Why get married

[Stargazer]

A wise Romanian man once told me: "let them be lesbian, is better than be gay"

Nevertheless, I will also agree with you. Actual, religious marriage is a very different thing from these modern government cuck contracts people sign today.

I'm not sure you comprehend what you think you're agreeing with.

 

[colorles]

I'm not sure you comprehend what you think you're agreeing with.

Ok, then I'll just say it: actual, religious marriage is between a man and a woman. in some cultures it's a man and many women. but either way, the entire purpose is to raise a family.

With that said, I'll also say this: if females want to get intimate with each other, I don't really care. it is natural, harem forming behavior for them. it is not marriage though.

 

[Poe]

Ok, then I'll just say it: actual, religious marriage is between a man and a woman. in some cultures it's a man and many women. but either way, the entire purpose is to raise a family.

With that said, I'll also say this: if females want to get intimate with each other, I don't really care. it is natural, harem forming behavior for them. it is not marriage though.

I would say that a man and many women is also not an actual marriage and is not the way human societies are meant to be ran. Men and women both serve a purpose in society, and inside the family, and just like same sex marriage polygamy is a belittlement of marriage as an ancient institution between a man and a woman.

 

[King Arts]

I would say that a man and many women is also not an actual marriage and is not the way human societies are meant to be ran. Men and women both serve a purpose in society, and inside the family, and just like same sex marriage polygamy is a belittlement of marriage as an ancient institution between a man and a woman.

But the ancient institution of marriage does include polygamy. Like kings in the Old Testament had many wives good kings even like Solomon and David. Heck even Jacob.

If he was not married to both Leah and Rachel which one was the “real” wife?

 

[Poe]

But the ancient institution of marriage does include polygamy. Like kings in the Old Testament had many wives good kings even like Solomon and David. Heck even Jacob.

If he was not married to both Leah and Rachel which one was the “real” wife?

Solomon and David are considered sinners for this and the Torah itself states as much

"Moreover, he shall not multiply horses for himself, nor shall he cause the people to return to Egypt to multiply horses, since the LORD has said to you, 'You shall never again return that way.' (17) "He shall not multiply wives for himself, or else his heart will turn away; nor shall he greatly increase silver and gold for himself. - Deuteronomy 17:16-17

Jacob it's harder to say, but like Abraham and a few others in Genesis we can write it off as pre-Mosaic law. It was definitely considered out of the norm.

 

[King Arts]

Solomon and David are considered sinners for this and the Torah itself states as much

Jacob it's harder to say, but like Abraham and a few others in Genesis we can write it off as pre-Mosaic law. It was definitely considered out of the norm.

The text and narrative does not treat it as that. David was sinful for killing another man to take his wife not the many wives he had before Bathsheba. Solomon was wrong for allowing and joining his wives in idol worship not having multiple wives.

The correct translation is the king will not have an excess of wives.

 

[Poe]

The text and narrative does not treat it as that. David was sinful for killing another man to take his wife not the many wives he had before Bathsheba. Solomon was wrong for allowing and joining his wives in idol worship not having multiple wives.

The correct translation is the king will not have an excess of wives.

There are frankly tons of biblical passages which call for marriage being one man and one woman[1], especially in the new testament. Anyway, you can have your opinion while I, and most of the world outside of the Arabs, are allowed to disagree with it.

1. Why did God allow polygamy / bigamy in the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

 

[TheRejectionist]

Arab men don't do more than one marriage as before. Firstly because most people who can afford it are Saudis. Second, when you date Arab girls it's like you are dating MENA latinas. Thirdly because women now did start to notice that maybe they want to have their own way, case in point the song below which caused an instant divorce in Iraq when the bride put said song :



Translated :

Dominant, I will rule you like a ruler
I will make you look away if you see another girl on the street
Yes, I'm dominant
You're my piece of sugar
As long as you're with me, you'll walk under my command
I'm arrogant, I'm arrogant
There are things I warned you about
How will your eyes catch it?
You can't stand my revolution
Jealousy runs in my blood
I'm still talking to you
When will you understand me?
From the day I met you, I told you
If you look away, I'll anger you
If you look away, I'll anger you
Dominant, I will rule you like a ruler
I will make you look away if you see another girl on the street
Yes, I'm dominant
You're my piece of sugar
As long as you're with me, you'll walk under my command
I'm arrogant, I'm arrogant
There's nothing in the world that matters to me
Nothing shakes me mentally
But you, my love, changed me
And you'll be mine
On your heart, I will change you
And if you lean, I will straighten you
No one can come close to you
No one can look at you
No one can look at you
Dominant, I will rule you like a ruler
I will make you look away if you see another girl on the street
Yes, I'm dominant
You're my piece of sugar
As long as you're with me, you'll walk under my command
I'm arrogant
Lamis Kan - Testo delle canzoni: مسيطرة (Mesaytara) + traduzione in Inglese

 

[DarthOne]

Arab men don't do more than one marriage as before. Firstly because most people who can afford it are Saudis. Second, when you date Arab girls it's like you are dating MENA latinas. Thirdly because women now did start to notice that maybe they want to have their own way, case in point the song below which caused an instant divorce in Iraq when the bride put said song :



Translated :

Wonder how much that’s a recent thing due to feminism spreading like a cancer around the world thanks to our tax dollars.

 

[TheRejectionist]

Wonder how much that’s a recent thing due to feminism spreading like a cancer around the world thanks to our tax dollars.

Dude, Arab masculine culture did that. Feminism isn't even that much of a thing...

YET.

 

[Zachowon]

Yes Iraq, a country that has the US there to help keep radical islamists fown

 

[King Arts]

There are frankly tons of biblical passages which call for marriage being one man and one woman[1], especially in the new testament. Anyway, you can have your opinion while I, and most of the world outside of the Arabs, are allowed to disagree with it.

1. Why did God allow polygamy / bigamy in the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

I'm aware that it is the ideal shown Biblically. But you don't HAVE to be ideal. After all some interpretation of scripture the true ideal is celibacy and the acceptable 2nd place for those who can't do it is a chaste monogamous marriage. Also it's not just the Arabs who had polygamy in marriage. Historically only two groups had monogomy and prohibited polygamy Christendom, and Ancient Greco Roman civilization. Other cultures even Europeans had polygamy it was not just Arabs and Chinese. For instance the Norse and Slavs had concubines, a man could have many women. That stopped with the adoption of Christianity but again it was not the historical thing, heck even the Jews who did not live in Europe were polygamous until recently.

Also it's not my oppinion. In my opinion polygamy is a sin. But thats because I am Eastern Orthodox so I accept the authority of Church tradition, apostolic succession, the authority of Bishops to make rulings, and ecumenical councils. And those authorities have concluded that polygamy is a sin.

But most people here who are Christian are some flavor of Protestant the only Orthodox I know on this site is me, and @DarthOne

So me using Church tradition as an argument isn't persuasive to them. That's why I argue from a sola scriptura perspective to defeat the concept, because under the Bible alone you can make an argument for polygamy being ok.

 

[Stargazer]

I'm aware that it is the ideal shown Biblically. But you don't HAVE to be ideal. After all some interpretation of scripture the true ideal is celibacy and the acceptable 2nd place for those who can't do it is a chaste monogamous marriage. Also it's not just the Arabs who had polygamy in marriage. Historically only two groups had monogomy and prohibited polygamy Christendom, and Ancient Greco Roman civilization. Other cultures even Europeans had polygamy it was not just Arabs and Chinese. For instance the Norse and Slavs had concubines, a man could have many women. That stopped with the adoption of Christianity but again it was not the historical thing, heck even the Jews who did not live in Europe were polygamous until recently.

Also it's not my oppinion. In my opinion polygamy is a sin. But thats because I am Eastern Orthodox so I accept the authority of Church tradition, apostolic succession, the authority of Bishops to make rulings, and ecumenical councils. And those authorities have concluded that polygamy is a sin.

But most people here who are Christian are some flavor of Protestant the only Orthodox I know on this site is me, and @DarthOne

So me using Church tradition as an argument isn't persuasive to them. That's why I argue from a sola scriptura perspective to defeat the concept, because under the Bible alone you can make an argument for polygamy being ok.

We know from Biblical teaching that polygamy is not ok. We don't need tradition outside of the Bible to know this. We've been over this before. You haven't defeated anything.

 

[King Arts]

We know from Biblical teaching that polygamy is not ok. We don't need tradition outside of the Bible to know this. We've been over this before. You haven't defeated anything.

No we don't because nowhere in the Bible itself does it prohibit polygamy. Any claim that it does is on it's face bad faith and false.

 

[Stargazer]

No we don't because nowhere in the Bible itself does it prohibit polygamy. Any claim that it does is on it's face bad faith and false.

You acting like polygamy isn't prohibited anywhere in the Bible is itself bad faith and false, on its face. We've had this discussion before.

 

[King Arts]

You acting like polygamy isn't prohibited anywhere in the Bible is itself bad faith and false, on its face. We've had this discussion before.

Is everyone an overseer? The whole point of an overseer is that there is a hierarchy, they are in charge and rule over others. The concept of a "priesthood of all believers" is pure eisegesis. That passage deals with Bishops of the Church not every male Christian only those in the Church who have a position of power. A position that Protestants have ironically done away with.

 

[Stargazer]

Is everyone an overseer? The whole point of an overseer is that there is a hierarchy, they are in charge and rule over others. The concept of a "priesthood of all believers" is pure eisegesis. That passage deals with Bishops of the Church not every male Christian only those in the Church who have a position of power. A position that Protestants have ironically done away with.

I'm not watching that. And no, not everyone is an overseer, but you're avoiding my actual point and arguing in bad faith. The Bible identifies having more than one wife as something that brings reproach. Yes or no?

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out How we came to this conversation and more so WHY are we having it.

 

[Stargazer]

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out How we came to this conversation and more so WHY are we having it.

@King Arts brought it up randomly in the other thread too. He seems to have a weird fixation on the idea that polygamy is not forbidden in the Bible.

 

[King Arts]

I'm not watching that. And no, not everyone is an overseer, but you're avoiding my actual point and arguing in bad faith. The Bible identifies having more than one wife as something that brings reproach. Yes or no?

The Bible does not say that having more than one wife brings reproach. Moses had at least two wives Zepporah and a Kushite woman The video goes over this. You need to define what you mean by reproach.

It is being used to indicate that the person is squeaky clean and society has nothing they can say that's bad about him. Same reason why there are also restrictions on the wealth of kings in the old testament they are told not to have too many horses. But it does not give a certain ammount. It looks bad for a person to have great wealth because you can point to them being greedy. A Bishop is supposed to represent the Church, in the time period Paul was talking the Romans liked monogomy and disliked polygamy. That does not mean that God's law forbids polygamy.

I'm just sitting here trying to figure out How we came to this conversation and more so WHY are we having it.

Actually this started because someone was talking about what a real marriage is it started with someone saying gay "marriages" aren't real marriages, and that a marriage is only one man and one woman.

I disagreed with that because it does not make sense biblically. For instance it's not adultery for you as a man to go to a lesbian couple and seduce one of them into marrying you(assuming no premarital sex. But if you go to a place where polygamy is allowed you would be sinning if you take away wife #2 from another man.

Adultery is where either you are married and do it with someone who is not your spouse OR you do it with someone who is married. Breaking up a gay couple would not be adultery but doing the same to a polygamous one would be.