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Terthna

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I'm sorry. Is THIS supposed to be the guy who looked at DARTH VADER and said "Nah, still good in you, not killing you no way no how".

REALLY?
No, it isn't; and that was the point. Rian Johnson's stated goal in film-making has always been to stoke controversy; the ideal reaction in his mind to any of his films, would be for half the audience to love it, while the other half despises it. He is not in the business of making movies to tell a story; he is in it to watch the world burn, while he laps up your attention.
 

CarlManvers2019

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I stopped watching back during season 3, when the writing quality suddenly took a nosedive; and from what I've heard, it got worse from there. The only designs that matter to me, much like everything else involving the show, are what we saw in the first two seasons.

Honestly, I get there are supposed to be changes with timeskips in appearance, but I really didn't like Yang's new pants look, could already tell she was gonna cover up even more
 

CarlManvers2019

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@ShadowsOfParadox it was fairly explicit that Star Wars was trying to win a worldwide minority audience as part of a growth plan that corporate Disney had which discounted the existing fanbase as being relevant.

And Mark Hamil looks to be okay with that if him going "GOFORCEYOURSELF" or something to Trump's family(not Trump himself)is anything to go by, guess the only thing he disliked is the handling of him and the old guard's role in TLJ.

Mark Hamil was playing Mark Hamil when he almost tried to kill Ben/Ren, I guess

Man, Hollywood really probably IS the result of years of Soviet Union funding and its infested those after even when they gave up on Socialism/Communism for a sort of compromise with Capitalism
 
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And Mark Hamil looks to be okay with that if him going "GOFORCEYOURSELF" or something to Trump's family(not Trump himself)is anything to go by, guess the only thing he disliked is the handling of him and the old guard's role in TLJ.

Mark Hamil was playing Mark Hamil when he almost tried to kill Ben/Ren, I guess

Man, Hollywood really probably IS the result of years of Soviet Union funding and its infested those after even when they gave up on Socialism/Communism for a sort of compromise with Capitalism

Lots of left-wingers are anti-SJW but still also anti-Trump because of their strong left-wing economic beliefs which are at odds with the SJW movement. Hamill could just as easily be one of them.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Lots of left-wingers are anti-SJW but still also anti-Trump because of their strong left-wing economic beliefs which are at odds with the SJW movement. Hamill could just as easily be one of them.

One day, they'll be calling each other Nazi's and even their candidates Nazi's and be so confused that they'll just randomly vote for anyone who's not "Right-Wing"
 

Darth Robbhi

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I'm sorry. Is THIS supposed to be the guy who looked at DARTH VADER and said "Nah, still good in you, not killing you no way no how".

REALLY?
He also completely lost it in the light saber fight with Vader, culminating in the last series of vicious slices that cut off Vader's hand.

Palpatine chuckling at what Luke did, and exhorting Luke to kill Vader, turn dark, and become Palpatine's apprentice is what snapped Luke out of it.

If anything, the original three movies are full of Luke caught up in emotions and making poor decisions. So him making a stupid decision, going "oh shit," and snapping out of it is not implausible.
 

Cyan Saiyajin

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Mark Hamil actually hated Luke's character in the new movie and honestly you don't have to not have TDS in order to hate the new movies. Even many of the left crowd hated TLJ and some of the movies.

Hamil is still a jackass for some of the stuff he did, like yelling at Trump's grandkids for dressing up in star wars costumes but he also hated the new movies iirc.
 

Darth Robbhi

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Mark Hamil actually hated Luke's character in the new movie and honestly you don't have to not have TDS in order to hate the new movies. Even many of the left crowd hated TLJ and some of the movies.

Hamil is still a jackass for some of the stuff he did, like yelling at Trump's grandkids for dressing up in star wars costumes but he also hated the new movies iirc.
There's a lot to hate. You pretty much have to be an iconoclast to like The Last Jedi, while The Force Awakens is firmly rooted in the whole Hollywood "nostalgia is solid money, so just recast old stories with new actors and change the lines a bit." Which I absolutely despise. I've been rewatching a lot of the old 60s and 70s shows, like Mission: Impossible (which is gold) or M*A*S*H, and they absolutely should not be remade. You can't. It's why I hate JJ Abrams' Star Trek. You do it right, once, and walk away.

That's doubly important when you've left so much to the imagination through books. Given how many works and how much imagination fans threw into what happened after Death Star II: Electric Boogaloo went kaboomy, sequels were a bloody minefield. Especially clean slate ones. Everybody had their own vision of post-Endor, and there's so much great stuff (and awful stuff) in the EU, lots of folks were gonna be dissatisfied unles Star Wars VII, VIII and IX were Timothy Zahn's Thrawn Trilogy. Living up to the hype was going to be very hard. Disney would have been much wiser sticking to Rogue One-esque gapfillers. Though Disney did blow that with the Vader fan-service and the whole Tantive IV at Scarif bit, when they absolutely could have had a Secret Agent Sith, 00-Vader spy movie in space covering Scarif to Tattoine.

That would have been spectacular.
 
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Darth Robbhi

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Heck, the old X-wing games turned the entire hunt for the plans for the Death Star into a campaign.
TIE Fighter. So much gold there. I love me some TIE Defender. Especially in LEGO.

That's the beauty of Star Wars themed role playing and tabletop miniatures too. Sky is the limit, and so many great adventures where the imagination of the players comes to the fore.
 

CarlManvers2019

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TIE Fighter. So much gold there. I love me some TIE Defender. Especially in LEGO.

That's the beauty of Star Wars themed role playing and tabletop miniatures too. Sky is the limit, and so many great adventures where the imagination of the players comes to the fore.

Haven’t gotten into the Star Wars Expanded Universe, but it’s frankly amazing how much worldbuilding the wiki shows it has

Kind of a shame that to make the sequels they declared the first non-canon or something

Speaking of the sequels, even Lefties hating The Last Jedi? Didn’t see that on SB? One guy, lightdreaming or something unironically believed the whole ONLY Alt-Right hated the movie
 

Darth Robbhi

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Haven’t gotten into the Star Wars Expanded Universe, but it’s frankly amazing how much worldbuilding the wiki shows it has

Kind of a shame that to make the sequels they declared the first non-canon or something
It makes sense if you think you can remove all competition and thus induce people to pour money into your venture.
 

Terthna

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Haven’t gotten into the Star Wars Expanded Universe, but it’s frankly amazing how much worldbuilding the wiki shows it has

Kind of a shame that to make the sequels they declared the first non-canon or something
Think of it like this; thanks to Disney making the Expanded Universe non-canon, it isn't tainted by what the franchise as a whole has become.
 

Darth Robbhi

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It helps that most people only know of the movies

Even when it comes to say, Marvel, people mostly only know the Movies
Then there's the Games Workshop "model" (I dunno if it's their actual business model, but a lot of people think it's their model, so it works to illustrate the point): the money sunk by converts you hook and convince to buy your product is more than the money you lost by disillusioning your existing customer base.

Especially if your people sense you want to hear that, and telling you what you want to hear is a better route to money than telling you that you're smoking crack.

Unfortunately, we're in a world that is increasingly zero sum - or thought to be zero sum - where you have to pick which customers you will make happy, and which you will piss off, because the Twitterati won't let you sell to everyone.
 

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