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Rocinante said:
You said they could quit at any time.

They face penalties and criminal actions if they go AWOL.

They are in no way free to leave.
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You are as free as you wish to be.

I am under absolutely no God-enforced obligation to pay my mortgage. If I don't pay it, I will face consequences.

We have free will and not even God, for all his omnipotent power, can take that away from us. The right to say yes/no at any time is the only thing God can not take away from anyone.
 
bintananth said:
I never said that doing so was legal. I said that it was possible and that you would be penalized if you did.
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I mean, by that standard everything is possible except what's directly forbidden by the laws of physics. You can murder, there are just penalties. You can steal, there are just penalties. You can try to overthrow the government, there are just penalties.

Technically true but it washes out the meaning, there's no point to saying it, everybody already knows you can technically do anything so long as you're willing to get killed trying.
 
bintananth said:
You are as free as you wish to be.

I am under absolutely no God-enforced obligation to pay my mortgage. If I don't pay it, I will face consequences.

We have free will and not even God, for all his omnipotent power, can take that away from us. The right to say yes/no at any time is the only thing God can not take away from anyone.
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The god argument means nothing to me.

Free to leave means you won't have consequences for leaving.

You're free to face consequences for leaving, you aren't free to leave.

Now you, you're using a different definition of free than most people are, and it's dishonest. As @Bear Ribs said, by your logic you're free to murder people. Sure technically you're free to make that decision, but you face consequences for it, you aren't free to do it.

Soldiers are not free to just walk off of they don't like what the army is doing.
 
Rocinante said:
The god argument means nothing to me.

Free to leave means you won't have consequences for leaving.

You're free to face consequences for leaving, you aren't free to leave.

Now you, you're using a different definition of free than most people are, and it's dishonest. As @Bear Ribs said, by your logic you're free to murder people. Sure technically you're free to make that decision, but you face consequences for it, you aren't free to do it.

Soldiers are not free to just walk off of they don't like what the army is doing.
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Bear Ribs said:
I mean, by that standard everything is possible except what's directly forbidden by the laws of physics. You can murder, there are just penalties. You can steal, there are just penalties. You can try to overthrow the government, there are just penalties.

Technically true but it washes out the meaning, there's no point to saying it, everybody already knows you can technically do anything so long as you're willing to get killed trying.
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"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."

If you don't think the reaction is worth it then you don't perform the action. If you do think it's worthwhile, then you do it.

That's what I'm pointing out.
 
bintananth said:
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."

If you don't think the reaction is worth it then you don't perform the action. If you do think it's worthwhile, then you do it.

That's what I'm pointing out.
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I mean yes we know you can make decisions that have consequences but that's not what someone typically means when they say you're free to do something.

I'm free to kill someone and face those consequences.

But in common every day language, people would say I am not free to kill someone.

You're using a philosophical technicality, which doesn't apply to every day life for the vast majority of people.
 
bintananth said:
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."

If you don't think the reaction is worth it then you don't perform the action. If you do think it's worthwhile, then you do it.

That's what I'm pointing out.
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So basically your argument is that the US, Soviet Russia, and Afghanistan are all equally free. It's just that the consequences of, say, practicing your unusual religion are different, specifically US: People give you funny looks, USSR: Sent to Siberian Labor Camp, and Afghanistan: Murder by an enraged mob.

Do you realize that sane people will not generally say all three countries let you practice your religion equally reely? Any definition that does say so is a useless definition... Literally by definition. Because you can no longer define things with the meaning that stretched out and useless.
 
bintananth said:
"Every action has an equal and opposite reaction."

If you don't think the reaction is worth it then you don't perform the action. If you do think it's worthwhile, then you do it.

That's what I'm pointing out.
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You just keep digging that hole deeper, don't you? :ROFLMAO:

You do realize that you can just admit that you were wrong, right?
 
Meanwhile, apparently Biden is telling businesses to just ignore that court stay and just enforce that mandate anyway. :rolleyes:
 
Of course. Business can do whatever.

My local paper is pissing me off with how it talks about Bidens mandate. Keeps referring to it as a law and that businesses have to follow it.

Ugh... :rolleyes:
 
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