Why get married

[Stargazer]

Oh come on man, the living conditions have nothing to do with what makes a good person, being good is in my opinion an objective thing. My point is that a lot of people, if not a majority, are not good people. And that is why living conditions suck.
Good people make good environments, bad people make bad environments. Outside is bad, so do the maths.

That's kind of an incoherent answer. "Living conditions have nothing to do with what makes a good person", but "good people make good environments"? Sounds like good environments (living conditions) do have something to do with what makes a good person.

And that answer just raises the question, what makes a "good environment"? Suppose someone believes that Sodom and Gomorrah were actually good environments, and works towards making their environment like Sodom and Gomorrah. Is that person a "good person" for doing that? If you were to say no because Sodom and Gomorrah were not in fact good environments, what makes you correct and the other person wrong?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

A<B
But not A>B
Good people can exist in a bad environment, but bad people will not create a good environment. This discussion is getting plain silly.

 

[Stargazer]

A<B
But not A>B
Good people can exist in a bad environment, but bad people will not create a good environment. This discussion is getting plain silly.

It was silly of you to ask for people to behave in a certain way.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Pffft, silly to ask for people not to be bad people. Endless people have asked for exactly that. Maybe we'd be in a better position if people listened for a change haha.

 

[Stargazer]

Pffft, silly to ask for people not to be bad people. Endless people have asked for exactly that. Maybe we'd be in a better position if people listened for a change haha.

It's silly for you to ask for people not to be "bad people" when you have no actual standard for what "bad" or "good" actually mean.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

It's silly for you to ask for people not to be "bad people" when you have no actual standard for what "bad" or "good" actually mean.

That's a fun game to play, you have no standards either by my arbitrary rules.

 

[Stargazer]

That's a fun game to play, you have no standards either by my arbitrary rules.

I do have standards, and I can explain them to you if you're interested. It's not arbitrary to expect someone to be able to define their terms.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Here is a question. What is good and why do you even want to be good?

 

[colorles]

Here is a question. What is good and why do you even want to be good?

being a "good person" evolved as a way to help individuals fit in to groups. but the notion of being a "good person" only even matters from an evolutionary standpoint amongst individuals or groups of relatively equal power and stature. people did not evolve to be "good for the sake of being good".

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

being a "good person" evolved as a way to help individuals fit in to groups. but the notion of being a "good person" only even matters from an evolutionary standpoint amongst individuals or groups of relatively equal power and stature. people did not evolve to be "good for the sake of being good".

So...why care?

 

[Stargazer]

So...why care?

The question that evolutionary biology can't answer. About anything.

Sure, it can try to explain why people have cared, historically. But just because people have cared in the past doesn't mean an individual ought to care in the present. Evolutionary biology can't present a reason for anyone individually to care about anything beyond their own material wants and desires. It can't turn its observations into an "ought to".

 

[Zachowon]

I was 23 when I got married. So nearly two years ago now.
We are expecting our first child this year.

We met online, and through thick and thin we have worked out any issues we have because we truly love each other.

And I am not really religious, but that hasn't stopped my wife and I from adhering to the morales and values put upon our nation due to the Christian inheritance and founding and how we were raised.

Finding love to marry someone isn't something that can really be described in a sense of how can you tell if they are fit for marriage and all if that.
But in the sense of you feel the connection that will lead to marriage and a family.

 

[Wilykit]

Having raised the number of children I have I've seen a lot of the modern dating scene. I don't blame young men (or women) for being frightened or jaded by the dating scene. I don't know what the answer is but I do know that looking on social media or Tinder or whatever isn't the way to go. The Internet is a toxic hellscape and you'll find nothing of value there. I'm a big believer in looking for people of value in church that's where I found my husband my oldest son found his wife and believe it or not my oldest daughter found her wife at church. I'd say also find an outdoors hobby something that makes you happy it will keep you occupied and if you're in a better headspace I believe you'll find more women will notice you. I apologize if this comes off as rambling but it's how I feel.

Edit: I meant my 2nd oldest daughter. My oldest would be rather surprised to find out she's married to a woman.

 

[DarthOne]

Having raised the number of children I have I've seen a lot of the modern dating scene. I don't blame young men (or women) for being frightened or jaded by the dating scene. I don't know what the answer is but I do know that looking on social media or Tinder or whatever isn't the way to go. The Internet is a toxic hellscape and you'll find nothing of value there. I'm a big believer in looking for people of value in church that's where I found my husband my oldest son found his wife and believe it or not my oldest daughter found her wife at church. I'd say also find an outdoors hobby something that makes you happy it will keep you occupied and if you're in a better headspace I believe you'll find more women will notice you. I apologize if this comes off as rambling but it's how I feel.

Agreed, I’d even say that…

Wait a second.

my oldest daughter found her wife at church.

 

[Wilykit]

Agreed, I’d even say that…

Wait a second.

Well.....,she did. It was also my 2nd oldest not my oldest.

 

[Stargazer]

Well.....,she did. It was also my 2nd oldest not my oldest.

You're not talking about marriage as I was talking about in the OP, then.

 

[Wilykit]

You're not talking about marriage as I was talking about in the OP, then.

I did also mention that I met my husband and my oldest son met his wife at church.

 

[DarthOne]

I did also mention that I met my husband and my oldest son met his wife at church.

Which we aren’t objecting to.

 

[Stargazer]

I did also mention that I met my husband and my oldest son met his wife at church.

My point stands. If you include your daughter's relationship with a woman when you talk about "marriage", you aren't talking about the same thing I'm talking about.

 

[colorles]

Having raised the number of children I have I've seen a lot of the modern dating scene. I don't blame young men (or women) for being frightened or jaded by the dating scene. I don't know what the answer is but I do know that looking on social media or Tinder or whatever isn't the way to go. The Internet is a toxic hellscape and you'll find nothing of value there. I'm a big believer in looking for people of value in church that's where I found my husband my oldest son found his wife and believe it or not my oldest daughter found her wife at church. I'd say also find an outdoors hobby something that makes you happy it will keep you occupied and if you're in a better headspace I believe you'll find more women will notice you. I apologize if this comes off as rambling but it's how I feel.

Edit: I meant my 2nd oldest daughter. My oldest would be rather surprised to find out she's married to a woman.

Real life and the internet are becoming increasingly more intertwined and one and the same with every passing moment. entire generations are being raised where the line between real life and the internet is practically non-existent.

Nevertheless, I still agree with you that meeting people in person is preferable to online. you can feel a persons energy and presence, in a way that an online picture and brief description cannot convey.

My point stands. If you include your daughter's relationship with a woman when you talk about "marriage", you aren't talking about the same thing I'm talking about.

A wise Romanian man once told me: "let them be lesbian, is better than be gay"

Nevertheless, I will also agree with you. Actual, religious marriage is a very different thing from these modern government cuck contracts people sign today.