White Pills in Clown World
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Whitestrake Pelinal
Like a dream without a dreamer
A healthy life might include modern electronics and media, but it won't have those things front and center. Where they are present, they must be tightly regulated by individuals and parents. Otherwise they provide a constant stream of half-truths, falsehoods, and cultural marxist propaganda.
For a lot of people who grew up utterly pozzed, getting the constant globohomo propaganda out of their lives has to be a priority. The simplest and surest way is to minimize use of tech. Not the only option, but the surest.
As we have said.
Moderation.
Anime isn't globohomo or Marxist propaganda either. It is often the opposite of that stuff anyway.
Of course one has to take into account how unpc call of duty lobbies are. Like...have you ever been in a mw2 lobby?
League of Legends game? CSGO?
One has to think about it this way.
Best way to keep then away is to give them a mixture of outdoor and indoor things. Get them into what one likes to do wothout being to harsh.
If we arnt talking about kids, but about adults. I wouldn't want to go planting and instead go shooting or something. Why do I want a tree in my room when I could have guns or mikitary surplus gear because I like that stuff.
The point we are getting at is moderation beats comepeltly getting rid of it
The world is only going to get more technologically integrated, more wired up, and more online.
Teach kids how to live and survive in the world they will inhabit, not the yesteryear of your white supremacist dreams.
Whitestrake Pelinal
Like a dream without a dreamer
Moderation also serves, like "tolerance", as the perfect excuse to avoid action when needed. It can be paraded around as a virtue, 'look how moderate I am, not like those extremists', but it is not virtuous.
When the first response to "get globohomo media out of your life" is "look, just a little is fine, I can handle myself" it sounds less like moderation and more like excuses.
"It's just going to happen" is both logically and historically false. Technological gains have been made and lost many times in history, and there has been stern regulation of various technologies many times. Further, even a tiny fraction of society could decide to pull the ripcord and wreck the tech infrastructure, making the decision for everyone.
The "march of progress" is ignorant leftist propaganda, useful for bullying cowardly conservatives into compliance, despite being obviously false.
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I'm a Christian, I don't agree at all with the kind of sexual lifestyle Freddie Mercury lived.
I can still appreciate that he made a lot of good music.
As it says in my sig, a lot of it is about awareness. Do you understand what kind of media you are consuming? Have you thought about the ideals it puts forward, both openly and passively? The ability to pick apart and work your mind around such things is important, both for yourself, and to understand what kind of messaging and cultural pressure others are dealing with.
Also 'being a moderate' has basically nothing to do with 'moderation.' Every 'moderate' I've met so far has either had weird ideology, incoherent ideology, or just been under the sway of the social pressure of the left, but doesn't want to admit it.
Whitestrake Pelinal
Like a dream without a dreamer
Being a 'moderate' has a lot to do with being a consumer and wanting to think highly of oneself, claiming the moral high ground involves not 'taking a side'. Of course, there are many issues on which there is a right and wrong, and failure to take a side is moral cowardice, but the 'moderate' doesn't like the risk and perhaps sacrifice involved in taking a stand.
The media you consume changes you, you don't change it. Thinking you're too smart or self-aware or devout to be changed, does not make it so. It's part of why conservatives lose so much, they get programmed to submit to leftist language like 'racist' and 'sexist' and 'homophobic' while they're consuming leftist media. Over and over they see those against the left caricatured, anything good they have to say mocked or left out, while those who advance leftist narratives are disproportionately scripted to be attractive, charismatic, and receive favorable outcomes in the storylines. Main characters are generally scripted to submit as soon as an 'ist' or 'ism' is deployed, and conservatives learn to do the same.
Such leftspeak shouldn't even matter to a Christian who looks to the Lord for guidance, but... those who surround themselves with leftist media usually find themselves confused when scripture says one thing and their media (and media consuming friends and acquaintances...) say another. Ex: the percentage of "Christian" churches that openly advance things the Bible describes as hateful and abominable.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
You have some points here, but also some things you're missing.
One of the biggest reasons the left has narrative control in books/movies/TV/games, is because there aren't many conservatives making such things, much less Christians, and when they do, they tend to not be as good. Not always, there are certainly some standout exceptions, but there's an ocean of secular media out there, and a moderate-sized lake of conservative and/or Christian media.
Beyond that, it's not just media influence that confuses ostensible and actual Christians, it's intellectual and emotional laziness in general. Both secular and Christian culture encourage being demonstratively compassionate, so they're happy to be compassionate, but hesitant to be stern when that is warranted. It's human nature to not want people to think poorly of you, so even if you disagree with someone on a topic, it's easier to just not engage on it and keep your beliefs to yourself, rather than argue the case.
And this is before you go into the formerly-Christian institutions (like the episcopal church) that have had enough of the leadership just straight-up sell out to worldly values, rejecting scriptural teaching in favor of the 'wisdom' of the age. Because a lot of people in leadership positions, or who sought and eventually attained leadership positions, decided they cared more for the regard of men, than for the regard of God.
Leftist secular media narratives absolutely play a part in the culture war, and for a while probably played the biggest part, but other things play a much larger part, and institutional capture is probably the biggest one now. Granted, that institutional capture includes a lot of media institutions.
Whitestrake Pelinal
Like a dream without a dreamer
It has been a damning indictment of western Christians that we chose to let ourselves be influenced by anti-Christian media, to the point where some of our entire churches ceased to worship the Lord and knelt to globalist elites.
It is true that there is a great quantity of glossy leftist media available, but that's no excuse, it was our job to keep that shit out of our houses and especially away from women and children. Servants of the prince of this world will always have plenty of money to spend, and their spoor should be expected to be more exciting, more stimulating, because the left loves doing transgressive and disgusting things that provoke response.
Cocaine is more stimulating than coffee, but that's no reason to snort a line.
We live in a time of near-infinite media, whether written, oral, and video. We have a wealth of both fiction and non-fiction. We do not lack for media to consume. We could chose to go without ninety-nine percent of what is made, and we would not want for things to watch, listen, or read. It would not be hard, and there is so much else to do.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
I'm not sure if you're just wording things poorly, or if you honestly think that people reading/watching secular media is a controlling effect on people.
Whitestrake Pelinal
Like a dream without a dreamer
There's no question, I used the word "influence". What humans experience influences us.
We do not choose what we remember. When we are trained to associate ideas through repetition, it works. There is no "too smart to fall for it" or "knowing their tricks". Modern advertisement (propaganda) techniques mostly involve establishing favorable associations, they do not require active participation or perception, merely consumption.
This works particularly well when celebrities are used, because they hijack normal human social mechanics through mass media. People become confused when most of those around them know someone because they saw them on TV hundreds of times. Media consumers act like they have a relationship with the celebrity (some basis to trust them) through their media training.
e.x. Anthony Fauci, a professional talking head, held up as an authority and defended in spite of his repeated deceptions and failures by media consumers. There's no honest reason that quack should be part of any serious conversation, but watch how the normies tantrum if you don't pretend he's an authority.
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LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Yes, you clearly state that people choose to consume media, but your wording 'to the point where some of our entire churches ceased to worship the Lord and knelt to globalist elites' implies that it has outright mind-control levels of influence.
I can say that exposure to secular media has ground away my instinctive reaction of 'that's alien' to homosexuality. It has not at all convinced me that it's actually right, or that I should lie about it to make people feel better about their sinful lifestyles.
Secular media has an effect, that does not mean that it controls. The decision to watch or read something, is not the same as the decision to agree with the ideology it purveys.
The same is true of Christian media, otherwise you wouldn't have significant numbers of young adults who grew up in isolationistic Christian homes, where parents let them watch, read, and listen to little to no secular media, and constantly had Christian music, Veggie Tales, CS Lewis, Tolkien, and other Christian authors around, taking a deep dive into secularism shortly after leaving the home.
Or people who grew up in wholly, even hardline atheistic homes, constantly immersed in purely secular media, leaving that behind and coming to Christ.
Choosing to watch 'V for Vendetta' does not put you on a path that makes embracing the normalization of homosexuality inevitable.
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
aren't you yourself being a part of that dirty system by using the web and typing about this. Or is this a "I'm sacrificing myself to save you." sort of thing? because you are stepping into potentially hypocritical territory.
The media has jack and shit to do with the decline of the Mainstream Churches into heresy and everything to do with leftist capture and corruption of academia in the early 20th century, well before mass media was even a major player.
You can trace the collapse of the Mainstream Churches directly back to the Fundamentalist/Modernist split in American Christianity that began in the late 19th and culminated in the early 20th Century. This was primarily driven not by "media" consumption, but rather the relatively new fields of evolutionary biology and archeology, which were being used to call into question the accuracy of the Bible. American Christianity had two responses to this academic questioning, the first, by the Modernists, was to decree that much of the Bible that was previously understood as historical was actually "allegorical" and to deny that there was supernatural elements to it. This viewpoint, despite decades of further archeological study actually proving vast swaths of the Bible accurate to a further degree than any other ancient text, came to dominate academic including the major religious universities of the time. With this, the slippery slope down the slope towards atheism began at those institutions, which then churned out the next generation of pastors for those denominations... which further weakened the the Faith, which increased the atheism at those universities to the point where now most forget that places such as Yale and Harvard were founded as Divinity Schools and were explicitly Christian Religious Institutions for most of their existence.
The other reaction was that of the Fundamentalists, who took the opposite view, they decided to view the Bible as accurate, regardless of what science said, they would maintain the faith. These Fundamentalists were systematically driven out of the elite academia by the Modernists (much like how later Conservative and Moderate political voices have been systematically driven our by Leftists). These groups ended up forced into marginal denominations or founding their own Churches that ended up broadly collected into what is known as the modern Evangelical Movement.
Media, such as it was, had nothing at all to do with the origin or driving of the Modernist decay of the Church. It was driven by academia and elite academic acceptance and peer pressure, as Pastors, historically, were considered members of the academic elite and thus were susceptible to such influence, especially in their formative years in university from whence they would then go into the world and spread those ideas to their congregations.
Well, isn't that interesting, you are not only a white supremacist, but seem to be an advocate of what amounts to attacks on domestic cyber and electronic infrastructure.
Do not create evil where non exists.
Its an old jewish saying, I get that you disagree with him on a lot of things but there is a vast gulf between depressing observation about how vulnerable our modern world is and advocation of terrorism.
How else should that line of his be read, except as tacit endorsement of doing that sort of thing, if the 'globohomo' boogieman of his gets 'too powerful'?
I mean come on, he's already a fucking badly disguised white supremacist, and seems that hate most of 'modernaity' and what tech has 'allowed' 'globohomo' to do.
You really think he added that line just by chance?
KilroywasNOTHere
"BEEP!"
Dude, at most he's a luddite, unless specifically says something along the lines of "we need to bomb the grid" he's not a domestic cyber terrorist. Don't fall for the dog whistle narrative.
See what I said above; he would not have included that bit unless he, on some level, would be just fine with the net and grid going down due to the actions of fringe elements, if it stopped the spread/influence of 'globohomo'.