"Woke" Franchises

[Certified_Heterosexual]

IDK. That looks to me like its just saying that, yes, black people can be racist too, and you should fight against racism regardless of whether or not it affects you, because some day it might.

That's an incredibly naiive opinion to have, and it is exactly why Amazon knows it'll be able to get away with such blatant propaganda.

I'm not a white nationalist, and personally think calling things "anti-white" is cringey and weak framing. But if there's anything in this world that can accurately be called "anti-white," IT'S THIS.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

And there's nothing wrong with this, in the context of the time. I mean, it was just a cool game with an unrealistically competent protagonist, just like many others. On the other hand, if Lara Croft was a new thing, first being released now, the writers would screw up the game by adding a ton of heavy handed bullshit about how great it is that a female character is doing this, and how woke it is, etc, with wokeness baked into the games core. See for example TLOU, which released an M rated DLC about a young teen's sexuality. Sorta creepy.

Honestly, I think they'd be trying to repeatedly go on about how "revolutionary and new" it all is

And keep going on about men trying to keep her down and such

At some point it all stops being "unique" like so many isekai stuff

 

[ParadiseLost]

And there's nothing wrong with this, in the context of the time. I mean, it was just a cool game with an unrealistically competent protagonist, just like many others. On the other hand, if Lara Croft was a new thing, first being released now, the writers would screw up the game by adding a ton of heavy handed bullshit about how great it is that a female character is doing this, and how woke it is, etc, with wokeness baked into the games core. See for example TLOU, which released an M rated DLC about a young teen's sexuality. Sorta creepy.

See, I disagree with you about TLOU's DLC. For one, what does it matter that its M-rated? Its a shooter, of course its M-rated.

And its backstory. Its not really about Ellie and Riley's sexuality - if Riley was a guy, would anyone be taking about how its about Ellie's sexuality? Of course not. I doubt most people who have a problem with the DLC would still have a problem with it if Riley was a white guy, because its only about Ellie's "sexuality" because she's a lesbian.

Like seriously, there are movies or books that have 14 year olds kissing all the time. Its all normal behavior for a 14 year old. Nobody cares then, nobody should care now.

I also really doubt that Lara Croft would be made that way if it was a new thing.

Honestly, most modern female protagonist games are the exact opposite of "wokeness backed into the games core." If I arrange my Steam library by female protagonist and latest release date....

I get Republique VR, Bright Memory, Neoverse, Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice, Yume Nikki, Reigns: Her Majesty, Time Recoil, Shuyan Saga, Mages of Mystralia, Nier Automata, Tales of Berseria, The Turing Test, Goetia.....

This is just a sampling, but all of these are recent games with female protagonists and none of them scream "woke" to me.

Now, the game "Star Crossed" does look kinda woke, but its an Indie Game from this year and I have no idea where I got it. Same with "Neo Cab." Maybe even "Life is Strange," is woke, I dunno, I haven't played it yet but I'll be playing it soon.

But games like that are very much the minority.

 

[Bear Ribs]

See, I disagree with you about TLOU's DLC. For one, what does it matter that its M-rated? Its a shooter, of course its M-rated.

And its backstory. Its not really about Ellie and Riley's sexuality - if Riley was a guy, would anyone be taking about how its about Ellie's sexuality? Of course not. I doubt most people who have a problem with the DLC would still have a problem with it if Riley was a white guy, because its only about Ellie's "sexuality" because she's a lesbian.

Like seriously, there are movies or books that have 14 year olds kissing all the time. Its all normal behavior for a 14 year old. Nobody cares then, nobody should care now.

I also really doubt that Lara Croft would be made that way if it was a new thing.

Honestly, most modern female protagonist games are the exact opposite of "wokeness backed into the games core." If I arrange my Steam library by female protagonist and latest release date....

I get Republique VR, Bright Memory, Neoverse, Hellblade Senua's Sacrifice, Yume Nikki, Reigns: Her Majesty, Time Recoil, Shuyan Saga, Mages of Mystralia, Nier Automata, Tales of Berseria, The Turing Test, Goetia.....

This is just a sampling, but all of these are recent games with female protagonists and none of them scream "woke" to me.

Now, the game "Star Crossed" does look kinda woke, but its an Indie Game from this year and I have no idea where I got it. Same with "Neo Cab." Maybe even "Life is Strange," is woke, I dunno, I haven't played it yet but I'll be playing it soon.

But games like that are very much the minority.

That's probably because you buy good games from Steam instead of seeking out the woke ones. Your sample isn't representative.

Most "woke" games die pretty fast because they're rarely actual games. They tend towards extremely easy gameplay (everybody gets a trophy), being mostly story with few game elements in the first place (the message comes first), and usually are popular with the critics and disfavored by actual players. I find a majority of them are visual novel type games because that lets them make a game that's all story with no gameplay and often no real choices at all leading to everybody winning.

A lot of stuff gets called Woke when I don't think it deserves it. Take the art direction to have smaller breasts on females is sometimes just how the artist has decided to go, not an attack on male gamers. Of games I think are woke, I might nominate:

“Borders” Indie Game/ Art Installation

Check out the official Website at: www.bordersgame.com GAMEPLAY TRAILER Borders is a game I designed about the hardships immigrants face crossing the Border. The game was inspired by the stories m…

gonzzink.com

For games not meant to be entirely political statements, perhaps Butterfly Soup.

Butterfly Soup by Brianna Lei

Gay girls playing baseball and falling in love

brianna-lei.itch.io

 

[ParadiseLost]

That's probably because you buy good games from Steam instead of seeking out the woke ones. Your sample isn't representative.

Most "woke" games die pretty fast because they're rarely actual games. They tend towards extremely easy gameplay (everybody gets a trophy), being mostly story with few game elements in the first place (the message comes first), and usually are popular with the critics and disfavored by actual players. I find a majority of them are visual novel type games because that lets them make a game that's all story with no gameplay and often no real choices at all leading to everybody winning.

A lot of stuff gets called Woke when I don't think it deserves it. Take the art direction to have smaller breasts on females is sometimes just how the artist has decided to go, not an attack on male gamers. Of games I think are woke, I might nominate:

“Borders” Indie Game/ Art Installation

Check out the official Website at: www.bordersgame.com GAMEPLAY TRAILER Borders is a game I designed about the hardships immigrants face crossing the Border. The game was inspired by the stories m…

gonzzink.com

For games not meant to be entirely political statements, perhaps Butterfly Soup.

Butterfly Soup by Brianna Lei

Gay girls playing baseball and falling in love

brianna-lei.itch.io

Those aren't really remotely representative of the games industry, though; they're indie games with a very niche audience. Itchio is way less relevant than people pretend it is, and it only ever grew to the extent it has because Steam charges $100 to publish games on their platform now. (In an attempt to curb the shovelware some).

My games may not be representative of games as a whole (even though I don't believe that for a second), but they are much more representative of games most people actually play, and therefore much more representative of the actual state of the games industry.

I honestly think you're taking Itchio way too seriously. Its a smaller website not even really relevant in the wider scale of the video games industry.

 

[Certified_Heterosexual]

Today I learned that the Left has its own blackpill brigade and it’s crazy as a shithouse rat:

And they’re putting AIDS in your chicken nuggets and turning everyone in the Castro straight with 5G towers!

 

[ParadiseLost]

Today I learned that the Left has its own blackpill brigade and it’s crazy as a shithouse rat:



And they’re putting AIDS in your chicken nuggets and turning everyone in the Castro straight with 5G towers!

Does that really have anything to do with wokeness in Franchises specifically?

 

[Certified_Heterosexual]

Does that really have anything to do with wokeness in Franchises specifically?

Not really, but there really weren't any threads that really fit it. Feel free to move it somewhere more appropriate.

 

[ParadiseLost]

Not really, but there really weren't any threads that really fit it.

That's when you make a new thread.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Those aren't really remotely representative of the games industry, though; they're indie games with a very niche audience. Itchio is way less relevant than people pretend it is, and it only ever grew to the extent it has because Steam charges $100 to publish games on their platform now. (In an attempt to curb the shovelware some).

My games may not be representative of games as a whole (even though I don't believe that for a second), but they are much more representative of games most people actually play, and therefore much more representative of the actual state of the games industry.

I honestly think you're taking Itchio way too seriously. Its a smaller website not even really relevant in the wider scale of the video games industry.

I know they're not representative, I pointing out what I regard as actual woke games, and explaining why I don't think the likes of Nier:Automaton counts. Just having a female character doesn't remotely make a game woke in my mind.

 

[ParadiseLost]

I know they're not representative, I pointing out what I regard as actual woke games, and explaining why I don't think the likes of Nier:Automaton counts. Just having a female character doesn't remotely make a game woke in my mind.

I never suggested Nier:Autamata was woke.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I never suggested Nier:Autamata was woke.

You know, I don't think I've seen SJWs have a problem with NiER Automata at all

 

[Argent]

Not really? Lara Croft, I think, is a lot more representative of the average "strong female character" than anything you're describing.

I generally look to how they advertise the movie, book or t.v Show. The more time they spend on it's a strong women and girl power the worst it comes out.


So there are tons of charaters that are strong women like Croft. But they tend to be overlooked becasue the general focus is on the plot while the strong women charaters that @Terthna talks about just get more notice snice they are the nail that sticks up.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I generally look to how they advertise the movie, book or t.v
Show. The more time they spend on it's a strong women and gril power the worst it comes out.


So there are tons of charaters they are strong women like Croft. But they tend to be overlooked becasue the general focus is on the plot while the strong women charaters that @Terthna talks about just get more notice snice they are the nail that sticks up.

Yeah, basically, the creators and marketers are trying to make a big deal out of their character being female

Probably in a “man’s world” and acting as if they’re really fucking special

Also, going on about said “man’s world, I’m being looked down on by those shits” as a sort of possible plot point in the piece of entertainment itself

May include also purposely uglifying or making the female character more dude like or androgynous and covered up, for “more respect” and possibly expecting or wishing to purposely invoke a response in order for the creators and marketers to get points for standing up to the nerds and stuff

 

[ParadiseLost]

That's an incredibly naiive opinion to have, and it is exactly why Amazon knows it'll be able to get away with such blatant propaganda.

I'm not a white nationalist, and personally think calling things "anti-white" is cringey and weak framing. But if there's anything in this world that can accurately be called "anti-white," IT'S THIS.

Meh, whatever crimes it commits won't be as bad as whatever terrible handwave they come up with to excuse the alt history.

I generally look to how they advertise the movie, book or t.v Show. The more time they spend on it's a strong women and girl power the worst it comes out.


So there are tons of charaters that are strong women like Croft. But they tend to be overlooked becasue the general focus is on the plot while the strong women charaters that @Terthna talks about just get more notice snice they are the nail that sticks up.

Like who, though? Who actually fits the sort of description he's suggesting?

Yeah, basically, the creators and marketers are trying to make a big deal out of their character being female

Probably in a “man’s world” and acting as if they’re really fucking special

Also, going on about said “man’s world, I’m being looked down on by those shits” as a sort of possible plot point in the piece of entertainment itself

Seriously, who?

May include also purposely uglifying or making the female character more dude like or androgynous and covered up, for “more respect” and possibly expecting or wishing to purposely invoke a response in order for the creators and marketers to get points for standing up to the nerds and stuff

Get points for standing up to the nerds? What nerds though?

On that note, I actually like androgynous tomboys, but I do mean actually androgynous tomboys, not masculine lesbians; and if you spend an hour in the morning to look the way you do, you aren't a fucking tomboy.

But hey, if I go any further I'm going to start ranting about what I consider attractive, and nobody cares about that, not even me.

 

[Argent]

Like who, though? Who actually fits the sort of description he's suggesting?

I would say America Chavez from the Marvel comic is a good example also Sandra Bullock's character in Ocean 8 fits too. You can also see in shows like CW's Motherland: Fort Salem or Batwomen.

Granted I agree that you are right about most being more like Lara Croft or Princess Kida instead of ones like Chavez. But they are the ones that people remember becasue a mix of they are bad, confirmation bias, and the focus of how the work is presented.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Today I learned that the Left has its own blackpill brigade and it’s crazy as a shithouse rat:

And they’re putting AIDS in your chicken nuggets and turning everyone in the Castro straight with 5G towers!

I did read it. That the French deconstructionists were backed by the CIA. As a way of displacing Orthodox Marxism. Which the CIA understands is the real threat to the capitalist order.

Which kind of makes sense? If you buy the idea that right theory is important for revolutionary praxis. Orthodox Marxism isn't interested in identity, the identarian left has no fundamental reason to oppose the CIA or capitalist imperialism and misaddresses the causes and solutions.

I mean...like I guess? If the risk of revolution in the west was a real thing. I could see why the CIA would want to divert leftist academia away from traditional Marxism. It requires you believe Marxism will actually work and the possibility of a Soviet uprising in the west was/is possible.

 

[ParadiseLost]

I would say America Chavez from the Marvel comic is a good example also Sandra Bullock's character in Ocean 8 fits too. You can also see in shows like CW's Motherland: Fort Salem or Batwomen.

I think this kinda makes my point for me. Ocean's 8 was something nobody asked for and few liked.

America Chavez is a minor comic series and well... comics themselves aren't doing so good. The last few bookstores I've been in, the manga section has always been at least twice as large as the comic section, sometimes far larger.

The reality is that most comic book influence today is felt through movies and shows derived from comic books.

Fort Salem had 460,000 people watch the series premier and 313,000 watch the series finale. However only about 250,000 people watched episodes 7-9 leading up to the finale.

Freeform (the channel Motherland is on, its not on CW) is such a shitty channel that maintaining that sort of viewership was actually enough to get Motherland a second season, but it wouldn't have gotten a second season on an actual quality channel.

Batwoman more than halved its viewership from premier to finale, so that's another flop.

All of these are fairly culturally irrelevant.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I'm not sure how much of what I'm going to say is against the local popular grain or not, but I didn't actually mine CM that much and I thought BP was straight up a good film. With CM I thought it was an enjoyable buddy cop comic book fic and Nick fury actually did a wonderful job balancing out CM's stoic behavior. Yeah Bree's personality is 2nd hand dish water, but she's as much captain marvel as Chris Evans is Captain America (The guy's like the polar oppisite of the kind of person captain America is.) Black Panther was a straight up good film though if the wakanda hastag trends were anything to go by, I think the film's message was the exact opposite of the one people wanted it to be.

People forgot killmonger was the BAD guy.

 

[ParadiseLost]

I'm not sure how much of what I'm going to say is against the local popular grain or not, but I didn't actually mine CM that much and I thought BP was straight up a good film. With CM I thought it was an enjoyable buddy cop comic book fic and Nick fury actually did a wonderful job balancing out CM's stoic behavior. Yeah Bree's personality is 2nd hand dish water, but she's as much captain marvel as Chris Evans is Captain America (The guy's like the polar oppisite of the kind of person captain America is.) Black Panther was a straight up good film though if the wakanda hastag trends were anything to go by, I think the film's message was the exact opposite of the one people wanted it to be.

People forgot killmonger was the BAD guy.

CM isn't really woke or bad or anything, its just boring and does a couple of stupid things like having a cat take out Nick Fury's eye and having CM be the source of the Avengers name.

Black Panther was a good movie, yes.