China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[Sobek]

And then, just like that, Nick Minaj went from feminist hero to alt-right



Edit: Literally the Bell Curve meme coming real

 

[The Original Sixth]

You have it the wrong way around with natural vs artificial immunity.
That's what the recently reported Israeli study has shown.

Natural Immunity Offers 13x Better Protection Against Delta Variant Than Pfizer Vaccine: Study

townhall.com

Israel finds COVID-19 vaccine booster significantly lowers infection risk

A third dose of Pfizer 's COVID-19 vaccine has significantly improved protection from infection and serious illness among people aged 60 and older in Israel compared with those who received two shots, findings published by the Health Ministry showed on Sunday.

www.reuters.com

And this shit is why "zero covid" strategies of all sorts are futile, causing economic and other forms of damage to prevent locally something that will happen in the world anyway and then spread everywhere. As there already were attempts to stop variant spread. They have all failed.

Yes, because our government refuses to impose strict border protection. They're fucking retarded.

If that kind of mutation is possible naturally, it most likely is going to happen due to the sheer scale of already existing virus spread, and few hundred million unvaccinated in western world are far less likely to incubate it than the few billions of remaining people who are either unvaccinated or vaccinated with the according to all reports much crappier Chinese, Russian and other incoming vaccine variants of questionable effectiveness.

Russia is not likely to generate something nasty. Very cold with very short summers. Tropical and subtropical regions however, are much more likely to generate this sort of thing. So China, India, Brazil, and the United States are all major danger zones for producing more and more strains. That doesn't mean they will be dangerous, but they most certainly can be.

So its basically creating a significant legal, political and cultural precedent in our societies, probably for worse, for an effect that's going to marginal few percent at most in the grand scheme of things.

Oh, I personally think they have the right idea. The government needs to just take it one extra step. Start stripping away free healthcare and benefits to those who choose to be unhealthy. Morbidly obese? No reason why any of us should have to pay for that choice. Smoke like a chimney? We shouldn't have to pay for their lung cancer. Drink like a fish? Good luck after you crash your car and break half the bones in your body. Drugs? Not our problem.

People don't want to take care of themselves? Fine, that's their God-given-choice. But then don't expect the rest of us to give hand outs to them.[/QUOTE]

 

[The One Char]

Yeah, you're authoritarian loon. Are you Australian or something?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Covid is a Cold/Flu bug. It's different because it's new.

At no point have we actually demonstrated that we can effectively vaccinate against one of these stupid bug b/c they mutate so often. A vaccine MAY give you some resistance to the altered bug.

What I really think we're seeing is just a massive combination of the drug companies LOVING the idea of forced vax...ESPECIALLY if it will result in constant 'booster' injections. Those have not really shown efficacy against Delta...though there may be some mitigation of severity.

I think the politicians are in it for the control/power and then ALL THE MONEY that comes from it (and maybe a few dozen kickbacks from the pharma'coms. It's been so heavily politicized b/c TRUMP ALL BAD, so the Left has had to embrace quackery in some cases to back up their Covid platform. I'm pretty sure there are a number on hte Right doing so as well.

 

[sir_fire]

Yeah, you're authoritarian loon. Are you Australian or something?

Don't forget clinically retarded.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Cutting off crackheads, fatties, troons and alcoholics from Medicade and violating the constitution to essentially murder millions of otherwise healthy Americans via disenfranchisement and neglect because they chose not to take a vaccine that may end up being far more lethal than the disease is not at all the same thing.

It is an absurdity to even make the comparison.

Don't forget clinically retarded.

I'm all for druggies, troons and fatties losing government Healthcare. But to compare substance abusers and self harmers to people making a conscientious medical decision based of information they have carefully studied is completely insane.

You have to be either an evil person or someone who is mentally sick to think it's a legitimate comparison.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Open VAERS

The VAERS report is from the CDC reporting adverse reactions from the vaccine

My bad, it's HHS, not the CDC.

A couple of questions.

1. Is that list including the worldwide population, or just the United States?
2. If it's the latter and it assumes that only 1% have reported "vaccine-related-injury", then wouldn't the full number be 100,000,000? Half the US vaccinated population?

 

[Sobek]

You are just repeating all the same "it's just a vaccine bro" arguments. You also sound like a honest fucking fascist. "All within the state nothing outside of the state." This level of scrutiny and control of requisites for healthcare is so absurd I cannot imagine how you expect it to be in any way acceptable to people or keep society working.

We have passed a bunch of "never gonna happen" already. You really wanna bet on it?

Assuming the vaccine is safe because of a "lack of reports" has the same energy as assuming there is nothing going on in China because the WHO said the virus isn't transmissible by humans.

 

[Marduk]

Israel finds COVID-19 vaccine booster significantly lowers infection risk

A third dose of Pfizer 's COVID-19 vaccine has significantly improved protection from infection and serious illness among people aged 60 and older in Israel compared with those who received two shots, findings published by the Health Ministry showed on Sunday.

www.reuters.com

That in no way contradicts the other study. Natural immunity still looks good even compared to boosted vaccine, even if boosted works better than two shot.

Yes, because our government refuses to impose strict border protection. They're fucking retarded.

Consider other countries. Even New Zealand, infamous for being extreme in their COVID reactions, already has delta outbreaks.

https://news.yahoo.com/zealand-covid-19-cases-rise-015038740.html

Same goes for Australia.
Even for North Korea and other dictatorships that took border protection seriously even before it was cool.
The fact that USA does such a pressure campaign despite not taking border protection seriously is just evidence of what isn't the primary motivation in this.

Russia is not likely to generate something nasty. Very cold with very short summers. Tropical and subtropical regions however, are much more likely to generate this sort of thing. So China, India, Brazil, and the United States are all major danger zones for producing more and more strains. That doesn't mean they will be dangerous, but they most certainly can be.

That's not how virus mutations work. Weather affects spread the most, which is something the virus is evolving for either way. As far as random mutations go, those are randomly spawned with sufficient number of replications, which means cases, followed by evolutionary pressures of dealing with all types of spread challenges and competing in survival with non mutant and other successful mutant variants, including but not limited to weather. In a way, vaccines are also an obstacle which the virus is evolving to counter.

Either way, its a whole lot of countries with a whole lot of population standing ready to generate the black swan variant. If it is possible for it occur naturally, chances are its going to do it there either way, regardless of how heavy handed US and EU get towards their own citizens in getting their vaccination rates to some bureaucratically convenient line of 80% or 90%.

Oh, I personally think they have the right idea. The government needs to just take it one extra step. Start stripping away free healthcare and benefits to those who choose to be unhealthy. Morbidly obese? No reason why any of us should have to pay for that choice. Smoke like a chimney? We shouldn't have to pay for their lung cancer. Drink like a fish? Good luck after you crash your car and break half the bones in your body. Drugs? Not our problem.

People don't want to take care of themselves? Fine, that's their God-given-choice. But then don't expect the rest of us to give hand outs to them.

If at all, that's a great idea against socialized healthcare. If the choice is healthcare tyranny reaching further into private lives than anything before or letting the market decide, i think many would pick the latter.

You know damn well that several of the areas of "healthcare controversies" you have listed out are more politically controversial than others, and some are also more big pharma appealing than others, so any such hypothetical heavy handed healthcare system would have, by all chance, the lines set according the political and financial needs of the above, rather than any kind of sanity or sense.

And even if by some magical means it was guaranteed to be done in a sensible, non-corrupt, and ideologically unbiased way, it would still mandate an open discussion about the implication this has for the relationship between government and citizens, and whether the government should proceed with that step anyway on that account.

Reminder of what the healthcare experts think about when thinking of such ideologically charged matters, a window into the minds of those who would be writing such rules, and what priorities would they keep in mind.

An anti-racist approach to medical care - PNHP

Share on FacebookShare on Twitter By Rupinder K. Legha, David R. Williams, Lonnie Snowden, and Jeanne Miranda Health Affairs Blog,…read more

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[The Original Sixth]

History

So you have absolutely nothing to support your belief.

Let's see here, you think people exercising their rights are being inherently selfish and should be punished for it.

And twitter exercised their right to ban people from their platform, despite their social responsibility to allow others to speak their mind. Do you think they should be punished?

You sound pretty brainwashed to me! Also the dig at info wars viewers is adorable. Turns out they're more informed than most of us who spent a decade criticizing them thought.

I really don't give two shits about infowars dude.

A potential nightmare scenario. Unless you concede this is a bioweapon that was deliberately deployed then there's no reason for it to do something those bugs have never done.

If it wasn't a bioweapon, I can bet that the Chinese are working on one now. You've all proven that so long as they can provide plausible deniability to having been the ones to release it, then they can release a non-lethal bioweapon similar to COVID and about 40% of the US's population will refuse to get a vaccine.

You're encouraging bioweapons aimed for use in economic warfare.

All of it dude, all of it.

The totality of everything. You are wrong on all accounts.

Why should your health insurance pay for something that you can easily avoid?

Do you? You seem perfectly willing to endorse the disenfranchisement of tens of millions of Americans in a retaliatory measure to castigate them for using their own judgment.

I was also willing to let 38.4 million Afghans suffer the return of the Taliban to power. I was also willing to 39.31 million Iraqis suffer under the tender mercies of ISIS. I was also willing to 17.07 million Syrians suffer the horrors of a prolonged civil war. I am fully willing to enact soul crushing economic warfare against China, which will plunge some 1.398 billion Chinese into a hellscape of poverty and oppression.

Do you think I'm at all bothered that we'd strip away health benefits from ~100 million Americans because they don't want to get a shot? I mean, if you think the government is doing something shady with fucking vaccines, why would you trust them with your healthcare? Or anything?

That's rather un-American of you and far more in line with the seditious accusations levied against the more right leaning userbase by the prior staff during their Jan 6th chimp out than anything was actually said by anyone.

No, it's very American of me. It's very Yankee-American.

Oh Jesus it's at a million and a half now? I thought it was still in the tens of thousands for reports.

Deathtolls up too!

Yeah we need army doctors shoving this in our arms Ns the loss of our rights and freedoms and to be murdered by hospital administrators over this. Totally.

Assuming this is for America only? And that the data is reliable? That's a death rate of .02%, whereas if it's world-wide .0015%

Even if you include all the vaccine related injuries, in the US it would be about 1.5% and if it's world-wide, 0.07%.

This is your argument for NOT getting a vaccine shot?

 

[sir_fire]

I just have one question for you

Are you being paid to be an idiot?

 

[Sobek]

So you have absolutely nothing to support your belief.

Indeed, when have governments and big business ever abused tradgedy for profit and power?

And twitter exercised their right to ban people from their platform, despite their social responsibility to allow others to speak their mind. Do you think they should be punished?

Yes. Especially when they get mad Nigeria bans them on that argument, or let Taliban people stay on.

If it wasn't a bioweapon, I can bet that the Chinese are working on one now. You've all proven that so long as they can provide plausible deniability to having been the ones to release it, then they can release a non-lethal bioweapon similar to COVID and about 40% of the US's population will refuse to get a vaccine.

You're encouraging bioweapons aimed for use in economic warfare.

You make fun of one bioweapon conspiracy theory by pushing another to try and defend your point. Mental.

Why should your health insurance pay for something that you can easily avoid?

Because Health Insurance is meant to pay for your needs. It's how the contract works. They don't take control of your life you retard. You don't just surrender free will.

I was also willing to let 38.4 million Afghans suffer the return of the Taliban to power. I was also willing to 39.31 million Iraqis suffer under the tender mercies of ISIS. I was also willing to 17.07 million Syrians suffer the horrors of a prolonged civil war. I am fully willing to enact soul crushing economic warfare against China, which will plunge some 1.398 billion Chinese into a hellscape of poverty and oppression.

Do you think I'm at all bothered that we'd strip away health benefits from ~100 million Americans because they don't want to get a shot? I mean, if you think the government is doing something shady with fucking vaccines, why would you trust them with your healthcare? Or anything?

No, it's very American of me. It's very Yankee-American.

Jesus fuck. As someone who openly advocates for the glassing of Beijing by nuclear fire let me tell you: You sound insane. You have crossed some lines here. You are openly declaring you see your fellow citizens no different to fucking Xi Jinping and his party cronies. That is some intense fucking "with me or against me" mentality.

Assuming this is for America only? And that the data is reliable? That's a death rate of .02%, whereas if it's world-wide .0015%

Even if you include all the vaccine related injuries, in the US it would be about 1.5% and if it's world-wide, 0.07%.

This is your argument for NOT getting a vaccine shot?

New argument: We don't want the vaccine because it's people like YOU demanding we get it. And if you go that insane with power and demands of compliance over a vaccine "for our own safety" Christ help us when you decide we are the enemy for some reason.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

So you have absolutely nothing to support your belief.

Just all of recorded human history...you dishonest butcher

[

]And twitter exercised their right to ban people from their platform, despite their social responsibility to allow others to speak their mind. Do you think they should be punished?

Yes I do, for supporting the overthrow of the US Governent and the installation of a Vichy regime.

For profiting off of and encouraging child rape, for running pedo acceptance and self harm hashtags.

Yes


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really don't give two shits about infowars dude.

Nor do I yet most people get their advice from there now and it's informing policy.

Oh and sometimes they're right.


[

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If it wasn't a bioweapon, I can bet that the Chinese are working on one now. You've all proven that so long as they can provide plausible deniability to having been the ones to release it, then they can release a non-lethal bioweapon similar to COVID and about 40% of the US's population will refuse to get a vaccine

The vaccine created by and championed by the people who helped create the virus itself?

You're encouraging bioweapons aimed for use in economic warfare.

So its what @sir_fire Says. You aren't evil just mentally retarded.

Why should your health insurance pay for something that you can easily avoid?

Because its illegal to use any form of coercion to force people to take unreliable and experimental medicine genius.

It's unconstitutional and it's a violation of international law as well.


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was also willing to let 38.4 million Afghans suffer the return of the Taliban to power. I was also willing to 39.31 million Iraqis suffer under the tender mercies of ISIS. I was also willing to 17.07 million Syrians suffer the horrors of a prolonged civil war. I am fully willing to enact soul crushing economic warfare against China, which will plunge some 1.398 billion Chinese into a hellscape of poverty and oppression.

Wait whose flexing now? None of this has anything to do with American citizens.

Unless you're saying American citizens are no different than foreigners? In which case....looool

Do you think I'm at all bothered that we'd strip away health benefits from ~100 million Americans because they don't want to get a shot? I mean, if you think the government is doing something shady with fucking vaccines, why would you trust them with your healthcare? Or anything?

I expected you to be loyal if you were an American.

I guess that was asking to much. Either you're not American in which case you've no right to dictate anything to us or you're a blood traitor.


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No, it's very American of me. It's very Yankee-American.

If your excuse is "well Lincoln, FDR and LBJ raped the Republic so it's okay" I uhh...well it's more proof that the mentality of the New England region is a threat to the Repiblic I guess.

This is your argument for NOT getting a vaccine shot?

No, my argument is that mandating vaccines by any means is a violation of the constitution and that doing it for behavioral engineering reasons goes into terrorism and treason.

New argument: We don't want the vaccine because it's people like YOU demanding we get it. And if you go that insane with power and demands of compliance over a vaccine "for our own safety" Christ help us when you decide we are the enemy for some reason.

He made that abundantly clear I think.

 

[The Original Sixth]

That in no way contradicts the other study. Natural immunity still looks good even compared to boosted vaccine, even if boosted works better than two shot.

Your study isn't at all conclusive.

Protection against Delta: Comparing vaccines and natural immunity

Researchers in Israel have compared the relatively long-term protection of natural immunity with that acquired from a COVID-19 vaccine.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Nor does anyone seem to recommend that this is a good reason not to get the vaccinations.

Consider other countries. Even New Zealand, infamous for being extreme in their COVID reactions, already has delta outbreaks.

https://news.yahoo.com/zealand-covid-19-cases-rise-015038740.html

Same goes for Australia.
Even for North Korea and other dictatorships that took border protection seriously even before it was cool.
The fact that USA does such a pressure campaign despite not taking border protection seriously is just evidence of what isn't the primary motivation in this.

North Korea is a joke.

And no, if a virus is getting in through our water borders, then you are not doing a good job in imposing strong border controls.

That's not how virus mutations work. Weather affects spread the most, which is something the virus is evolving for either way. As far as random mutations go, those are randomly spawned with sufficient number of replications, which means cases, followed by evolutionary pressures of dealing with all types of spread challenges and competing in survival with non mutant and other successful mutant variants, including but not limited to weather. In a way, vaccines are also an obstacle which the virus is evolving to counter.

Either way, its a whole lot of countries with a whole lot of population standing ready to generate the black swan variant. If it is possible for it occur naturally, chances are its going to do it there either way, regardless of how heavy handed US and EU get towards their own citizens in getting their vaccination rates to some bureaucratically convenient line of 80% or 90%.

Except you're providing an environment that seems to make the virus deadlier, as was the case in India and Brazil.

If at all, that's a great idea against socialized healthcare. If the choice is healthcare tyranny reaching further into private lives than anything before or letting the market decide, i think many would pick the latter.

Most of the things being taken away in those proposed Biden orders is taking away public healthcare.

You know damn well that several of the areas of "healthcare controversies" you have listed out are more politically controversial than others, and some are also more big pharma appealing than others, so any such hypothetical heavy handed healthcare system would have, by all chance, the lines set according the political and financial needs of the above, rather than any kind of sanity or sense.

And even if by some magical means it was guaranteed to be done in a sensible, non-corrupt, and ideologically unbiased way, it would still mandate an open discussion about the implication this has for the relationship between government and citizens, and whether the government should proceed with that step anyway on that account.

Are they? Because I see sacks of shit of every color exploiting food stamps, welfare, AND medical assistance so they can sit on their fat, worthless asses and pop pills all day. You think I give two shits if they lose their healthcare because they won't get vaccinated? Fuck that and fuck them. Most of my friends and family had to work through this pandemic, myself included. I didn't run to Papa Government the moment I had the chance to get free cash.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Just all of recorded human history...you dishonest butcher

...Like the those plagues that wiped out Europe's population? Are you mental?

Yes I do, for supporting the overthrow of the US Governent and the installation of a Vichy regime.

For profiting off of and encouraging child rape, for running pedo acceptance and self harm hashtags.

We're not talking about any other alleged crimes. We're talking about their social crimes. Because those companies have every right to ban people they don't like from their platform. Those internet providers have every right to cut off access they don't like. And those credit card companies have the right to stop payments through their networks. For pretty much any reason at all.

And yet you screamed and stamped your feet, each and every time. What happened to the free market? Do you not expect any sort of social obligation to society that values free and honest speech?

Nor do I yet most people get their advice from there now and it's informing policy.

Oh and sometimes they're right.

Again, what does that have to do with...anything? You can get two uneducated dipshits with no idea what they're doing saying "This will get better" or "This will get worse" and one will end up being right.

The vaccine created by and championed by the people who helped create the virus itself?

...You're accusing Moderna, Phizer, and J&J of helping to of created the Wuhan virus?

They're all American multinationals. The closest is J&J's vaccine, the company which produced it being headquartered in Belgium.

So its what @sir_fire Says. You aren't evil just mentally retarded.

Who gives a shit what sir_fire thinks? He's sitting on the sidelines screaming insults like a little bitch.

Because its illegal to use any form of coercion to force people to take unreliable and experimental medicine genius.

It's unconstitutional and it's a violation of international law as well.

How is it unreliable? Almost 200 million Americans have gotten the shot and the best you jokers can come up with was a site that claims 1.5 million in "vaccine injuries". If that's JUST the USA, then we're talking about an injury rate at around 1.5%. Your chances of absolutely nothing bad happening to you is 97.5%.

Wait whose flexing now? None of this has anything to do with American citizens.

Unless you're saying American citizens are no different than foreigners? In which case....looool

Did I say that? No. I said that after all that, do you think I'm going to be bothered about forcing a few people to get a shot so harmless, that your chances of something bad happening is 1.5% or less? Yeah, I'm not that bothered. And we don't even know if everything on that list will come out. That's a leek with no reliability whatsoever.

I expected you to be loyal if you were an American.

I expected my fellow Americans wouldn't be such pathetic bitches that they couldn't take a risk of dying is at best, .02%.

I guess that was asking to much. Either you're not American in which case you've no right to dictate anything to us or you're a blood traitor.

Yes, that's right, I'm the traitor.

I took the 1.5% risk for myself and the rest of the country without batting an eye.

You on the other hand, think you're profoundly brave.

If yiur excuse is "well Lincoln, FDR and LBJ raped the Republic so it's okay" I uhh...well it's more proof that the mentality of the New England region is a threat to the Repiblic I guess.

How did Lincoln rape the country by freeing the slaves?

No, my argument is that mandating vaccines by any means is a violation of the constitution and that doing it for behavioral engineering reasons goes into terrorism and treason.

But your risk of injury is 1.5%. At worst. If that site is using globally sourced data, then chance of injury is .07%.

Why is this the hill you want to die on?

 

[Sobek]

You have moved the goalpost back to "but the vaxx is safe!" ignoring that the point is it doesn't look useful and we don't want it in our bodies because of that. Especially against such a joke of a virus.

Also, he mentions Lincoln raped the Republic because of the suspension of Habeas Corpus he had during the Civil War. Really bad thing, was worth in the end but really bad.

 

[Marduk]

Your study isn't at all conclusive.

Protection against Delta: Comparing vaccines and natural immunity

Researchers in Israel have compared the relatively long-term protection of natural immunity with that acquired from a COVID-19 vaccine.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Nor does anyone seem to recommend that this is a good reason not to get the vaccinations.

Ultimately we will know for absolutely sure whether there are good reasons to not get the vaccine in 20-30 years. No sooner, no later.
What i was talking about is talking down natural immunity apparently is not based in science.

North Korea is a joke.

And no, if a virus is getting in through our water borders, then you are not doing a good job in imposing strong border controls.

If it was one country, you would have a had a good point. If it was several countries, you would still have a good point. But apparently no country in the whole fucking world, rich or poor, democratic or authoritarian, can muster up enough border controls to stop the delta variant. Conclusion being, its either ridiculously hard or downright impossible. In turn raising a huge question of whether trying is worth the effort.

Except you're providing an environment that seems to make the virus deadlier, as was the case in India and Brazil.

How does that create an environment with an evolutionary pressure for making the virus deadlier?
If anything, "leaky" vaccines create more pressure for mutations. Which are all of them. They are killing the base strains pretty effectively, but if some random mutation happens to be changed in such a way that it can survive and multiply in a vaccinated host, then it gains a massive advantage over all others, and eventually becomes the dominant variant. AKA the story of delta. Still, there is no significant increase in lethality. Only in spread and viral loads. Because that's what the mutation was naturally selected for.

Most of the things being taken away in those proposed Biden orders is taking away public healthcare.

Most? I'd suggest checking either your eyesight or your math skills.
Out of the 7 points in the greentext, only 2 relate to COVID based healthcare, even then only partially, the rest being restrictions on employment, education, travel, social welfare, and a fucking open punitive tax.

Are they? Because I see sacks of shit of every color exploiting food stamps, welfare, AND medical assistance so they can sit on their fat, worthless asses and pop pills all day. You think I give two shits if they lose their healthcare because they won't get vaccinated? Fuck that and fuck them. Most of my friends and family had to work through this pandemic, myself included. I didn't run to Papa Government the moment I had the chance to get free cash.

Which is exactly why they won't be the ones targeted. They are allowed to have such generous public benefits of all sorts in the first place because it is politically correct for that to be the case. Democrats and their friends most certainly are not libertarians tied by overly generous socialist welfare, looking for any excuse to push through libertarian reforms to healthcare by hook or by crook.
The things that the experts would choose to target would be obviously the politically incorrect ones. Like gun ownership.

What If We Treated Gun Violence Like A Public Health Crisis?

The law restricts a major government public health agency's research into gun violence, which kills or injures more people than many other infectious diseases.

www.npr.org

Even if targeting cost generators like smoking or obesity, there would still have to be massive exceptions for... politically protected groups, somewhat reducing the value of this intervention, while pursuing obvious weaponization of it against the "wrong" kinds of groups.

Overall, your idea may have some, even if merely debatable, merits, in a place with relatively competent medical expert class that's not being subverted by a radical and revolutionary ideology on top of massive financial conflicts of interest and appetite for political power, like Japan or Russian, but in USA, it would be an equivalent to handing an axe to a masked psycho just because he asked nicely and promised to use it to only chop firewood and most certainly not your limbs.

 

[sir_fire]

...Like the those plagues that wiped out Europe's population? Are you mental?

The black death and spanish flu are coronaviruses like Covid? You retard.

How did Lincoln rape the country by freeing the slaves?

By freeing them and doing nothing else, duh. How would you react if all of a sudden there were a million-plus homeless, jobless people? Probably really stupidly and in a short-sighted manner.

Who gives a shit what sir_fire thinks? He's sitting on the sidelines screaming insults like a little bitch.

Say it straight to me then retard.

I expected my fellow Americans wouldn't be such pathetic bitches that they couldn't take a risk of dying is at best, .02%.

But that's the death rate for the virus itself you retard.

We're not talking about any other alleged crimes. We're talking about their social crimes. Because those companies have every right to ban people they don't like from their platform. Those internet providers have every right to cut off access they don't like. And those credit card companies have the right to stop payments through their networks. For pretty much any reason at all.

And yet you screamed and stamped your feet, each and every time. What happened to the free market? Do you not expect any sort of social obligation to society that values free and honest speech?

You mean the same society that shuns people for not taking the vaccine and not looking the other way whenever a member of the LGBT or other protected classes does criminal acts? And the very same corporations who silence and disenfranchise those very same people who refuse to get in with the program? Keep your crummy society and keep licking the boots of your corporate overlords retard, but don't tout your slavery as a virtue.

North Korea is a joke.

And no, if a virus is getting in through our water borders, then you are not doing a good job in imposing strong border controls.

And yet North Korea is harder to get into than places like Australia and New Zealand? Despite them having the harshest lockdown and vaccine enforcement policies, the kind that you'd soymouth over and say is a good example of how to handle this terrible, horrible and lethal virus that only kills the severely unhealthy and old and has a 2% fatality rate.

Are they? Because I see sacks of shit of every color exploiting food stamps, welfare, AND medical assistance so they can sit on their fat, worthless asses and pop pills all day. You think I give two shits if they lose their healthcare because they won't get vaccinated? Fuck that and fuck them. Most of my friends and family had to work through this pandemic, myself included. I didn't run to Papa Government the moment I had the chance to get free cash.

"I'll take something that didn't happen for $800 Alex!"

Except you're providing an environment that seems to make the virus deadlier, as was the case in India and Brazil.

Did you actually check the deaths there or are you just basing this solely off of the number of infected like the retard that you are?

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

...Like the those plagues that wiped out Europe's population? Are you mental?

Ah yes, bubonic plague, leprosy, syphilis (A new world plague that reached europe) and hemorrhagic fevers are totally comparable to coronaviruses.

The only one mental here is you.

We're not talking about any other alleged crimes. We're talking about their social crimes. Because those companies have every right to ban people they don't like from their platform. Those internet providers have every right to cut off access they don't like. And those credit card companies have the right to stop payments through their networks. For pretty much any reason at all.

Not when its done to aid and abet terrorism, human trafficking or to interfere in the democratic process in multiple countries on multiple continents it doesn't

First amendment doesn't protect against that. And they aren't alleged crimes by the way.

And yet you screamed and stamped your feet, each and every time. What happened to the free market? Do you not expect any sort of social obligation to society that values free and honest speech?

Election interference and promoting pedophilia and the #SHR hashtag are totally examples of free and honest speech.

Working in tandem with the government as instruments of the Federal Government totally doesn't nullify the 1A protections they abuse. No sireee

Again, what does that have to do with...anything? You can get two uneducated dipshits with no idea what they're doing saying "This will get better" or "This will get worse" and one will end up being right.

Everything, millions of Americans are talking Nuremberg 2.0 trials and public hangings and if you think that kind of rage shouldn't inform domestic policy I've no idea what planet you live on.

Biden has to capitulate to it, or something extremely insane is likely going to happen down the line. You don't get to put 80 million Americans on a prescription list and not suffer a shitstorm as a result.

...You're accusing Moderna, Phizer, and J&J of helping to of created the Wuhan virus?

No I'm accusing Anthony Fauci and numerous federal employees who also do research for those companies and take consulting fees from said companies and of conspiring with the Chinese Government.

I'm saying that it looks like the Gates foundation. The CDC, the FDA and numerous NGOs are guilty of creating and then unleashing a bioweapon on the world in a panicked attempt to stop the growing right wing nationalist movements across the world.

I'm saying it looks like those companies of knowingly profiteering off of that and perpetrating an assault on the Republic for short term gain

They're all American multinationals. The closest is J&J's vaccine, the company which produced it being headquartered in Belgium

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And they're all traitors and should be classified as terrorist organizations. Their assets seized and liquidated and sold off to American start ups and their executives captured and subjected to the same trials and detentions the 9-11 architects were.

Who gives a shit what sir_fire thinks? He's sitting on the sidelines screaming insults like a little bitch

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Right coming from the brain addled cuck calling for an American holocaust.

Do you have HIv? Or diabetes? Or are you otherwise immunocompromised? Is that informing your panicked push for mass murder and the destruction of the constitution?

Are you afraid of the sniffles?

How is it unreliable? Almost 200 million Americans have gotten the shot and the best you jokers can come up with was a site that claims 1.5 million in "vaccine injuries". If that's JUST the USA, then we're talking about an injury rate at around 1.5%. Your chances of absolutely nothing bad happening to you is 97.5%

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It has only been 10 months you dumbass. We won't know the effects for this for years.

]Did I say that? No. I said that after all that, do you think I'm going to be bothered about forcing a few people to get a shot so harmless, that your chances of something bad happening is 1.5% or less? Yeah, I'm not that bothered. And we don't even know if everything on that list will come out. That's a leek with no reliability whatsoever

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Okay traitor

I expected my fellow Americans wouldn't be such pathetic bitches that they couldn't take a risk of dying is at best, .02%.

They did, they chose to risk a disease with a 99.5 percent chance of survival if you aren't Asian, aids riddled, old or fat or a troon. Rather than be subjected to illegal social engineering and an un-American attempt to force them to take expiremental medicine.

Yes, that's right, I'm the traitor.

I took the 1.5% risk for myself and the rest of the country without batting an eye

No. You submitted to the tyrants attempting to destroy America, like a coward.

You on the other hand, think you're profoundly brave.

My sons won't be born retarded. Low T having or deformed, nor will I get prions disease.

This has nothing to do with courage and everything to do with survival and loyalty.

How did Lincoln rape the country by freeing the slaves?

That was such a lame attempt to frame the narrative I won't even bother answering.

Don't be a dishonest shitheel General Brutus.

But your risk of injury is 1.5%. At worst. If that site is using globally sourced data, then chance of injury is .07%.

Why is this the hill you want to die on?

John B Calhoun and the behavioral sink Project.

That's why.

This is about social engineering not medicine.

You have moved the goalpost back to "but the vaxx is safe!" ignoring that the point is it doesn't look useful and we don't want it in our bodies because of that. Especially against such a joke of a virus.

Also, he mentions Lincoln raped the Republic because of the suspension of Habeas Corpus he had during the Civil War. Really bad thing, was worth in the end but really bad.

He also had the Pinkertons murder journalists who criticized him and did the first attempt at illegal wiretapping in history.

Pero por supuesto este imbécil repugnante tenían que implicar que el comentario fue algo racista.

Mentiroso de mierda.

 

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You have moved the goalpost back to "but the vaxx is safe!" ignoring that the point is it doesn't look useful and we don't want it in our bodies because of that. Especially against such a joke of a virus.

It is useful.

Delta variant vaccinated vs. unvaccinated: This new CDC chart shows how well COVID-19 vaccines work

Fully vaccinated individuals have a much greater chance of not being impacted by COVID-19, whether that impact is via infection, hospitalization, or death.

www.fastcompany.com

Whether or not natural immunity aids you in fighting off a variant or later strains/infections, it doesn't change the fact that you will benefit from getting it. Even if we dismiss the argument of natural immunity vs vaccines in favor of natural immunity, that still puts people in the hospital, it can still overwhelm hospital capacity, and it can lead to more deaths.

And thus far, the argument of it being dangerous is pathetic. I can't even get an answer on whether or not the one site linked to me is only American sourced or globally sourced.

Also, he mentions Lincoln raped the Republic because of the suspension of Habeas Corpus he had during the Civil War. Really bad thing, was worth in the end but really bad.

No, it wasn't a bad thing. It was the right thing to do.