China Wuhan Virus Pandemic

[Rocinante]

At this point I'd vote for a rabid pitbull/alligator mix if it would stop the infringement on my natural rights.

So, Donald Trump?

 

[Scottty]

Faith in medical "authority" is breaking down.

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After the last 18 months I really don’t care what you advocate or advise. Nor any other doctor. Or nurse. Or politician.

You see, the folks in your profession lied too many times over too short of a period of time for it to be overlooked as “mistakes.” You’ve been caught, and rather than apologize and point the finger at who coerced you into lying (or even better, shivving them in public on TeeVee) your response was to double down and place your job and income above people’s lives.

If I can read medical journal articles so can you. But it’s not my job to do so — it is, however, part of yours. As alleged “experts” you have a duty to keep up to date on what’s been discovered and to be prepared to discuss and debate it. Dismissing such out of hand isn’t the mark of a professional in any field; it is the mark of someone who wields credentials as a weapon and deserves to have them shoved up their ass.

But now the joke’s on you. You’ve destroyed the credibility of the so-called “medical profession” on a permanent basis for a huge number of people, myself included. I’d rather go to a Voodoo practitioner for medical advice; there, at least, all I might get conned out of is $20 or $50 to sacrifice a chicken to a piece of rock with some feathers sticking out of it.

You, on the other hand, will tell me to go eat chicken soup for a viral infection that has a reasonable chance of becoming systemic and screwing me hard rather than debating the merits and risks with me, and then allowing me to choose from possibly-effective, unproved drugs that have decades-long safety records and thus, at worst, won’t do any more than the chicken soup — but on the other hand they might work. Indeed, while the so-called “gold standard” trials of tens of thousands of people in double-blind, placebo-controlled objective studies haven’t been done on them you have not demanded, as professionals, that the organs of government run those trials over the preceding 18 months and get the answers when nobody else will because said drugs are off-patent and cheap. There is thus no incentive to spend the half-million to few million dollars to run such a trial. The government, of course, blows billions on known-bogus tests and uses them as fear pornography instead….

 

[VicSage]

It's a little difficult to trust doctors when the profession has turned from curing to a subscription-based health a la "take these pills for your symptoms".

So, Donald Trump?

Funnily enough, I didn't vote in that election, viewing it as an election between a New York thief and a New York monster. I'm glad that I was very, very wrong, despite that he did disappoint me on several issues.

 

[Scottty]

It's a little difficult to trust doctors when the profession has turned from curing to a subscription-based health a la "take these pills for your symptoms".

 

[Rocinante]

It's a little difficult to trust doctors when the profession has turned from curing to a subscription-based health a la "take these pills for your symptoms".

Funnily enough, I didn't vote in that election, viewing it as an election between a New York thief and a New York monster. I'm glad that I was very, very wrong, despite that he did disappoint me on several issues.

Oh Donald Trump filled me with uncountable numbers of disappointment. Seriously. I was never a huge fan of Trump.

That being said, he was also the best president in my 35 years on this planet, and BY FAR the best option of the others running in the general elections. (I could make arguments for better people in the primaries)

 

[VicSage]

Terrifying isn't it, that a New York democrat has been the best President fielded by the Republicans in enough time for at minimum two generations to be born?

 

[Rocinante]

Terrifying isn't it, that a New York democrat has been the best President fielded by the Republicans in enough time for at minimum two generations to be born?

There's a reason I was historically not a GOP supporter.

I do think they have some good members now. Some of which have been around a while, but have been making moves and saying things I like. Crenshaw, Desantis, Abbot, Cruz, Rand Paul, some others, all seem like they'd be viable presidential candidates.

Also, I used to haaaate Cruz, but these last two years he's been pretty decent.

 

[Zachowon]

There's a reason I was historically not a GOP supporter.

I do think they have some good members now. Some of which have been around a while, but have been making moves and saying things I like. Crenshaw, Desantis, Abbot, Cruz, Rand Paul, some others, all seem like they'd be viable presidential candidates.

Also, I used to haaaate Cruz, but these last two years he's been pretty decent.

Crenshaw yes and no. He has some things to answer for, but he is definitely better than a lot of Dems and Republicans.
Rand Paul is libertarian conservative.

 

[Rocinante]

Crenshaw yes and no. He has some things to answer for, but he is definitely better than a lot of Dems and Republicans.
Rand Paul is libertarian conservative.

Agreed on Crenshaw. He disappointed me earlier this year, but over all I do think he has potential to be a good president. I'd vote for the one eyed Chris Pratt.

 

[Zachowon]

Agreed on Crenshaw. He disappointed me earlier this year, but over all I do think he has potential to be a good president. I'd vote for the one eyed Chris Pratt.

I do not agree with all the policies he wants, but he is better hen 90% of dems nd reps

 

[Vaermina]

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This is insane.

The laws of nature don't even apply to vaxcucks.

You realize that's parody right?

 

[Rocinante]

You realize that's parody right?

Hard to tell the difference these days.

I know someone who got so sick from the vaccine, they literally took a blanket and pillow and slept on their bathroom floor so they didn't have to keep getting up to throw up.

And when telling this story to social media, they said, "still better than covid though."

It's absolute nonsense. It's different for everyone but I'd rather have COVID than THAT. And I was recently sick from covid. For three days of it quite sick. More than I have been in years.

Still better than the vaccine lol

 

[Vaermina]

Hard to tell the difference these days.

It really isn't...

Even the minimum amount of research involving just looking at the picture itself shows it was parody...

I know someone who got so sick from the vaccine, they literally took a blanket and pillow and slept on their bathroom floor so they didn't have to keep getting up to throw up.

And when telling this story to social media, they said, "still better than covid though."

It's absolute nonsense. It's different for everyone but I'd rather have COVID than THAT. And I was recently sick from covid. For three days of it quite sick. More than I have been in years.

Still better than the vaccine lol

Except statistics show it isn't nonsense...

And not even hard to read statistics show it is nonsense... So that's on you for being unable to understand it...

 

[Rocinante]

It really isn't...

Even the minimum amount of research involving just looking at the picture itself shows it was parody...


Except statistics show it isn't nonsense...

And not even hard to read statistics show it is nonsense... So that's on you for being unable to understand it...

I'm more immune to covid than the immunity the vaccine gives me.

Even if the vaccine is a very small risk, it's still a risk.

Me not having it? Zero risk.

So my choice, is not having it.

 

[Vaermina]

I'm more immune system to covid than the vaccine gives me.

Not according to the scientific study you aren't.

Well... Unless you're talking the Sinovac vaccine... In which case yea...

Even if the vaccine then, is a very small risk, it's still a risk.

Not having it? Zero risk.

So my choice, is not having it.

Zero risk... Other then a 1 in 100 to 1 in 500 chance of actually dying from Covid...

Or the 1 in 20 chance of persistent long term effects from Covid...

And as for the Vaccine side effects? Outside of an allergic reaction you're at much greater risk of those side effects from Covid itself then you are the vaccine... (I think it was a 10x greater risk if I remember right.)

 

[Rocinante]

Not according to the scientific study you aren't.

Well... Unless you're talking the Sinovac vaccine... In which case yea...


Zero risk... Other then a 1 in 100 to 1 in 500 chance of actually dying from Covid...

Or the 1 in 20 chance of persistent long term effects from Covid...

And as for the Vaccine side effects? Outside of an allergic reaction you're at much greater risk of those side effects from Covid itself then you are the vaccine... (I think it was a 10x greater risk if I remember right.)

If you want to cite the CDC, even they admit that natural immunity is more effective than the vaccines.

Coronavirus Disease 2019

I've already had covid. I was fine. If I get it again, I'll be fine.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

Except statistics show it isn't nonsense...

And not even hard to read statistics show it is nonsense... So that's on you for being unable to understand it...

Trusting the statistics put out by any institution right now is idiocy.

Not according to the scientific study you aren't.

Fuck that study.

You realize that's parody right?

My point was more "people are out there making that kind of an argument seriously,".

Reject the beast.

Embrace real science and hit the gym and take some zinc.

 

[Vaermina]

If you want to cite the CDC, even they admit that natural immunity is more effective than the vaccines.

Coronavirus Disease 2019

I've already had covid. I was fine. If I get it again, I'll be fine.

*points at date*

That's from August 6th, the study showing that was wrong wasn't published till August 13th.

Trusting the statistics put out by any institution right now is idiocy.

Good thing I'm not, these are statistics so easy to get you can look at the raw numbers and figure them out yourself.

 

[Rocinante]

*points at date*

That's from August 6th, the study showing that was wrong wasn't published till August 13th.



Good thing I'm not, these are statistics so easy to get you can look at the raw numbers and figure them out yourself.

Your study is looking at vaccinated vs unvaccinated. Not vaccinated vs natural immunity from those who have been previously infected.

 

[Scottty]

Look @Vaermina the whole point of vaccination is to make it be as if you've already had the disease and recovered from it, and therefore can't get it again.
If you can't become immune to the virus, then vaccination against it is pointless!