getting an influx of Westerners who assimilate into them, instead of retaining their connections to their homelands, would be a shot in the arm for all of the CCP desires.

For Russia it's more technically skilled bodies to keep the warmachine running, or at least able bodies to get the pushed into the meatgrinder that is their invasion of Ukraine.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Nope.Religions NEVER try create Paradise on Earh,becouse we knew that it is possible only in Afterlife.That is why Inquisition killed only 10.000 people in 600 years.

When atheists want Earthly Paradise,and before undarstandt that it is not possible kill 10-50% of population - and become new ruling gentry.

Except that paradisiacal thinking as an assumption of basic moral behavior is overwhelmingly a Christian idea to begin with. The Jews were shamelessly legalistic and the sundry polytheists proclaimed paradise for the exceptionally virtuous or accomplished, it's only the Christians who gave easy steps almost everyone could meet for their promised perfect afterlife. And that assumption that moral behavior begets the ideal is where Utopianism comes from.

It's funny, isn't it, how all the most brutal regimes of the last century have sought to stamp out religion, and enforce state atheism.

And if you look at the great atrocities outside that target period, they all come back to the shared matter of enforcing a narrow set of ideals or laws across a large region, like the problem is giant centralized power structures as a whole. Which puts Christianity pretty far up the shitlist for begging for some of the most extreme hierarchies, beat out pretty much only by openly theocratic Islamists for corruption bait.