China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[Zachowon]

Bacle.
Calm the fuck down.
I am pretty sure people have been getting pregnant at the normal rate with or without vax

 

[Bacle]

Bacle.
Calm the fuck down.
I am pretty sure people have been getting pregnant at the normal rate with or without vax

Getting pregnant, and carrying said pregnancy to term without complications, are too very different things.

 

[Zachowon]

Getting pregnant, and carrying said pregnancy to term without complications, are too very different things.

Look.
I don't beilive any fuxking thing

 

[Bacle]

Look.
I don't beilive any fuxking thing

Then just remember this: even the FDA approval came with a caveat about 'emergency use', because the required pregnancy studies for 'full' approval won't be done till 2023/2025.

So to people saying there are no long term side-effects are ignoring that studies looking for side-effects are currently ongoing and are multiyear in length.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Then just remember this: even the FDA approval came with a caveat about 'emergency use', because the required pregnancy studies for 'full' approval won't be done till 2023/2025.

So to people saying there are no long term side-effects are ignoring that studies looking for side-effects are currently ongoing and are multiyear in length.

I do love that the same people who believe that the government is out to fuck us insist that the FDA needs more time to test the vaccine.

 

[Bacle]

I do love that the same people who believe that the government is out to fuck us insist that the FDA needs more time to test the vaccine.

It's not about insisting the FDA needs more time, or trusting the gov, it's about pointing out some studies looking for long term effects actually require multiple years to complete, and are far from done now.

So saying their are 'no long term effects' is meaningless, and frankly damn near gaslighting, because there hasn't actually been time for the studies meant to look at that stuff to actually finish.

 

[The Original Sixth]

It's not about insisting the FDA needs more time, or trusting the gov, it's about pointing out some studies looking for long term effects actually require multiple years to complete, and are far from done now.

So saying their are 'no long term effects' is meaningless, and frankly damn near gaslighting, because there hasn't actually been time for the studies meant to look at that stuff to actually finish.

Do you have any actual reason to believe that there will be significant long term side effects that will haunt us down the road? Because this just sounds like a load of shit you and others tell yourselves to justify not wanting to get a shout. Either because you piss yourself at the thought of a needle or to feel like a big tough rebel.

 

[Bacle]

Do you have any actual reason to believe that there will be significant long term side effects that will haunt us down the road?

Yes, yes I do.

I could drag up all the links from this thread and others that have been posted, I could dig through the twitter/FB feeds of dozens of people to get things that didn't get posted here, I could go get recording of all the WH pressers under Trump (more like Pence), make a spread sheet of the lies that have come out of the mouths of everyone from Fauci to to Cuomo to the edits to the WHO site that happened early on, and I could spend days doing it, and it still WOULDN'T CONVINCE YOU.

I mean, you still think Biden won legitly, so of course you already buy a lot of lies that the elites and DC powers have been pushing.

Because this just sounds like a load of shit you and others tell yourselves to justify not wanting to get a shout. Either because you piss yourself at the thought of a needle or to feel like a big tough rebel.

I'm not scared of needles; I'm scared of incompetent, negligent, or malicious medical practitioners and corporation, their lobbiests in DC, and their power on Wall Street.

I used to literally sit around a table trimming weed with people of nearly every political persuasion in the world, who would bring up things I dismissed as 'conspiracy theories, do what you think you are doing now. And arguing with potheads in a 9-5 workplace setting and actually convincing them certain 'conspiracy theories' are just physically impossible, while admitting some of them (the Clinton's had a very...interesting rep among grey/former black market folks, one which has been born out after 2016 and the Epstein stuff), is not that easy, partilularly when some are twice your age and you cannot just stop to grab or research sources.

I get it, I've been where you are before, heck I bought the 15/45 days to slow the spread shit till the George Floyd stuff happened and broke the mask, and the lies just started piling up.

As well...the fact is on SB, way, way back when I first joined (couldn't find it in the search, might have been nuked, otherwise I'd post a link), I was pretty far left myself, and made a thread where I asked if the Phoenix Group in Rainbow Six, which wanted to use a modified, two-stage ebola virus to wipe out about 90% of Earth's population, was actually in the wrong.

This was before my eyes had been opened, the blinders taken off, and I saw through the lies of the Left.

That is a big reason I can imagine pharma groups pulling something like that, because I've been at the place in a more ignorant time of my life, of asking if them doing something like that was actually wrong to do.

 

[Vaermina]

I did find this article from earlier in the year talking about illeffects from being near the vaxxed.

It’s official from Pfizer’s own documents: Stay away from the vaxxed! | SOTN: Alternative News, Analysis & Commentary

That's what's called a standard Clinical Trial boilerplate to cover legal basis.

Not sure why the person who made that article is trying to claim it's an admittance that those things will happen.

 

[Zachowon]

That's what's called a standard Clinical Trial boilerplate to cover legal basis.

Not sure why the person who made that article is trying to claim it's an admittance that those things will happen.

Idk man.
I honestly do not care. I'm just tired of all this COVID shit. People seem to latch onto either side and don't take a middle ground.
I mean, my whole section here in the Army did, but that is because we don't trust the government, and we work for them

 

[The Original Sixth]

Yes, yes I do.

I could drag up all the links from this thread and others that have been posted, I could dig through the twitter/FB feeds of dozens of people to get things that didn't get posted here, I could go get recording of all the WH pressers under Trump (more like Pence), make a spread sheet of the lies that have come out of the mouths of everyone from Fauci to to Cuomo to the edits to the WHO site that happened early on, and I could spend days doing it, and it still WOULDN'T CONVINCE YOU.

I don't trust the WHO. The WHO was influenced and easily persuaded by the Chinese government early in the disaster. Had they one ounce of brain or courage, we might have averted this disaster. They did not. And therefore our civil service and political leaders dismissed the danger. And therefore we got fucked over because of it. And like good little lemmings, the Republican voter base decided that after they had proven their point that this was something that was dangerous, they immediately opposed the means of fighting it.

I mean, you still think Biden won legitly, so of course you already buy a lot of lies that the elites and DC powers have been pushing.

Biden can win legitimately even if he cheated. Because those votes ARE CONFIRMED in every state. By Republican representatives, now less. I absolutely believe that the Democrats were underhanded. Some of them may have even cheated in certain states. But there is no definitive proof that they outright cheated. All I can say, given the evidence, is that they took advantage of the pandemic to allow for vote-in-mail, then closed ranks on all levels to prevent them from being challenged. Aided and abetted by business and national security Republicans.

That's why Republicans across the country are introducing legislation to prevent it from ever happening again. As seen in Texas, Arizona, Wisconsin, ect. It's why the Democrats are trying to ram a counter-bill through Congress with (thus far) little success.

I'm not scared of needles; I'm scared of incompetent, negligent, or malicious medical practitioners and corporation, their lobbiests in DC, and their power on Wall Street.

So your argument is that three different competing companies each produced poison for the US public, as paid for by the Trump administration, and no one from the professionals working on it, to medical experts, to the US government itself at any point tried to stop it?

Do you realize how absurd you sound?

I used to literally sit around a table trimming weed with people of nearly every political persuasion in the world, who would bring up things I dismissed as 'conspiracy theories, do what you think you are doing now.

Because it is a conspiracy theory. Not only is what you're suggesting incredibly difficult to pull off, but it would be supported by the same liberals--who I remind you, are massively obsessed with compassion--to invert their moral compass in order to push those vaccines. And worse, it would grossly affect their own group the hardest, because liberals are the ones who are most intent on getting that vaccine.

What is to be gained by pushing this from liberals?

And arguing with potheads in a 9-5 workplace setting and actually convincing them certain 'conspiracy theories' are just physically impossible, while admitting some of them (the Clinton's had a very...interesting rep among grey/former black market folks, one which has been born out after 2016 and the Epstein stuff), is not that easy, partilularly when some are twice your age and you cannot just stop to grab or research sources.

Well, I'm glad you were able to persuade dipshits who smoke pot...so what?

I get it, I've been where you are before, heck I bought the 15/45 days to slow the spread shit till the George Floyd stuff happened and broke the mask, and the lies just started piling up.

You don't get it, do you?

Liberals supported them going out and protesting because they thought it was the most compassionate thing to do. Yes, even if it meant spreading the virus. Because they see these social ills as the heart of evil in the US. And the fact that it benefitted them politically was an additional motivation. Their weak defense that everyone was wearing a mask and outside and social distancing was a pathetic justification.

That is a big reason I can imagine pharma groups pulling something like that, because I've been at the place in a more ignorant time of my life, of asking if them doing something like that was actually wrong to do.

That only works if the liberals in charge actually believe that it's the right thing to do. The problem with that is, this is a liberal moral question. It's not a question of moral reasoning, but of being misguided and method. The thing that drives Thanos in the movies is a Liberal moral matrix. Because the writers are so entrenched in that thinking, they cannot imagine how anyone who believes themselves to be moral could think otherwise.

It does not mean that you will get thousands and tens of thousands of liberals in high corporate/government positions who will look at Thanos and say "Thanos was right". In fact, the mere existence of the Marvel movies would encourage those same people to say "No, he wasn't".

 

[Bacle]

I don't trust the WHO. The WHO was influenced and easily persuaded by the Chinese government early in the disaster. Had they one ounce of brain or courage, we might have averted this disaster. They did not. And therefore our civil service and political leaders dismissed the danger. And therefore we got fucked over because of it. And like good little lemmings, the Republican voter base decided that after they had proven their point that this was something that was dangerous, they immediately opposed the means of fighting it.

It turning out the virus was a lot less dangerous to non-immuno compromised, than advertised, and the early vids could be partly because of China's shit air quality, along with the fact that people were successful using HCQ as a therapeutic...and the way so many civil liberties and rights basically vanishing in the span of a few weeks.

No amount of 'safety' is worth abridging the Constitution like we have, and THAT is why the GOP base is resisting the mandates and such; the goal posts have moved too many times for most of them to believe it will ever end via compliance with health mandates and laws.

We need to learn to ignore the virus, not continue to let it dominate our lives and abridge our freedoms.

So your argument is that three different competing companies each produced poison for the US public, as paid for by the Trump administration, and no one from the professionals working on it, to medical experts, to the US government itself at any point tried to stop it?

Do you realize how absurd you sound?

We live in a clown world, and our leaders are the ring masters; nothing is 'too absurd' sounding anymore, as long as it is physically possible.

I think Trump wanted a boost in polling and PR from fast tracking the vax, no matter what side-effects came with it. He never mentions the side-effects in his speechs, almost seeming to try to ignore their existence.

There is a reason I want DeSantis, not Trump, in 2024; I no longer trust Trump or his campaign to not just be in it for the money and themselves. Any help to America is because that's what Trump has to do to hold up the image of himself he's crafted now.

Because it is a conspiracy theory. Not only is what you're suggesting incredibly difficult to pull off, but it would be supported by the same liberals--who I remind you, are massively obsessed with compassion--to invert their moral compass in order to push those vaccines. And worse, it would grossly affect their own group the hardest, because liberals are the ones who are most intent on getting that vaccine.

What is to be gained by pushing this from liberals?

You don't get it, do you?

Liberals supported them going out and protesting because they thought it was the most compassionate thing to do. Yes, even if it meant spreading the virus. Because they see these social ills as the heart of evil in the US. And the fact that it benefitted them politically was an additional motivation. Their weak defense that everyone was wearing a mask and outside and social distancing was a pathetic justification.

That only works if the liberals in charge actually believe that it's the right thing to do. The problem with that is, this is a liberal moral question. It's not a question of moral reasoning, but of being misguided and method. The thing that drives Thanos in the movies is a Liberal moral matrix. Because the writers are so entrenched in that thinking, they cannot imagine how anyone who believes themselves to be moral could think otherwise.

It does not mean that you will get thousands and tens of thousands of liberals in high corporate/government positions who will look at Thanos and say "Thanos was right". In fact, the mere existence of the Marvel movies would encourage those same people to say "No, he wasn't".

If the liberal believed that climate change was going to cause our extinction, and that of much of the biome, they could convince themselves killing 50%-75% of the world's population, so at least 'somebody' is left to create the utopia they desire, was the 'compassionate' choice in the long run.

I was at that point after some indoc in my early college years, and it took years for people to open my eyes, and yes, I think a lot of hardcore liberal would, if they thought climate change was going to kill us all unless we massively reduce the population in a relatively fast manner, be ok with a depopulation virus/vax combo and using isolation tactics to induce depression, desperation, supplication, and complaince.

And do not pretend the environmental radicals haven't been pushing that stuff in academia for years.

This is less Thanos, more elite 'salarians' introducing a Genophage on the pleb 'krogan'. The elite don't want us all dead; the elite just want a lot less of us and for the remainder to be a new 'serf' class in the 'climate/social justice utopia', and added a dash of Tom Clancy/Rainbow Six in the delivery method.

 

[strunkenwhite]

OK let's talk about Ivermectin for a moment now.

Apparently there is some hardcore campaign against it right now, it's being removed from farmacies

farmacies

I just wanna point out before I do anything else what an amazing pun this is, given the context.

 

[strunkenwhite]

The vax does not stop the virus, the vax does not keep you from spreading it, most masks are placebos, and how many times have the politicians who force this shit been caught breaking their own rules? It is TSA airport security theater taken to the medical realm, and that's the 'good' scenario behind the whole fucking thing.

Thinking that compliance will give us back the rights and freedoms that have been abridged in the past year or so is fucking naive as hell. If you are naturally immune from previous infect, or simply not vulnerable, you don't need the vax, and if you have the vax, you are protected anyway, unless of course the vax isn't as effect as advertised and doesn't actually stop the spread.

It's not like flipping a switch from perfect vulnerability to perfect protection. If a mask improves each individual's chances of not getting sick a little, and vaccination improves those chances a lot, these protections will stack for each individual; and when considering populations, the number of people with extra resistance can dampen or accelerate the spread. Also, people can't tell the vaxed from the unvaxed by sight, and I hope you understand why this is not a question on which the honor system can be expected to be effective.

Or how the Dems were 'anti-vax', right up till they stole the White House?

What?

No money to be made off ivermectin.

I don't see how this could possibly be true, as long as it is a medicine that has to be manufactured which can then be sold for profit.

Pfizer CEO went to Israel. He wasn't allowed in because he wasn't vaccinated.
The CEO. The guy who could literally have the Vaxx the moment it was ready.
If that isn't a warning sign I don't know what is.

The information I was able to find indicates that the Pfizer CEO was fully vaccinated as of March 2021 and said he didn't get vaccinated earlier because it would have been "jumping the line" and he didn't want the bad PR (and plenty of people were indeed catching flak for taking the vaccine due to their connections before their age/health/job group came up). Whatever his reasons for not getting vaccinated before March, it seems that your source was at best out of date, unless—do you have reason to believe the information I found is a lie?

 

[Whitestrake Pelinal]

I don't see how this could possibly be true, as long as it is a medicine that has to be manufactured which can then be sold for profit.

Without a patent, a government-granted monopoly, they would be forced to compete on both price and quality. This is why generic medicines are affordable. Drug pushers strive to replace them with far more profitable patented products. They will even sink their old products with 'new research' to drive them out of use, such that they may be replaced with a "me-again" patented drug which is little different save for the price. ex: omeprazole.

 

[Bacle]

It's not like flipping a switch from perfect vulnerability to perfect protection. If masks improve each individual's chances of not getting sick a little, and vaccination improves those chances a lot, these protections will stack for each individual; and when considering populations, the number of people with extra resistance can dampen or accelerate the spread. Also, people can't tell the vaxed from the unvaxed by sight, and I hope you understand why this is not a question on which the honor system can be expected to be effective.

You are missing the point.

If someone wants to where a mask, and take the shot, that is their choice, same for those who do not. And for those who have already had it and recovered, it's pretty pointless to force them to act like a 'vulnerable' or likely to transmit population, and do either.

The abridging of our rights and freedoms, the coercive nature of the ways they are trying to force people to get the vax to have any life at all, and other medico-legal authoritarian BS, none of it is justified any longer.

The virus is endemic now; everyone is going to get it sooner or later. There is no point to 'slowing/stopping the spread' now; we are better off using therapeutics to help people achieve natural herd immunity.

The only way we beat the virus/vax combo the elite are pushing is to learn to ignore it, and not comply with frivolous mandates that the elite themselves have been shown not to follow.

I bought the 15/45 days to slow the spread, right up till the George Floyd situation, and the connection between Wuhan and the CDC started getting unearthed.

Now, it think Xi, Fauci, Pence, and their backers may accumulate a body count so high, and done is such a heinous manner, that would make Vlad Dracul and Chingus declare them hostis human generis.

What?

You do not remember the whole 'we do not trust the Trump vaccine' during the campaign? Seriously?

They only came onboard with the vax, at least publicly, once they had stolen the election.

 

[strunkenwhite]

Without a patent, a government-granted monopoly, they would be forced to compete on both price and quality. This is why generic medicines are affordable. Drug pushers strive to replace them with far more profitable patented products. They will even sink their old products with 'new research' to drive them out of use, such that they may be replaced with a "me-again" patented drug which is little different save for the price. ex: omeprazole.

Sure, but in a demand crisis you can still make an awfully fat profit; the competition won't undo that.

You are missing the point.

If someone wants to where a mask, and take the shot, that is their choice, same for those who do not. And for those who have already had it and recovered, it's pretty pointless to force them to act like a 'vulnerable' or likely to transmit population, and do either.

None of this rehabilitates your earlier post about the vax not stopping the virus. That is the argument I took issue with.

The virus is endemic now; everyone is going to get it sooner or later. There is no point to 'slowing/stopping the spread' now; we are better off using therapeutics to help people achieve natural herd immunity.

Not everyone who was vaccinated is going to get it. And endemic is not a magic word that gives hospitals more capacity to handle the influx of patients. I believe places like Mississippi are having trouble with that.

Speaking of which, when I look at the states with the worst case rates (most per 100k), the list looks awfully similar to the list of states with the worst vaccination rates (with the exception of Florida). Am I supposed to believe that's a coincidence? A lie?

You do not remember the whole 'we do not trust the Trump vaccine' during the campaign? Seriously?

I remember hearing things like "I wouldn't trust the Trump administration to tell me what color the sky is; I will trust the vaccine when other organizations give it the green light as well." We've had that in spades. But then again, I don't follow a lot of the Twitter frenzy so if there was more entrenched opposition there I may have missed it.

 

[Bacle]

I did not know 'acute MS' was a thing, and man, fuck that.

 

[Rocinante]

Sure, but in a demand crisis you can still make an awfully fat profit; the competition won't undo that.

None of this rehabilitates your earlier post about the vax not stopping the virus. That is the argument I took issue with.

Not everyone who was vaccinated is going to get it. And endemic is not a magic word that gives hospitals more capacity to handle the influx of patients. I believe places like Mississippi are having trouble with that.

Speaking of which, when I look at the states with the worst case rates (most per 100k), the list looks awfully similar to the list of states with the worst vaccination rates (with the exception of Florida). Am I supposed to believe that's a coincidence? A lie?

I remember hearing things like "I wouldn't trust the Trump administration to tell me what color the sky is; I will trust the vaccine when other organizations give it the green light as well." We've had that in spades. But then again, I don't follow a lot of the Twitter frenzy so if there was more entrenched opposition there I may have missed it.

Covid vaccine: $150-$170 per dose

Ivermectin: pennies per dose

There are BILLIONS more dollars to be made off the vaccines

51b alone just vaccinating the US.

I can find IVE for 1.50 a dose.

That's 450 million just for the US.

Now expand those numbers to the whole world

Covid vaccines: 1.1 trillion
IVE: 19 billion

They would make more than double just vaccinating the US Than giving IVE to the ENTIRE WORLD.

Now take into account that IVE is generic. That money would be split between a bunch of companies. Whereas the patented vaccines, that money will go to just a few companies.

The companies involved have orders of magnitude of more money to be made off the vaccines.

YES, this is being driven by the money, if you can't see the profit motive you are intentionally blinding yourself to the obvious.

 

[Typhonis]

Profit that is being funneled to Lobbyists who then give it to their friends in the US Government.

S.O.S. Same old shit.