China Wuhan Virus Pandemic
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strunkenwhite
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OK, sure, but what does that have to do with the discussion that was actually happening? I didn't understand Bacle to mean that the vaccination was ineffective; if so he made his point in a really weird way. (No amount of vaccinations ... because they don't work?) I understood him to be saying that even if the vaccine is safe and effective it doesn't help the fact that the disease is already endemic. And I disagreed with that assessment on the basis of safe and effective vaccines making a difference against many endemic diseases: smallpox wiped out worldwide, polio wiped out in the USA, measles going from perennial wildfire to almost unheard of, etc.You can be against the Covid vaccine but not anti-vax in general - in case that thought hadn't occurred to you...
It remains to be seen if COVID is something that a vaccination program can actually eliminate such as these or if the best that can be done is mitigating the numbers as with the various strains of influenza.
...you know, it's hilarious that the French and Australians are showing more balls than us (my home, the UK) and (most of) the Americans (who go on about their liberties all the time) against these authoritarian measures.
Good on 'em.
Good on 'em.
DarthOne
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To be fair to us Americans, things over here haven't gotten as bad as they are in France and Australia. At least not yet, as far as I'm aware.
Give it time (and man, is it depressing to say that).
Did you know that going from 1 in 100000 believe X to 2 in 100000 believe X is growing?
Because the science for these numbers has been known for months, and it's at most a decimal place give or take.
Bassoe
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I'd divide anti-vaxxism into the following three categories:
- Assuming the vaccine and lockdowns and masks don't actually work since the disease mutates too fast and is already endemic and we should just treat it as the seasonal flu version 2.0. Everything else is just being weaponized to drive businesses to small to bribe their way to 'essential' status into bankruptcy, force through increased authoritarianism and turn entry to society into a subscription service where everyone needs the latest updated booster shots to participate. Evidence is, if the vaccine did work, why do the vaccinated still have to wear masks, social distance, etc, and with all the new strains, won't it just be a matter of time until the disease mutates so the vaccine stops working? All things considered, this seems plausible enough.
- Not trusting medical professionals/the vaccine's safety. Evidence is the opioid crisis and the drug-manufacturing megacorps and pill-prescription-pushing doctors getting off with a slap on the wrist for creating said crisis demonstrating such a crime is possible, extremely profitable for its perpetrators and won't be properly punished and the vaccine-manufacturing companies insisting upon being made legally immune to persecution if their product had negative side effects.
- Believing that the status quo leadership wants to poison or at least sterilize the peasants, for a variety of possible reasons, sadism, some kind of satanic ritual, since with advancing automation technologies their labor is no longer necessary and they compete with the status quo leadership for finite resources, environmentalism, etc. Never really understood this one myself, how would doing so possiblly benefit the status quo leadership? Fewer people would mean less competition for jobs, hence wages would have to rise. More importantly from the status quo leadership’s perspective, how is making a world where seeing through their propaganda is the sole criteria for reproductive success supposed to end well for them? Wouldn’t it make more sense to use the media to propagandize flu season into a doomsday plague to justify vaccinating 'essential workers' and as many sheeple who believed the media as possible, all argued in the most unconvincing way with as many red flags as possible so that the freethinkers would understandably disbelieve it and not accept vaccination, then release the actual bioweapon the vaccine was actually for and claim the disease mutated.
The French and Australians have been pushed longer and harder then the americans. Seriously the Ozzzy have been dealing with a full court press of bullshit for decades now. The french had a 20 year plus long refugee crisis and people are finally breaking.
The UK....I have no idea why they havent snapped but I think when they do bodies will hit the floor.
Sobek
Disgusting Scalie
Canada really making me do a B I G think right now...
torontosun.com
Burial costs covered for Canadians killed by approved vaccines
Burial costs will now be covered by Ottawa for individuals killed by federally approved vaccines.
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Polio is from a different family of viruses - it mutates much less, and therefore vaccines against it work for much, much longer.
On the opposite extreme is something like the Common Cold - there's no vaccine, because that family of viruses mutate constantly.
Coronaviruses are RNA based, and therefore unstable. So by the time a vaccine comes out.. it's already obsolete.
What's the sitch?
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Not sure what else to say, Australia is lost. Whoever authorized and followed through with that needs to be hung if there is any hope of a "return to normalcy". Literally a stones throw away from gunning down non vaxxers now. "just following orders"
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At this point I think were going to have populist revolts through out the western world in 8-10 years.
And if that doesn't result in reform there will be civil wars and revolutions through out the western world in the 2060s.