Woodrow Wilson Respect Thread

[Husky_Khan]

Highly renowned, retarded and respected Republican Scholar and Commentator David Frum has taken it upon himself to own the article of articles... To Uncancel Woodrow Wilson, tackling arguments criticizing him from the political Left and Right.





This seems like a great time to remember all of the... things Woodrow Wilson has done to be remembered. ❤️

 

[Captain X]

A racist asshole (even for his time) who insisted on segregating the military more than what it had been to that point, and a historical revisionist who helped sell the country on the "Lost Cause" myth and thought that Birth of a Nation represented truth. Not to mention the stuff with the Federal Reserve, and his post WWI nonsense. I hate him almost as much as Andrew Jackson.

 

[Abhorsen]

Yeah. It's him or Bucchanan for worst president ever.

 

[Cherico]

It took nearly a century to get the left to finally admit what a shitty person he was.

The man screwed up on a whole host of things, and a whole host of the problems plaguing america right now go back to his fuck ups. The man almost single handedly sent race relations back 30 fucking years. Think of all of the issues we have right now that simply would not exist if he had never gotten power.

The single best thing he ever did was die.

 

[ATP]

Worst thing he did - Fed.
He killed american Republic turning it into bankster state.Well,almost killed,USA still have chance to recover.

Polish point of viev - average poles think,that dude helped free poles in 1918 - but it is not true.He never wanted free Poland,but vassal Russia state.
That is why he never supported us in 1920 - we had american volunteers,but not american state help.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

As an Englishman, who is not of Europe but has ties to the continent, I think I speak on behalf of Europeans when I say “fuck this guy.”

 

[Blasterbot]

Yeah. It's him or Bucchanan for worst president ever.

Him. Bucchanan was mostly just a lame duck.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Buchanan is a fine example of a President deciding to barely deal with a situation despite being the Chief Agent of the United States whose explicit job is to serve said nation. Like if your elected President, you are supposed to deal with situations like... the potential fracturing of the United States. If you don't want to bear the responsibility, even for a single term, then don't bother running.

Woodrow Wilson was like his exact opposite, except maybe in Southern Confederate sympathies. Most everytime he used and expanded federal authority, it was deleterious.

 

[Buba]

he never supported us in 1920 - we had american volunteers,but not american state help.

By 1920 he was in Biden, Kaczyński or late Brezhnev territory.
And do not confuse the USA of 1920 with "world's policeman" USA of post WWII. Wilson - assuming he was still capable of any action - would be told by Congress to take a running leap off the cliff if he wanted to help e.g. Poland or Georgia.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Towards the end of Woodrow Wilson's presidency he actually had a quite serious stroke and it was his wife and other Advisors that were likely actually leading from the White House until his term was over.

So Woodrow Wilson actually gave precedence to the current and possible future Biden Presidency being legitimate regardless of mental capacity.

 

[Blasterbot]

Buchanan is a fine example of a President deciding to barely deal with a situation despite being the Chief Agent of the United States whose explicit job is to serve said nation. Like if your elected President, you are supposed to deal with situations like... the potential fracturing of the United States. If you don't want to bear the responsibility, even for a single term, then don't bother running.

Woodrow Wilson was like his exact opposite, except maybe in Southern Confederate sympathies. Most everytime he used and expanded federal authority, it was deleterious.

Not defending him at all. but he mostly just was trying to kick the hand grenade just a little further so it didn't blow up on him. no where near as bad as Wilson who fucked up everything he touched from the military to the fed to historical revisionism to pushing how america needs to be a shining beacon on the hill for the world to admire and how we need to fight to spread DEMOCRACY. I don't give out the 1/10 very often but he sets the bar for a 1 out of 10 president. hell I rate Biden a 2 for comparison.

 

[ATP]

By 1920 he was in Biden, Kaczyński or late Brezhnev territory.
And do not confuse the USA of 1920 with "world's policeman" USA of post WWII. Wilson - assuming he was still capable of any action - would be told by Congress to take a running leap off the cliff if he wanted to help e.g. Poland or Georgia.

Mostly true - but,american banksters still supported soviets then.We should remember Wall Street support for soviets,just like american volunteers.

Towards the end of Woodrow Wilson's presidency he actually had a quite serious stroke and it was his wife and other Advisors that were likely actually leading from the White House until his term was over.

So Woodrow Wilson actually gave precedence to the current and possible future Biden Presidency being legitimate regardless of mental capacity.

Just another reason to hate Wilson.

 

[Stargazer]

Towards the end of Woodrow Wilson's presidency he actually had a quite serious stroke and it was his wife and other Advisors that were likely actually leading from the White House until his term was over.

So Woodrow Wilson actually gave precedence to the current and possible future Biden Presidency being legitimate regardless of mental capacity.

The 25th Amendment is a thing that exists.

 

[Buba]

So Woodrow Wilson actually gave precedence to the current and possible future Biden Presidency being legitimate regardless of mental capacity.

Wasn't the same said about Reagan near the end of his 2nd term?

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Made the federal reserve, didn't keep us out of war, fumbled that war's peace with his idealism, alienated the opposition to the point they reject that peace and had to make a separate one, segregated the federal government, imprisoned his political opponents with the blatantly unconstitutional seditions act, single handedly contributed toward a resurgent KKK by displaying a showing the Birth of a Nation at the White House...

I legit can't think of any positive of the man.

 

[Cherico]

Made the federal reserve, didn't keep us out of war, fumbled that war's peace with his idealism, alienated the opposition to the point they reject that peace and had to make a separate one, segregated the federal government, imprisoned his political opponents with the blatantly unconstitutional seditions act, single handedly contributed toward a resurgent KKK by displaying a showing the Birth of a Nation at the White House...

I legit can't think of any positive of the man.

I can he died and became fertalizer for plants.

 

[Buba]

I can he died and became fertalizer for plants.

Not good enough for Soylent Green or Mountain Dew?

 

[ATP]

Made the federal reserve, didn't keep us out of war, fumbled that war's peace with his idealism, alienated the opposition to the point they reject that peace and had to make a separate one, segregated the federal government, imprisoned his political opponents with the blatantly unconstitutional seditions act, single handedly contributed toward a resurgent KKK by displaying a showing the Birth of a Nation at the White House...

I legit can't think of any positive of the man.

He died ?

 

[willdelve4beer]

Woodrow Wilson prefigured almost every horrible core aspect of the left today.

Racial essentialism? Check.
Segregration? Check.
Contempt for free speech? Check.
Contempt for freedom of association? Check.
Contempt for states? Check.
Contempt for religion? Check.
Contempt for tradition? Check.
Arrogance? Check.
Self congratulatory "idealism"? Check.
Open hostility towards any form of political, economic, or cultural opposition? Check.
Contempt for American exceptionalism and ideals? Check.
Contempt for the constitution? Check.
Eagerness to throw away American lives for 'internationalist' ideals? Check.
Eagerness to throw away American wealth for 'internationalist' ideals? Check.
Credentialism? Check.
Idolization of technocractic 'experts'? Check.
Contempt for the 'masses' / 'common man' / 'populism'? Check.
Contempt for the free market? Check.
Idolization of academics (granted, overlaps with credentialism and technocratic idealization)? Check.
Eagerness to expand administrative power to impose his beliefs on Americans? Check.
Eagerness to jail his political opponents? Check.


About the only aspect of modern Leftist ideology that Woodrow Wilson isn't on record as supporting is the modern obsession with celebrating (when not outright mandating) sexual abnormality. Given his background, I give it at least 50/50 that he was a supporter/indulger in such activities 'off the record'.


Woodrow Wilson was horrible, his policies were shit, his actions were worse, he was even horrible on a personal level, from available records. I'm probably only somewhat-distantly related to him, and I still believe that the world would have been better of if he had been stillborn.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

He died ?

Like Hitler he died too late for it to be a positive.

I can he died and became fertalizer for plants.

What plants? Can you point them out for me?

Contempt for tradition? Check.

Contempt for American exceptionalism and ideals? Check.

Contempt for religion? Check.

I harshly disagree with these three statements.

First Wilson was a traditionalist to an extent, he just cherry picked what he cared about and his entire shtick involving the fourteen points and second the concept of Wilsonism was based off the pre-conceived notion of America being the shining city on the hill and American exceptionalism. Third the man was undoubtedly religious his presbetarian philosophy defined him and his ideas in many ways as shown below.

The Religion of Woodrow Wilson · Woodrow Wilson Presidential Library & Museum, Staunton, Virginia

Wilson wasn't right wing but by leftist standards he definitely wouldn't be invited directly in their club house today and probably wasn't liked much by his peers at the time, the entire reason both Left and Right dunk on him these days is that Wilson's widely mood swinging ideology was so personally tied to him as an individual it wouldn't have become mainstream without him.

Also here is a video for people wishing to hear someone go more in depth.