Would Segregation have been wrong if it really was separate but equal?

If you want real fun, ask a woman who prefers to use men's public restrooms why she prefers the men's room over the women's room.

Her answer will not be "because the line is shorter".

The men's room is usually cleaner. A janitor - who has definitely seen some shit - can confirm this.
What do women do to make their restrooms shitty?
 
What do women do to make their restrooms shitty?
Women have bladders that are both smaller and shaped differently (the uterus pushes down on it) than men that cause them to need to use the restroom more often. By itself, this ensures women's bathrooms have a lot more traffic which translates directly into more dirt.

However, women also tend to use the restroom in groups even if they don't all need to go at once increasing traffic. Further, women are also more likely to escort children of either gender into the restroom, so a majority of child use is in women's restrooms. On top of that, women having issues such as their monthly cycle will use the bathroom to take care of that where men don't have to, and women will use the restroom to touch up their makeup, and in some cases just to ditch a creepy date or guy who won't go away.

The net result is that women's restrooms tend to have long lines compared to men's rooms and also be filthier from the increased usage.
 
My baby boy, me Sweet Little Chicadee - who did a stint as handyman/janitor in a nightclub - confirms. A female friend said that high heels are useful - as stilts - in keeping your feet dry from the pee puddles at lady restrooms ...

My impressions as a hospital orderly/janitor are different - men's rooms were filthy while women's were clean but the ladies produced lots of trash (on floor included).

women also tend to use the restroom in groups even if they don't all need to go at once
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I mean anything can be justified as morally right or wrong depending on how much you are willing to stretch the context. But looking at the fruits of it I'm going to say yes under nearly all circumstances nothing good comes from segregation. Those who deem themselves above the rest of society and refuse to integrate or at the very least cooperate, will cause trouble for said society and use any and every excuse under the sun to justify it, whether it be class differences, racial differences, religious ect ect. (need I remind anyone that many of the royal families thought so highly of themselves that INBREEDING was a huge problem)

At BEST segregation and giving people their own in groups is putting a band-aid on an infected wound. One side will want what the other side has and they'll feel like it's owed to them because they have the virtue of simply existing. At the point your society starts fracturing and balkanizing to the point the only thing indicating you're part of the group is artificially drawn political lines, the social contract is completely and your government/country/society is doomed to collapse. The kicker is this happens regardless of skin color or facial features.

and yes I would argue that as of right now the US is that fractured. We have two political sides that utterly despise each other and thinks their lives would be so much better if the other side was completly gone, and we have an elite rueling class that has utter contempt for anyone not part of thier personal club and are playing the two political sides against each other while they sit in thier ivory towers drinking gold foiled wine and having carnal parties. That's hostile balkanization on three different levels.

Perhaps it's within human nature to have such a superiority complex and be self-destructive like this, and perhaps nothing can be done to stop it, but it doesn't make it any less of a problem.

TL;DR

Segregation no matter how you slice it is part of a greater sickness and by no reasonable measure can I consider it benign.
 
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The mere fact there are black, asian, and latino neighbourhoods means that people segregate on their own.

So, yes, if people want to seperate, that's fine. Force-mixing groups who don't want to for your ideology is scumbagery.


It also doesn't work. There's a reason why there's "black" culture.
 
(Sigh) No, keeping Jim Crow would not have abated the rise of the radical left and multi-culturalism. In fact, it would probably have made it worse.

Or did you think I don't know what these daft questions are almost always about? Not everything that came before, or even "opposed" modernity, is good. Neo-Reactionaries really need to ditch this myopic view of history.
This comes from the thought process well everything is shit so when did things become shit? Getting a honest and realistic reply to that question is currently impossible because hysteria it's likely that people will get solutions that work in 80 years or so
 
The mere fact there are black, asian, and latino neighbourhoods means that people segregate on their own.

So, yes, if people want to seperate, that's fine. Force-mixing groups who don't want to for your ideology is scumbagery.


It also doesn't work. There's a reason why there's "black" culture.
Self-segregation is people wanting to be around others with a similar background and interests.

A black guy from the 'hood and white guy from a ranch in rural Montana probably aren't going to have a whole lot of shared experiences.

If they both enjoy golf a random Saturday morning at public course where they get placed in the same foursome could turn them into the best of friends by lunchtime.
 
The mere fact there are black, asian, and latino neighbourhoods means that people segregate on their own.

Except for the fact that neighborhood segregation is heavily a function of redlining, differences in access to home ownership, and in many cases the outright destruction of neighborhoods via condemnation and/or imminent domain abuse, not "just" voluntary cultural clustering.
 
Except for the fact that neighborhood segregation is heavily a function of redlining, differences in access to home ownership, and in many cases the outright destruction of neighborhoods via condemnation and/or imminent domain abuse, not "just" voluntary cultural clustering.
Sydney, Australia, has had a Chinatown for over 120 years.

I call Bullshit.
 
Except for the fact that neighborhood segregation is heavily a function of redlining, differences in access to home ownership, and in many cases the outright destruction of neighborhoods via condemnation and/or imminent domain abuse, not "just" voluntary cultural clustering.
I'd have to do a bit of Googling to look up and link to the news stories ...

There's a black gal who won a large lottery jackpot. She bought and moved into a mansion in a gated community. Her new neighbors did not welcome her because she wasn't one of them.

She made some bad decisions with her money and wound up broke*. Her rich neighbours being assholes because they didn't want "those people" in neighbourhood certainly did not help.

* Common with lottery winners. Her boyfriend had a bad habit of not showing up after she posted bail on his behalf.
 
I'd have to do a bit of Googling to look up and link to the news stories ...

There's a black gal who won a large lottery jackpot. She bought and moved into a mansion in a gated community. Her new neighbors did not welcome her because she wasn't one of them.

She made some bad decisions with her money and wound up broke*. Her rich neighbours being assholes because they didn't want "those people" in neighbourhood certainly did not help.

* Common with lottery winners. Her boyfriend had a bad habit of not showing up after she posted bail on his behalf.
Sounds like maybe the neighbors were right.
 
Except for the fact that neighborhood segregation is heavily a function of redlining, differences in access to home ownership, and in many cases the outright destruction of neighborhoods via condemnation and/or imminent domain abuse, not "just" voluntary cultural clustering.


not to mention that media as a whole has glorified "hood" behavior. look at the generation of black men and women that lived during world war II (God bless the Tuskegee Airmen) vs the black men and women of today. the culture and behavior of just a couple of generations is completely alien to one another. it's also interesting that it seems like whenever a fellow black role model speaks out against hood living and the bigotry of low expectations, they mysteriously end up dead or have dirt dug up on them. (MLK, Michael Jackson, Bill Cosby) Somebody benefits from racial and class tension and it's not us common folk.
 
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Sounds like maybe the neighbors were right.
Maybe.

Someone who suddenly comes into a very large amount of money doesn't really have a neighbourhood they fit into anymore.

The people who knew them before they became wealthy will try to and often do succeed at taking advantage of them. The people who are now their financial peers often won't welcome them because they're not "one of us".
 
You know, sometimes I feel as if this thread was created by someone of SB or SV to say "Look at what those racist on The Sietch are doing, total animals". Let's just finish this up once and for all. Segregation is wrong, Skin color matters not at all as it is the Rich fools who seek to divide us that lead to thoughts of separating races. For in the end, there is no race, but the human race.
 
You know, sometimes I feel as if this thread was created by someone of SB or SV to say "Look at what those racist on The Sietch are doing, total animals". Let's just finish this up once and for all. Segregation is wrong, Skin color matters not at all as it is the Rich fools who seek to divide us that lead to thoughts of separating races. For in the end, there is no race, but the human race.

If you don't want to pay attention to reality, that's up to you.
 
You know, sometimes I feel as if this thread was created by someone of SB or SV to say "Look at what those racist on The Sietch are doing, total animals". Let's just finish this up once and for all. Segregation is wrong, Skin color matters not at all as it is the Rich fools who seek to divide us that lead to thoughts of separating races. For in the end, there is no race, but the human race.
Segregation doesn’t just have to be by race groups could have different accommodations based on language culture or religion.
 

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