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You know, if this virus shit forces us to wear masks for months more, I'm just gonna say fuck it and buy a Mandalorian mask/helmet that I'll put a cloth neck-guard on it.

If we have to live with masks for the foreseeable future, it might as well be one that won't be mistaken for a political statement.
 

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With the way this year is going i wouldn't be surprised if a Drug resistant super bacteria came out of china before the year is out.
 

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Hopefully they can get a vaccine ready(properly tested of course) soon so we can stop wearing these bloody masks once its been administered to everyone who can have vaccines. And yes I'm fully supporting the idea of making the anti vaxxers have one.
How about NO?
I don't trust American Big Pharma, and neither should you.

With the way this year is going i wouldn't be surprised if a Drug resistant super bacteria came out of china before the year is out.
They put antibiotics like vancomycin into animal feed over there.
 

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They put antibiotics like vancomycin into animal feed over there.
China is single-handedly responsible for putting the world in a position where antibiotics are becoming ineffective. If nobody comes up with new ones within the next few decades, or something to replace them, we're going to end up right back where we started in terms of being able to deal with infections; we're talking pre-Penicillin here, where even something as simple as a scrape on your knee could be enough to kill you.
 

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You know, if this virus shit forces us to wear masks for months more, I'm just gonna say fuck it and buy a Mandalorian mask/helmet that I'll put a cloth neck-guard on it.
100% a political statement. Mandalorians are Space Rednecks who like guns and huntin' and space-Jesus. :ROFLMAO:

Here you go. Your dust cover:


Hopefully they can get a vaccine ready(properly tested of course) soon so we can stop wearing these bloody masks once its been administered to everyone who can have vaccines. And yes I'm fully supporting the idea of making the anti vaxxers have one.
A COVID-19 vaccine could very easily fail for numerous reasons.

The purpose of a vaccine is to "train" the immune system to recognize and respond to a pathogen. That is, to produce antibodies to it. It's the same exact thing as the adaptive immune system responding to an actual infection, minus the part where you actually get sick (because the virus in the vaccine is weakened or killed, usually).

For one thing, antibodies may not last for very long.


For another, they may actually sensitize someone to different strains through ADE, just like Dengue:


Also, SARS vaccines that have been tried in the past were noted to provoke immunopathological responses. They protected animals from infection, but caused paradoxical immune responses that damaged the lungs anyway:


I'm not saying that a vaccine won't work. However, it won't be easy to develop, and it might actually make the virus more lethal if not designed correctly.
 

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China is single-handedly responsible for putting the world in a position where antibiotics are becoming ineffective. If nobody comes up with new ones within the next few decades, or something to replace them, we're going to end up right back where we started in terms of being able to deal with infections; we're talking pre-Penicillin here, where even something as simple as a scrape on your knee could be enough to kill you.
It won't necessarily be that bad. Biological adaptation is all about trade-offs. Tweaking it's metabolism to not be killed by an antibiotic will often make that strain of bacteria in other ways. So retire a given antibiotic for long enough, and the non-immune versions of the bacteria will have out-competed the immune version, and your "old but good" antibiotic can come back into service for a bit.
 

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It won't necessarily be that bad. Biological adaptation is all about trade-offs. Tweaking it's metabolism to not be killed by an antibiotic will often make that strain of bacteria in other ways. So retire a given antibiotic for long enough, and the non-immune versions of the bacteria will have out-competed the immune version, and your "old but good" antibiotic can come back into service for a bit.
Well yes, in theory there's always that; but it could take upwards of several generations for the antibiotic-adapted bacteria to die off, depending on how thoroughly we could pause the use of antibiotics across the globe. I doubt, for example, anyone could convince the Chinese to stop using them for any length of time, even after they've ceased having any effect.
 

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And here we go. China straight-up lied about their COVID-19 infections and deaths.


Background: Epidemiological data provide important information for decision making. COVID-19 statistics from China fall outside of recognized and accepted medical norms. As the epicenter of the COVID-19 initial outbreak, the epidemiological information from Wuhan affects the response and preparation of other parts of China and rest of the world. Here we estimated the incidence, death and starting time of the COVID-19 outbreak in Wuhan and China based on medical literature from China, official and non-official Chinese data sources. Methods: Data sources included literature on COVID-19 in China, official Chinese government figures, state-run and non state-run media reports. Our estimates are based on investigative media reports of crematory operations in Wuhan, which is considered as a common data end point to life. A range of estimates is presented by an exponential growth rate model from lockdown (Jan 23,2020) until the intervention started to show effects, which was estimated 14.5 days after lockdown. Results: For the cumulative infections and total deaths, under different assumptions of death rates (from 2.5% to 10%) and doubling time 6.4 days, the estimates projected on February 7, 2020 in Wuhan range from 305,000 to 1,272,000 for infections and from 6,811 to 7,223 for deaths - on the order of at least 10 times the official figures (13,603 and 545). The implied starting time of the outbreak is October 2019. Under the assumption of the official 3.14% death rate and doubling time of 2.54 days (which was derived based on Chinese official data), the infection cases reached 2.2 million on February 7. The estimates of cumulative deaths, based on both funeral urns distribution and continuous full capacity operation of cremation services up to March 23, 2020, give results around 36,000, more than 10 times of the official death toll of 2,524. Conclusions: Our study indicates a significant under-reporting in Chinese official data on the COVID-19 epidemic in Wuhan. The magnitude of discrepancy between our estimates based on cremation related data and Chinese official figures in early February, the critical time for response to the COVID-19 pandemic, suggests the need to reevaluate official statistics from China and consider all available and reasonable data sources for a better understanding of the COVID-19 pandemic.
Millions were infected in Wuhan and upwards of 30,000 people died.
 

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And here we go. China straight-up lied about their COVID-19 infections and deaths.

Millions were infected in Wuhan and upwards of 30,000 people died.
We already knew that from the leaks. If their own research and contact tracing documents list hundreds of thousands of confirmed locations that people were infected, then there were/are millions of people with it right now. Chinese age/health being what it is (aging population who survived the famine of the 80's, smokers, obesity in younger people) the fatality rate will be much higher than in most other countries of similar economic development.
 

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And here we go. China straight-up lied about their COVID-19 infections and deaths.




Millions were infected in Wuhan and upwards of 30,000 people died.
30,000 dead isn't nearly as bad as I'd feared; I assumed China's actual death count would at least exceed the six-digit threshold.
 

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30,000 dead isn't nearly as bad as I'd feared; I assumed China's actual death count would at least exceed the six-digit threshold.
30,000 in Wuhan itself seems more realistic, and may not include large numbers of cases due to changing the definition of a Covid death or simply listing it as having died of pneumonia.

People should try to find the numbers for other causes of death over the same time period in that area. It would help figure out how much the CCP and locals fudged the numbers.
 

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30,000 dead isn't nearly as bad as I'd feared; I assumed China's actual death count would at least exceed the six-digit threshold.
30k in one city. There’s no telling how many have died throughout the rest of the country, but if I had to guess, it’s probably into six digits at the minimum by now.
 

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I want everyone to notice something.

COVID still exists in Korea yet they arnt having massive outbreaks and are fully open, with only US Service members not allowed in bars and clubs.

They arnt having these massive outbreaks and not everyone if wearing a mask.

Perhaps it isnt reopening that is the issue, but the protests?

Perhaps it is being overblown by its fatality rate in those under 45?
 

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I want everyone to notice something.

COVID still exists in Korea yet they arnt having massive outbreaks and are fully open, with only US Service members not allowed in bars and clubs.

They arnt having these massive outbreaks and not everyone if wearing a mask.

Perhaps it isnt reopening that is the issue, but the protests?

Perhaps it is being overblown by its fatality rate in those under 45?
Based on the information I’ve gathered, the rate of symptomatic COVID-19 infections is highly variable depending on a number of factors in a given population. SK might be experiencing lower rates of infection because of a tuberculosis vaccine, oddly enough.
  • Nutrition (Vitamin D, glutathione, and nitric oxide deficiency)
  • Average Age (60+ age group is more vulnerable)
  • Blood Type (A is most vulnerable, O is least)
  • Ethnicity (genetic variations in endothelial function)
  • Comorbidities (obesity, hypertension, diabetes)
  • BCG Vaccine
 

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Based on the information I’ve gathered, the rate of symptomatic COVID-19 infections is highly variable depending on a number of factors in a given population. SK might be experiencing lower rates of infection because of a tuberculosis vaccine, oddly enough.
  • Nutrition (Vitamin D, glutathione, and nitric oxide deficiency)
  • Average Age (60+ age group is more vulnerable)
  • Blood Type (A is most vulnerable, O is least)
  • Ethnicity (genetic variations in endothelial function)
  • Comorbidities (obesity, hypertension, diabetes)
  • BCG Vaccine
I want you to understand something.

I think COVID was overblown... is it bad? Sure. Is it as bad as you and others make it out to be? No.

We should stop the protests and the rates will go the fuck down and enforce masks!
 

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I want you to understand something.

I think COVID was overblown... is it bad? Sure. Is it as bad as you and others make it out to be? No.

We should stop the protests and the rates will go the fuck down and enforce masks!
Holdup didn't you say masks were useless a few months ago?
 

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We already knew that from the leaks. If their own research and contact tracing documents list hundreds of thousands of confirmed locations that people were infected, then there were/are millions of people with it right now. Chinese age/health being what it is (aging population who survived the famine of the 80's, smokers, obesity in younger people) the fatality rate will be much higher than in most other countries of similar economic development.
You forgot lungs wrecked by growing up breathing 200. + PPM air.
 

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30k in one city. There’s no telling how many have died throughout the rest of the country, but if I had to guess, it’s probably into six digits at the minimum by now.
There was an article back when Wuhan had just reopened that claimed crematories there had had up to 43,000 additional urns sent to people. So I'd say that 30k might be slightly understating the deaths. As for six digits, you mean 100K? That's quite possible. 1 million would be too much, IMO.
 
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