Star Wars What if these people joined the Rebellion.

[Bear Ribs]

I mean.
We are going off of lore Vader right? Caps shield becomes useless and tossed around. Chief is more of an issue.
Obi wan is too old to be a valid threat to Vader

Cap's more likely to use his shield to block lightsaber strikes and then hit Vader in the face with it. In this scenario he's perfectly aware of what Vader can do given he's had time to discuss it with Obi-Wan. Additionally I question how much concentration Vader has available. If he's dodging incoming bullets from Master Chief, his helmet just got covered in paint blocking his vision via a splatter batarang from the shadows, and Obi-Wan is contesting him with the force, he may not really have the spare attention to try to TK Cap.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Kenobi would literally be the only thing keeping the other three alive and he knows it. Vader can kill with a thought, so Obi-Wan has to make sure his former apprentice doesn't get the chance.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Kenobi would literally be the only thing keeping the other three alive and he knows it. Vader can kill with a thought, so Obi-Wan has to make sure his former apprentice doesn't get the chance.

If that was true Grievous wouldn't have a massive collection of lightsabers from the Jedi he killed and Jango Fett wouldn't have walked away from Kamino. Plenty of force users have been killed by ordinary mortals and those three are well beyond normal mortals.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

If that was true Grievous wouldn't have a massive collection of lightsabers from the Jedi he killed and Jango Fett wouldn't have walked away from Kamino. Plenty of force users have been killed by ordinary mortals and those three are well beyond normal mortals.

And Lord Vader is no ordinary force wielder.

 

[Bear Ribs]

And Lord Vader is no ordinary force wielder.

No, but he did lose to Obi-Wan rather definitively and barely managed to beat Ahsoka in rebels so he's not Superman to their Jimmy Olsen, he's an Olympic athlete silver medalist to their bronze medalist. Meanwhile Cap, Master Chief, and Batman are accustomed to fighting gold medalists like Thanos, The Promethian, and Darkseid.

Further it's often bandied about that having his limbs and organs replaced with machines dramatically weakened him from being a top-notch force wielder.

 

[Zachowon]

No, but he did lose to Obi-Wan rather definitively and barely managed to beat Ahsoka in rebels so he's not Superman to their Jimmy Olsen, he's an Olympic athlete silver medalist to their bronze medalist. Meanwhile Cap, Master Chief, and Batman are accustomed to fighting gold medalists like Thanos, The Promethian, and Darkseid.

Further it's often bandied about that having his limbs and organs replaced with machines dramatically weakened him from being a top-notch force wielder.

He was toying with Ashoka.
He wasnt trying to kill her.
He was also kicking her ass when he took it serious, and Vader can also just use a force barrier from the start after forcing Cap off of him, making bullets immune to him, batarangs immune to him. He then just asks the Command to vent Atmo.
He never did that laater becausen no one has ever needed to have that happen. he has used force barrier to prevent major damage for sure though

 

[Lord Sovereign]

No, but he did lose to Obi-Wan rather definitively and barely managed to beat Ahsoka in rebels so he's not Superman to their Jimmy Olsen, he's an Olympic athlete silver medalist to their bronze medalist. Meanwhile Cap, Master Chief, and Batman are accustomed to fighting gold medalists like Thanos, The Promethian, and Darkseid.

A younger hot headed Anakin lost to Obi-Wan. Gnarled forty-something Vader is far more proficient and cautious in combat, and it showed in their rematch. And aside from catching him off guard, Vader kept Ahsoka on the back foot throughout. Granted, in my view it was only Filoni's author fiat that made Ahsoka give him trouble, let alone hurt him. Darth "highest Jedi body count of them all" Vader, has Padawans for breakfast and he should have been one handing that bitch for their fight.

The force is a powerful ally as well, that offers a surprising amount of versatility. Mind tricks to practical energy bending are among the bullshit force wielders can pull off. So whilst he lacks the overwhelming strength of Thanos, Vader has other things up his sleeves.

Further it's often bandied about that having his limbs and organs replaced with machines dramatically weakened him from being a top-notch force wielder.

If anything, his limitations made him stronger in some respects. Whilst there were some things with the force he could not do, Force lightning for example, his reflexes and strength remain insane, coupled with standard force wielder precog and damn potent telekinesis. He is also the finest swordsman in the history of Star Wars, full stop.

 

[Zachowon]

A younger hot headed Anakin lost to Obi-Wan. Gnarled forty-something Vader is far more proficient and cautious in combat, and it showed in their rematch. And aside from catching him off guard, Vader kept Ahsoka on the back foot throughout. Granted, in my view it was only Filoni's author fiat that made Ahsoka give him trouble, let alone hurt him. Darth "highest Jedi body count of them all" Vader, has Padawans for breakfast and he should have been one handing that bitch for their fight.

The force is a powerful ally as well, that offers a surprising amount of versatility. Mind tricks to practical energy bending are among the bullshit force wielders can pull off. So whilst he lacks the overwhelming strength of Thanos, Vader has other things up his sleeves.



If anything, his limitations made him stronger in some respects. Whilst there were some things with the force he could not do, Force lightning for example, his reflexes and strength remain insane, coupled with standard force wielder precog and damn potent telekinesis. He is also the finest swordsman in the history of Star Wars, full stop.

Take Fallen Order for example. Cal Kestis beats multiple Inquisitors, and a freaking dark jedi master. He is still nothing to Vader, so much of a nothing he has to run away from vader, and was toying with the master and Cal the WHOLE TIME

 

[Bear Ribs]

A younger hot headed Anakin lost to Obi-Wan. Gnarled forty-something Vader is far more proficient and cautious in combat, and it showed in their rematch. And aside from catching him off guard, Vader kept Ahsoka on the back foot throughout. Granted, in my view it was only Filoni's author fiat that made Ahsoka give him trouble, let alone hurt him. Darth "highest Jedi body count of them all" Vader, has Padawans for breakfast and he should have been one handing that bitch for their fight.

The force is a powerful ally as well, that offers a surprising amount of versatility. Mind tricks to practical energy bending are among the bullshit force wielders can pull off. So whilst he lacks the overwhelming strength of Thanos, Vader has other things up his sleeves.

Forty-Something Vader hasn't faced a peer opponent in decades, which is my personal headcanon of why Ahsoka was able to inflict so much damage to him. He has indeed killed a number of Padawans but that's not a feat to respect and slaughtering rooms of children is likely a good reason his body count is so high.

As far as his powers, most of those won't do anything useful. If you give Vader everything he's ever done in a comic he has significantly more tricks but again, these guys are used to taking on all manner of villains with ten thousands tricks and win on a daily basis. Vader's not going to pull a Force power out his ass that Batman hasn't already faced from one of his rogue's gallery through the course of the DCAU, nor does he have the centuries of sword experience Ra's Al Ghul does.

If anything, his limitations made him stronger in some respects. Whilst there were some things with the force he could not do, Force lightning for example, his reflexes and strength remain insane, coupled with standard force wielder precog and damn potent telekinesis. He is also the finest swordsman in the history of Star Wars, full stop.

You can visibly see that compared to Prequel era Anakin he moves like a banana slug after several Ambien. That's not fantastic swordsmanship we see. He won against old man Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan threw the fight in order to inspire Luke, though granted he may well have won eventually anyway given how old and decrepit Obi-Wan was by then.

 

[Zachowon]

Forty-Something Vader hasn't faced a peer opponent in decades, which is my personal headcanon of why Ahsoka was able to inflict so much damage to him. He has indeed killed a number of Padawans but that's not a feat to respect and slaughtering rooms of children is likely a good reason his body count is so high.

As far as his powers, most of those won't do anything useful. If you give Vader everything he's ever done in a comic he has significantly more tricks but again, these guys are used to taking on all manner of villains with ten thousands tricks and win on a daily basis. Vader's not going to pull a Force power out his ass that Batman hasn't already faced from one of his rogue's gallery through the course of the DCAU, nor does he have the centuries of sword experience Ra's Al Ghul does.

You can visibly see that compared to Prequel era Anakin he moves like a banana slug after several Ambien. That's not fantastic swordsmanship we see. He won against old man Obi-Wan because Obi-Wan threw the fight in order to inspire Luke, though granted he may well have won eventually anyway given how old and decrepit Obi-Wan was by then.

Uh...
Vader literally fought multiple Jedi Masters, and killed them by himself.
He fought multiple people made to replace him, and they failed to kill him.
He isn't a pushover

 

[Bear Ribs]

Uh...
Vader literally fought multiple Jedi Masters, and killed them by himself.
He fought multiple people made to replace him, and they failed to kill him.
He isn't a pushover

No, Vader's no pushover but his performance is visibly below the kind of stuff the Avengers and Justice League fight. Throwing in Obi-Wan and Master Chief on top of that pushes it over what I perceive he could win against.

 

[Sailor.X]

Hmmm I wonder what happens if R2 and Cortana start using the Stations Systems against Vader. I would wager they could make a Targeted EMP if necessary to gimp Vaders Cybernetics.

 

[Zachowon]

No, Vader's no pushover but his performance is visibly below the kind of stuff the Avengers and Justice League fight. Throwing in Obi-Wan and Master Chief on top of that pushes it over what I perceive he could win against.

He is basically Ebony Maw, without the torture aspect, and doesn't need to actually grab people.
Batman is from the Ankmated verse, and Cap is from MCU.
Vader has literally faced a jedi who was wielding a Saber and was unarmed himself. He was also in his new body and still kicked his ass.
He then later took on a lot more powerful Jedi masters, one who was on the council and easy beat him. Took on Jocasta Nu when she tried steal something.
He can lift any of them save Obi with the force and just keep his force barrier up.
He is not as weak as you make him

 

[Zachowon]

Hmmm I wonder what happens if R2 and Cortana start using the Stations Systems against Vader. I would wager they could make a Targeted EMP if necessary to gimp Vaders Cybernetics.

That wouldn't stop him, he has them shut down, and iirc even EMPs didn't work

 

[Sailor.X]

That wouldn't stop him, he has them shut down, and iirc even EMPs didn't work

They would still overload in a targeted EMP. Aka blow apart on him.

 

[Bacle]

They would still overload in a targeted EMP. Aka blow apart on him.

Not quite.

Dr. Silo used a kill switch in Vader's armor to shut down all it's systems, and Vader kept his body going on pure rage even with all his electrical bits shut off.

So EMP'ing him is not going to slow him as much as simply trapping him with forcefields would.

Though I agree that Cortana and R2 have way more ability to screw with Vader than most of the meatbags.

 

[Zachowon]

They would still overload in a targeted EMP. Aka blow apart on him.

Would it though? We have no idea how it will be.
I doubt it would go through his force barrier should he have it up at that time

 

[Bear Ribs]

He is basically Ebony Maw, without the torture aspect, and doesn't need to actually grab people.
Batman is from the Ankmated verse, and Cap is from MCU.
Vader has literally faced a jedi who was wielding a Saber and was unarmed himself. He was also in his new body and still kicked his ass. He then later took on a lot more powerful Jedi masters, one who was on the council and easy beat him. Took on Jocasta Nu when she tried steal something. He can lift any of them save Obi with the force and just keep his force barrier up.
He is not as weak as you make him

Iron Man can pick up a 60 ton tank, fly at supersonic speeds, can take a direct hit from tank's main gun and walk away from it (and multiple hits from SAMs), moves and reacts faster than we see Vader doing, and has more missiles and beam weapons than the entire 501st. What happened when he fought Cap again?

Batman's no slouch either.

One uppercut sends Killer Croc, himself a guy who's superhuman in size, toughness, and strength, what I would guess to be about forty-fifty feet through the air and only stops there from hitting a wall. Note that Croc is around a head taller than Batman, so in the area of six and a half feet tall at the least, and quit muscular. I'm not aware of his DCAU weight being given but he's put at 686 pounds in other works.

This ridiculously huge crocodile doesn't survive attempting to eat Bruce Wayne, note that it's head alone is larger than him. Oh, and there were two crocs, he kills them both.

These aliens have obvious super-strength.



Batman tanks two powerful punches and lands on his feet immediately after being thrown fifty feet through the air by one. He's highly durable and not going down easily.

Batman hits fifteen different targets with explosives in less than a second.

I realize Vader's got some tricks but people are severely underestimating the amount of BS a comic hero gets up to. If somebody with more game knowledge would like to provide some Master Chief feats to round this out? Not that I think it's really needed after those displays.

 

[Zachowon]

Iron Man can pick up a 60 ton tank, fly at supersonic speeds, can take a direct hit from tank's main gun and walk away from it (and multiple hits from SAMs), moves and reacts faster than we see Vader doing, and has more missiles and beam weapons than the entire 501st. What happened when he fought Cap again?

Batman's no slouch either.

One uppercut sends Killer Croc, himself a guy who's superhuman in size, toughness, and strength, what I would guess to be about forty-fifty feet through the air and only stops there from hitting a wall. Note that Croc is around a head taller than Batman, so in the area of six and a half feet tall at the least, and quit muscular. I'm not aware of his DCAU weight being given but he's put at 686 pounds in other works.

This ridiculously huge crocodile doesn't survive attempting to eat Bruce Wayne, note that it's head alone is larger than him. Oh, and there were two crocs, he kills them both.

These aliens have obvious super-strength.



Batman tanks two powerful punches and lands on his feet immediately after being thrown fifty feet through the air by one. He's highly durable and not going down easily.

Batman hits fifteen different targets with explosives in less than a second.

I realize Vader's got some tricks but people are severely underestimating the amount of BS a comic hero gets up to. If somebody with more game knowledge would like to provide some Master Chief feats to round this out? Not that I think it's really needed after those displays.

Vader throws cap into batman. He can pick up Chiwf and throw him into a wall.
Only one who won't be thrown by the force or stopped by the force is Kenobi.
Tony Stark also isn't someone with telekinesis, can halt an ATAT in his hands. Casually twist heads. Have a barrier that can withstand a VERY large explosion and basically make him immune to anything besides the Force.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Vader throws cap into batman. He can pick up Chiwf and throw him into a wall.
Only one who won't be thrown by the force or stopped by the force is Kenobi.
Tony Stark also isn't someone with telekinesis, can halt an ATAT in his hands. Casually twist heads. Have a barrier that can withstand a VERY large explosion and basically make him immune to anything besides the Force.

Just like Jango was thrown by Obi-Wan, and Grievous was halted by hundreds of Jedi including Anakin himself? Just like Cad Bane's head was casually twisted? Just like the Jedi used a barrier to protect themselves in the Geonosis arena? Just like Vader grabbed the Falcon and kept it from leaving Hoth? Just like Vader used his invincible Forcefield to protect his TIE from the Falcon at the Death Star trench run? You're spitting out all kinds of no-limits fallacies here based on extremely obscure one-off comic events that may have had special circumstances, or simply "extrapolating" things you think he can do that doesn't seem to happen much in the actual combat we see.

Meanwhile I'm listing the kinds of stuff Batman and Cap do every episode/movie.

Edit: Should make my point clearer.

If you tell an average watcher than Batman and Cap can punch a guy across the room and fight against immensely powerful villains with all sorts of powers, most will sagely nod. Tell most Star Wars fans that Vader can produce a forcefield of infinite power that protects him from everything except another force user and most are going to scratch their heads and ask "Wait when did he do that? And why didn't he use it in X situation?"