Tiamat
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The various interpretations of the Jack Ryan character might be suited for another thread, but yeah...IMHO, the only decent Jack Ryan films I’ve seen were Hunt for Red October and Patriot Games. The rest, meh.
Alternate History World War III: 1988, aka "The War of '88"
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The various interpretations of the Jack Ryan character might be suited for another thread, but yeah...IMHO, the only decent Jack Ryan films I’ve seen were Hunt for Red October and Patriot Games. The rest, meh.
CarlManvers2019
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Say, anything going on with refugees and/or immigrants from Communist Powers?
Tiamat
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This bad boy is probably going to see service.
AAI's 75mm ARES system is stupid fast and the vehicle is stupid angled.
Funny you mention that...
The 75mm Ares system shows up on AAI Corporations revamp of the MRV in use with the Australian Army as part of an overhaul/upgrade package. The HSVTL, which would become the AAI RDF tank, would have its chassis serve as the base for the M-20 Ridgeway airborne light tank. You can find both vehicles under the NATO and US equipment list addendums.
I may also have the the vehicle shown above with add-on Stinger launchers (in addition to the 75mm Ares and coaxial machine gun) that was also tested by AAI be placed into production as a lightweight Hybrid armored ADA/FSV vehicle specifically for the US Airborne. I’ll post a link to an image when I get home.
Best way to describe the M-20 Ridgeway is if you took the chassis of the AAI RDF vehicle, placed a low profile turret similar to the M1 TTB, and used the same Low Recoil Force(LRF) 105mm gun used in the Cadillac Gage Stingray, that would be the Ridgeway. And I have to confess I kind of borrowed/stole the idea from Twilight 2000 and Paul Mulcahy's Twilight 2000 Equipment/Vehicle/Weapons website.
EDIT: Here is the other variant of the AAI RDF LT I was referring to. The actual one that deploys might look a bit different than this one as well.....
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Tiamat
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You mean refugees...no immigrants as clearly, socialist utopias are such that why would any true citizen of (insert COMBLOC country here) wish to ever “immigrate” to the corrupt, decadent imperialistic West?!
Please note that any rumors of fleeing refugees getting shot by border guards especially in East Germany is treason. Have a nice day, tovarisch!
CarlManvers2019
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Any West German Socialists ratting em out or getting really fucking pissed at said fleeing East Germans?
Tiamat
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And why would they rat them out? Germans tend to disagree on a lot of things, sometimes violently, but at the core they're still Germans. It's a complicated dynamic that was very prominently on display during the Cold War. If there was anyone that was truly despised by basically everybody, including a lot of East Germans, it was the ever prevalent Stasi secret police that were damn near everywhere in the DDR and had agents everywhere in Europe, these folks were reviled on the same level as the Soviet KGB. And at the Inner German Border, IGB between East and West, you had the equally despised Grenztruppen, the Border Troops of the DDR that regularly shot anyone trying to defect to East Germany, and would often get pay bonuses and rewards for shooting anyone attempting to flee the DDR. As much as one should treat Wikipedia with a grain of salt, they do have a good summary of it here which I'll quote:
"From 1945 onwards, unauthorised crossers of the inner German border risked being shot by Soviet or East German border guards. The use of deadly force was termed the Schießbefehl ("order to fire" or "command to shoot"). It was formally in force as early as 1948, when regulations concerning the use of firearms on the border were promulgated. A regulation issued to East German police 27 May 1952 stipulated that "failure to obey the orders of the Border Patrol will be met by the use of arms." From the 1960s to the end of the 1980s, the border guards were given daily verbal orders (Vergatterung) to "track down, arrest or annihilate border violators." The GDR formally codified its regulations on the use of deadly force in March 1982, when the State Border Law mandated that firearms were to be used as the "maximum measure in the use of force" against individuals who "publicly attempt to break through the state border".[23] The GDR's leadership explicitly endorsed the use of deadly force. General Heinz Hoffmann, the GDR Minister of Defence, declared in August 1966 that "anyone who does not respect our border will feel the bullet." In 1974, Erich Honecker, as Chairman of the National Defense Council of East Germany, ordered: "Firearms are to be ruthlessly used in the event of attempts to break through the border, and the comrades who have successfully used their firearms are to be commended."[24]"
Honecker was a real scumbag, Gorbachev himself even referred to him as such at least once.
The IGB was one of the most heavily guarded, mined, and fortified borders in the world perhaps matched only by the 38th Parallel DMZ between North and South Korea during the heyday of the Cold War, again you can read a relatively decent summary of it from Wikipedia (again read with caution) here:
Inner German border - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
CarlManvers2019
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My reasoning is a sort of, “These guys don’t know what REAL socialism is and them telling me about it pisses me off” in-regards to why West German Socialists romanticising Socialism would possibly rat em out
Course, that level of delusion may not be so prevalent, especially when people have records of how Gorbachev and his family and friends and supporters were executed
Course, that level of delusion may not be so prevalent, especially when people have records of how Gorbachev and his family and friends and supporters were executed
Aaron Fox
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That is very disingenuous, mate, very disingenuous. The thing with Western socialists is that -while heavily infiltrated by the KGB and Stasi- a lot of them -i.e. those that weren't KGB/Stasi agents- would later work towards democratic socialism/social democracy after the Cold War specifically to get away from the horrors perpetrated by the USSR and Maoist China.
CarlManvers2019
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Well then, the ones who are agents, intentional or no, get to punish these traitors
Yeah, we see the results of their "good faith" antics today.
CarlManvers2019
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TBF I doubt even the USSR would be getting into this sort of stuff
Tiamat
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TBF I doubt even the USSR would be getting into this sort of stuff
Okay Carl, I get your beef, and i have little if any love for socialism myself, period for some personal reasons of my own, but can you avoid veering off into “stuff” like this and keep it to another thread?
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CarlManvers2019
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Around th?
Okay, sorry let's just say I get sorta pissed at people occasionally going on about "the sane ones"....I still remember that stuff about how memes are weapons and thus reason for governments to censor free speech lest they easily make people into right wingers sort of talk from months back
Sorry, I know off-topic
Still, gotta ask, how many KGB Agents or "Secret Agents" types still working within the organizations can tell that their time is "counted"? Or a lack of belief in actually being able to win a war without nukes and swaying others to their cause?
Because I'm already getting the feeling that when it comes to the logistics and resources for war, it's ironically the guys with less centralization who'll be winning the majority of battles whereas the latter simply has to endure and send as many warm bodies as they can or hope that they're not feeling like truly causing destruction
World War III: 1988, Addendum H: "The July '87 Bering Strait Incident"
Tiamat
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Special thanks to CurtisLemay's friend Matt Wiser who was kind enough to share some advice on this next part.
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World War III: 1988
Addendum H: "The July ’87 Bering Strait Incident"
Although interceptions of Soviet bomber and reconnaissance aircraft over Alaskan airspace were common during the Cold War, particularly along the Distant Early Warning (DEW) Line, there was a noticeable uptick in detection of air incursions by Soviet aircraft beginning in February 1987. The “July ’87 Bering Strait Incident” was notable for the loss of a Soviet MIG-23MLA “Flogger G” as well as significant wing damage to a F-15B belonging to the 54th Fighter Squadron, that had just been activated in May 1987 as part of the 21st Tactical Fighter Wing. It was also notable as while Soviet bomber/reconnaissance aircraft had penetrated American and NATO airspace in the past, it had rarely ever done so with fighter aircraft escorts. The incident was reported worldwide and resulted in numerous accusations and several hearings on both sides, and further inflamed tensions between the United States and Soviet Union. The United States Air Force released a cut audio transcript several days after the incident to back it’s claims the Soviets had unlawfully violated their airspace and acted aggressively, while the Soviet Union released a suspected edited audio transcript which it claimed proved the Americans acted in aggression resulting in the loss of one of their aircraft. The complete American audio transcript was not released until after the ’88 War. The participants in the incident are listed as follows by their callsigns:
Watchtower 6: EW Radar Control, Alaskan Air Command responding to Soviet air incursion 10 miles west of EW radar site Nome, Alaska.
F-15B Chevy 24, Capt. Michael Kozlowski, performing aerial patrol over Alaska out of Elemendorf AFB.
F-15B Chevy 28, 1st Lt. Lisa Monroe, wingman to Chevy 24, also performing aerial patrol over Alaska, out of Elemendorf AFB.
TU-95KM “Bear Charlie”, Reconnaissance bomber believed to be based out of SAF Aerodrome Provedenya.
IL-78 “Midas” Refueling tanker also believed to be based out of SAF Aerodrome Provedenya.
MIG-23MLA “Flogger Golf One” Escort fighter to Bear reconnaissance bomber and Midas tanker.
MIG-23MLA “Flogger Golf Two” Escort fighter and wingman to Flogger Golf One.
The audio transcript as recorded by the United States the day of the incident is as follows, with additional notes in parentheses.
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Watchtower 6: Unidentified four-ship aircraft formation at bearing Two-Two-Five, twelve miles west of Nome, this is Alaskan Air Command, please identify yourself and state your intentions.
(No reply from aircraft.)
Watchtower 6: Repeat, unidentified four-ship aircraft formation at bearing Two-Two-Five, ten miles west of Nome, this is Alaskan Air Command, please identify yourself and state your intentions, acknowledge.
(Still no reply from aircraft)
Watchtower 6: Chevy Two-Four, Chevy Two-Eight, this is Watchtower Six, how copy, over?
Chevy 24: Watchtower Six, this is Chevy Two-Four, we copy.
Watchtower 6: Chevy Two-Four, Chevy Two-Eight, we have four radar contacts at bearing Two-Two-Five, eight miles west of Nome, identification is Sierra Flight Five-Five-Eight-Nine. Turn to bearing three-three-zero northwest, descend to angels two-three for interception and visual identification, acknowledge.
Chevy 24: Watchtower Six, confirmed, turning to three-three-zero, descending to angels two-three.
(Timelapse 1 minute)
Chevy 28: Chevy Two-Four, I’ve got four bogies on my scope, approximately thirty miles out.
Chevy 24: Confirm Chevy Two-Eight, on my scope as well. Watchtower Six, we have confirmed radar contact with four bogies, about thirty miles out at bearing three-three-zero.
Watchtower Six: Confirmed Chevy Two-Four, weapons are to remain tight at this time, report positive identification of bogies in Sierra Flight Five-Five-Eight-Nine when in visual range, out.
(Timelapse 10 minutes)
Chevy 24: LT, I’ve got eyes on four red birds to our eleven o’clock?
Chevy 28: Copy that Cap, I see ‘em, looks like Ivan’s come to visit again.
Chevy 24: Watchtower Six, this is Chevy Two-Four, I have visual ID on Sierra Flight Five-Five-Eight-Nine, consisting of one TU-Nine-Five Bear-Charlie, one IL-Seven-Eight Midas, and two MIG-Two-Three Flogger Golfs, copy?
Watchtower Six: Chevy Two-Four, confirmed. Observe current ROE, squawk Soviet aircraft on international GUARD frequency, ask them to state their intentions and inform them that they have unlawfully entered U.S. airspace. Also inform them that they are to turn immediately to bearing two-four-zero and that you will escort them out of U.S. airspace.
Chevy 24: Ah, Roger that Watchtower Six. Attention Soviet aircraft to my nine-o’clock, this is callsign Chevy Two-Four of the 54th Fighter Squadron, 21st Fighter Wing, United States Air Force. Who am I addressing today?
TU-95KM “Bear Charlie”: American aircraft to our three o’clock, this is KM One-Five-Three-Eight of the Soviet Long Range Aviation Forces Command. Good day to you sir.
Chevy 24: Good day to you, ma’am. I am to inform you radar control Watchtower Six has attempted to hail you twice and has received no response, please state your intentions. Also, please be aware that you have unlawfully entered U.S. airspace.
TU-95KM “Bear Charlie”: Chevy Two-Four, sir, I have been instructed by my superiors to inform you that due to your many recent incursions into the sovereign airspace of the Soviet Union with your SR-71 reconnaissance flights, we now reserve the right to fly reconnaissance flights over your territory at will, over.
Chevy 24: Ah, KM One-Five-Three-Eight, respectfully ma’am, that’s a negative on your last statement, you are not authorized to continue flight over U.S. airspace. My superiors have instructed me to inform you, that you are to turn immediately to bearing two-four-zero and will be escorted out, acknowledge.
TU-95KM “Bear Charlie”: I am sorry, Chevy Two-Four, but my orders are specific.
Chevy 24: And so are mine, ma’am. I repeat, turn immediately to bearing two-four-zero or you risk further escalation, and I cannot guarantee your safety if you do.
(Background indecipherable chatter on GUARD frequency heard believed to belong to pilots of Soviet four-ship aircraft formation.)
Chevy 28: Cap, I’ve got movement from the Floggers, looks like they’re taking up position alongside us…hold on, I’ve got one moving to my three o’clock. Cap, I don’t like this.
Chevy 24: Yeah, I see it LT, got the other one moving to my nine o’clock, stay cool. KM One-Five-Three-Eight, why are your escorts moving into position so close to us? Tell them to back off, they’re too close.
TU-95KM “Bear Charlie”: Chevy Two-Four, my escorts wish to remind you of our orders, you will allow us to pass unheeded.
Chevy 24: Negative, ma’am, tell your escorts to back off now they’re…wait, what?
Chevy 28: Cap, these Floggers are trying to buzz us!
(More indecipherable chatter in Russian heard on GUARD frequency.)
Chevy 24: Attention all Soviet aircraft, this is my final warning, turn to bearing two-four-zero or…SHIT!
(Multiple klaxon alarms going off in Chevy 24’s cockpit.)
Chevy 28: Cap, what happened? Are you hit? Are you hit?!
Chevy 24: Trying to…oh fuck! Portside collision on my left wing, I’m in a spin! Trying to compensate!
Chevy 28: Watchtower Six, Chevy Two-Eight, Chevy Two-Four just had a collision with one of the Flogger’s, Chevy Two-Four’s in a spin, the Flogger lost its wing and falling out to sea!
Watchtower Six: Copy Chevy Two-Eight, alerting search and rescue, Chevy Two-Four, do you copy?
Chevy 24: This is Chevy Two-Four…increasing throttle…attempting to compensate. I’ve got control Watchtower Six, I’ve got control. I lost a third of my left wing but I’ve barely got control.
Chevy 28: Cap, that other Flogger’s moving to your six!
Chevy 24: What’s he doing back there LT? I can barely fly the plane!
Chevy 28: Watchtower Six, the other Flogger’s lining up on Chevy Two-Eight’s tail, I’m moving in behind him…I’ve got a clear shot, request clearance to fire, Watchtower Six!
Watchtower Six: Negative, Chevy Two-Eight, stand down, you are not authorized to engage, stand down immediately.
Chevy 28: Watchtower Six, one of these Floggers just kamikazed my flight leader and the other’s lined up on his six, I think he’s going to shoot! Request clearance to fire, let me take the shot!
Watchtower Six: Negative on your request Chevy Two-Eight, do not fire unless fired upon.
Chevy 24: This Flogger’s still on my tail, get him off!
Chevy 28: Watchtower Six, my wing leader’s lost a wing and this Flogger’s lined up to take a shot, give me clearance to fire now!
Watchtower Six: Chevy Two-Eight…Lt. Lisa Monroe, this is your squadron commander, stand down immediately, that is a direct order, do not fire!
(Timelapse 10 seconds)
Chevy 28: This is Chevy Two-Eight to all callsigns…the Flogger’s bugging out, so is the Bear Charlie and the Midas, looks like they’ve had enough fun for one day.
Chevy 24: Jesus, that’s a relief.
Watchtower Six: Copy that Chevy Two-Eight. Chevy Two-Four, what is your status?
Chevy 24: Watchtower Six, I’ve lost a third of my left wing and I’m losing hydraulic fluid and fuel, I’ve got control of the aircraft for now but I don’t know for how long, declaring an emergency, over.
Watchtower Six: Copy that Chevy Two-Four, bring your bird back to the barn at Elemendorf if you can, keep an eye on your fuel gauge, we will have emergency vehicles standing by. Additional interceptors are being launched now and will continue to monitor the area and Sierra Flight Five-Five-Eight-Nine’s egress from U.S. airspace. Chevy Two-Eight, stay with Chevy Two-Four and escort his plane back to the barn, Watchtower Six out.
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F-15B callsign Chevy 24 was able to safely land at Elmendorf, barely as his fuel was reaching bingo state. Pilots Captain Michael Kozlowski and Lt. Lisa Monroe underwent a formal inquiry by both the Safety Investigation Board and Accident Investigation Board, but neither were found to be at fault. It was concluded the Flogger pilot had been reckless and gotten too close to Capt. Kozlowski’s aircraft. The Soviet Flogger pilot in question, Senior Lt. Alexander Turgenev, successfully ejected out of the damaged Flogger and was recovered by U.S. Air Force Search and Rescue. He was then briefly interrogated before being handed off to a U.S. Coast Guard ship who turned over the pilot to a Soviet merchant marine vessel. Captain Galina Yahantov, who flew the TU-95 Bear reconnaissance bomber during the incident went on to fly additional missions during the ’88 War, performing reconnaissance and anti-shipping missions before being shot down by USN F-14 Tomcat fighters and was taken POW, only later choosing to stay in the United States after the war concluded. In a postwar interview, Captain Yahantov had this to say in regard to the mission that day:
I was told, “Captain Yahantov, it is time that we make a show of force to the Americans, and make them see that they do not reserve the right to meddle in our affairs nor overfly our country at will with their reconnaissance planes. You will perform the task assigned to you to the best of your abilities and do your duty.” And I performed my duty, a show of force was made, albeit the results were questionable at best. I had to, I was a loyal officer of the Soviet Union, you were severely punished or worse if you dared disobeyed, as I’m sure you are well familiar by now, no?
After the “July ’87 Bering Strait Incident” as it was known, intercepts of Soviet aircraft in the airspace of NATO and Western-aligned countries worldwide, including near Alaska continued, albeit more often with Soviet fighter escorts as the range permitted, with Western aircraft keeping a respectable distance from the Soviet aircraft. The nature of such interceptions, while an air of congeniality was maintained when possible, became more tense, another dire factor as the world further drifted toward the eventual outbreak of the Third World War.
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World War III: 1988
Addendum H: "The July ’87 Bering Strait Incident"
Although interceptions of Soviet bomber and reconnaissance aircraft over Alaskan airspace were common during the Cold War, particularly along the Distant Early Warning (DEW) Line, there was a noticeable uptick in detection of air incursions by Soviet aircraft beginning in February 1987. The “July ’87 Bering Strait Incident” was notable for the loss of a Soviet MIG-23MLA “Flogger G” as well as significant wing damage to a F-15B belonging to the 54th Fighter Squadron, that had just been activated in May 1987 as part of the 21st Tactical Fighter Wing. It was also notable as while Soviet bomber/reconnaissance aircraft had penetrated American and NATO airspace in the past, it had rarely ever done so with fighter aircraft escorts. The incident was reported worldwide and resulted in numerous accusations and several hearings on both sides, and further inflamed tensions between the United States and Soviet Union. The United States Air Force released a cut audio transcript several days after the incident to back it’s claims the Soviets had unlawfully violated their airspace and acted aggressively, while the Soviet Union released a suspected edited audio transcript which it claimed proved the Americans acted in aggression resulting in the loss of one of their aircraft. The complete American audio transcript was not released until after the ’88 War. The participants in the incident are listed as follows by their callsigns:
Watchtower 6: EW Radar Control, Alaskan Air Command responding to Soviet air incursion 10 miles west of EW radar site Nome, Alaska.
F-15B Chevy 24, Capt. Michael Kozlowski, performing aerial patrol over Alaska out of Elemendorf AFB.
F-15B Chevy 28, 1st Lt. Lisa Monroe, wingman to Chevy 24, also performing aerial patrol over Alaska, out of Elemendorf AFB.
TU-95KM “Bear Charlie”, Reconnaissance bomber believed to be based out of SAF Aerodrome Provedenya.
IL-78 “Midas” Refueling tanker also believed to be based out of SAF Aerodrome Provedenya.
MIG-23MLA “Flogger Golf One” Escort fighter to Bear reconnaissance bomber and Midas tanker.
MIG-23MLA “Flogger Golf Two” Escort fighter and wingman to Flogger Golf One.
The audio transcript as recorded by the United States the day of the incident is as follows, with additional notes in parentheses.
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Watchtower 6: Unidentified four-ship aircraft formation at bearing Two-Two-Five, twelve miles west of Nome, this is Alaskan Air Command, please identify yourself and state your intentions.
(No reply from aircraft.)
Watchtower 6: Repeat, unidentified four-ship aircraft formation at bearing Two-Two-Five, ten miles west of Nome, this is Alaskan Air Command, please identify yourself and state your intentions, acknowledge.
(Still no reply from aircraft)
Watchtower 6: Chevy Two-Four, Chevy Two-Eight, this is Watchtower Six, how copy, over?
Chevy 24: Watchtower Six, this is Chevy Two-Four, we copy.
Watchtower 6: Chevy Two-Four, Chevy Two-Eight, we have four radar contacts at bearing Two-Two-Five, eight miles west of Nome, identification is Sierra Flight Five-Five-Eight-Nine. Turn to bearing three-three-zero northwest, descend to angels two-three for interception and visual identification, acknowledge.
Chevy 24: Watchtower Six, confirmed, turning to three-three-zero, descending to angels two-three.
(Timelapse 1 minute)
Chevy 28: Chevy Two-Four, I’ve got four bogies on my scope, approximately thirty miles out.
Chevy 24: Confirm Chevy Two-Eight, on my scope as well. Watchtower Six, we have confirmed radar contact with four bogies, about thirty miles out at bearing three-three-zero.
Watchtower Six: Confirmed Chevy Two-Four, weapons are to remain tight at this time, report positive identification of bogies in Sierra Flight Five-Five-Eight-Nine when in visual range, out.
(Timelapse 10 minutes)
Chevy 24: LT, I’ve got eyes on four red birds to our eleven o’clock?
Chevy 28: Copy that Cap, I see ‘em, looks like Ivan’s come to visit again.
Chevy 24: Watchtower Six, this is Chevy Two-Four, I have visual ID on Sierra Flight Five-Five-Eight-Nine, consisting of one TU-Nine-Five Bear-Charlie, one IL-Seven-Eight Midas, and two MIG-Two-Three Flogger Golfs, copy?
Watchtower Six: Chevy Two-Four, confirmed. Observe current ROE, squawk Soviet aircraft on international GUARD frequency, ask them to state their intentions and inform them that they have unlawfully entered U.S. airspace. Also inform them that they are to turn immediately to bearing two-four-zero and that you will escort them out of U.S. airspace.
Chevy 24: Ah, Roger that Watchtower Six. Attention Soviet aircraft to my nine-o’clock, this is callsign Chevy Two-Four of the 54th Fighter Squadron, 21st Fighter Wing, United States Air Force. Who am I addressing today?
TU-95KM “Bear Charlie”: American aircraft to our three o’clock, this is KM One-Five-Three-Eight of the Soviet Long Range Aviation Forces Command. Good day to you sir.
Chevy 24: Good day to you, ma’am. I am to inform you radar control Watchtower Six has attempted to hail you twice and has received no response, please state your intentions. Also, please be aware that you have unlawfully entered U.S. airspace.
TU-95KM “Bear Charlie”: Chevy Two-Four, sir, I have been instructed by my superiors to inform you that due to your many recent incursions into the sovereign airspace of the Soviet Union with your SR-71 reconnaissance flights, we now reserve the right to fly reconnaissance flights over your territory at will, over.
Chevy 24: Ah, KM One-Five-Three-Eight, respectfully ma’am, that’s a negative on your last statement, you are not authorized to continue flight over U.S. airspace. My superiors have instructed me to inform you, that you are to turn immediately to bearing two-four-zero and will be escorted out, acknowledge.
TU-95KM “Bear Charlie”: I am sorry, Chevy Two-Four, but my orders are specific.
Chevy 24: And so are mine, ma’am. I repeat, turn immediately to bearing two-four-zero or you risk further escalation, and I cannot guarantee your safety if you do.
(Background indecipherable chatter on GUARD frequency heard believed to belong to pilots of Soviet four-ship aircraft formation.)
Chevy 28: Cap, I’ve got movement from the Floggers, looks like they’re taking up position alongside us…hold on, I’ve got one moving to my three o’clock. Cap, I don’t like this.
Chevy 24: Yeah, I see it LT, got the other one moving to my nine o’clock, stay cool. KM One-Five-Three-Eight, why are your escorts moving into position so close to us? Tell them to back off, they’re too close.
TU-95KM “Bear Charlie”: Chevy Two-Four, my escorts wish to remind you of our orders, you will allow us to pass unheeded.
Chevy 24: Negative, ma’am, tell your escorts to back off now they’re…wait, what?
Chevy 28: Cap, these Floggers are trying to buzz us!
(More indecipherable chatter in Russian heard on GUARD frequency.)
Chevy 24: Attention all Soviet aircraft, this is my final warning, turn to bearing two-four-zero or…SHIT!
(Multiple klaxon alarms going off in Chevy 24’s cockpit.)
Chevy 28: Cap, what happened? Are you hit? Are you hit?!
Chevy 24: Trying to…oh fuck! Portside collision on my left wing, I’m in a spin! Trying to compensate!
Chevy 28: Watchtower Six, Chevy Two-Eight, Chevy Two-Four just had a collision with one of the Flogger’s, Chevy Two-Four’s in a spin, the Flogger lost its wing and falling out to sea!
Watchtower Six: Copy Chevy Two-Eight, alerting search and rescue, Chevy Two-Four, do you copy?
Chevy 24: This is Chevy Two-Four…increasing throttle…attempting to compensate. I’ve got control Watchtower Six, I’ve got control. I lost a third of my left wing but I’ve barely got control.
Chevy 28: Cap, that other Flogger’s moving to your six!
Chevy 24: What’s he doing back there LT? I can barely fly the plane!
Chevy 28: Watchtower Six, the other Flogger’s lining up on Chevy Two-Eight’s tail, I’m moving in behind him…I’ve got a clear shot, request clearance to fire, Watchtower Six!
Watchtower Six: Negative, Chevy Two-Eight, stand down, you are not authorized to engage, stand down immediately.
Chevy 28: Watchtower Six, one of these Floggers just kamikazed my flight leader and the other’s lined up on his six, I think he’s going to shoot! Request clearance to fire, let me take the shot!
Watchtower Six: Negative on your request Chevy Two-Eight, do not fire unless fired upon.
Chevy 24: This Flogger’s still on my tail, get him off!
Chevy 28: Watchtower Six, my wing leader’s lost a wing and this Flogger’s lined up to take a shot, give me clearance to fire now!
Watchtower Six: Chevy Two-Eight…Lt. Lisa Monroe, this is your squadron commander, stand down immediately, that is a direct order, do not fire!
(Timelapse 10 seconds)
Chevy 28: This is Chevy Two-Eight to all callsigns…the Flogger’s bugging out, so is the Bear Charlie and the Midas, looks like they’ve had enough fun for one day.
Chevy 24: Jesus, that’s a relief.
Watchtower Six: Copy that Chevy Two-Eight. Chevy Two-Four, what is your status?
Chevy 24: Watchtower Six, I’ve lost a third of my left wing and I’m losing hydraulic fluid and fuel, I’ve got control of the aircraft for now but I don’t know for how long, declaring an emergency, over.
Watchtower Six: Copy that Chevy Two-Four, bring your bird back to the barn at Elemendorf if you can, keep an eye on your fuel gauge, we will have emergency vehicles standing by. Additional interceptors are being launched now and will continue to monitor the area and Sierra Flight Five-Five-Eight-Nine’s egress from U.S. airspace. Chevy Two-Eight, stay with Chevy Two-Four and escort his plane back to the barn, Watchtower Six out.
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F-15B callsign Chevy 24 was able to safely land at Elmendorf, barely as his fuel was reaching bingo state. Pilots Captain Michael Kozlowski and Lt. Lisa Monroe underwent a formal inquiry by both the Safety Investigation Board and Accident Investigation Board, but neither were found to be at fault. It was concluded the Flogger pilot had been reckless and gotten too close to Capt. Kozlowski’s aircraft. The Soviet Flogger pilot in question, Senior Lt. Alexander Turgenev, successfully ejected out of the damaged Flogger and was recovered by U.S. Air Force Search and Rescue. He was then briefly interrogated before being handed off to a U.S. Coast Guard ship who turned over the pilot to a Soviet merchant marine vessel. Captain Galina Yahantov, who flew the TU-95 Bear reconnaissance bomber during the incident went on to fly additional missions during the ’88 War, performing reconnaissance and anti-shipping missions before being shot down by USN F-14 Tomcat fighters and was taken POW, only later choosing to stay in the United States after the war concluded. In a postwar interview, Captain Yahantov had this to say in regard to the mission that day:
I was told, “Captain Yahantov, it is time that we make a show of force to the Americans, and make them see that they do not reserve the right to meddle in our affairs nor overfly our country at will with their reconnaissance planes. You will perform the task assigned to you to the best of your abilities and do your duty.” And I performed my duty, a show of force was made, albeit the results were questionable at best. I had to, I was a loyal officer of the Soviet Union, you were severely punished or worse if you dared disobeyed, as I’m sure you are well familiar by now, no?
After the “July ’87 Bering Strait Incident” as it was known, intercepts of Soviet aircraft in the airspace of NATO and Western-aligned countries worldwide, including near Alaska continued, albeit more often with Soviet fighter escorts as the range permitted, with Western aircraft keeping a respectable distance from the Soviet aircraft. The nature of such interceptions, while an air of congeniality was maintained when possible, became more tense, another dire factor as the world further drifted toward the eventual outbreak of the Third World War.
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Tiamat
I've seen the future...
To anyone wondering if an F-15 could in theory make it back home with a partial or complete loss of one of it's wings, I partially based the above scenario on an actual training incident that happened in Negev, Israel in 1983. Yes, this really did happen.
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The F-15's a pretty damn tough and capable bird. Also no coincidence it still holds an official record of over 100 air-to-air kills with no losses in aerial combat. Also, admittedly I may be a bit biased toward the Eagle as I did work on them too. 😎
Care to guess which aircraft earns the highest air-to-air kill ratio in the '88 War...?
1983 Negev mid-air collision - Wikipedia
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The F-15's a pretty damn tough and capable bird. Also no coincidence it still holds an official record of over 100 air-to-air kills with no losses in aerial combat. Also, admittedly I may be a bit biased toward the Eagle as I did work on them too. 😎
Care to guess which aircraft earns the highest air-to-air kill ratio in the '88 War...?
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E-3B AWACS, since all the birds it controls are technically its weapon systems.
*ducks for cover from the fighter pilot mafia*
*ducks for cover from the fighter pilot mafia*
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
HERETIC! BLASPHEMER!!!
The Power of AWACS compels you! The Power of AWACS compels you!
All your kills are belong to us!
All your kills are belong to us!
Tiamat
I've seen the future...
Okay...that just gave me an idea for something the USAFE does to troll the hell out of the Soviets when it goes down.
And you owe me a new monitor.