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What If? What If the Undine (Species 8472) invades the Star Wars Galaxy
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DS9 was the absolute pinnacle of Star Trek and the end of it as far as I'm concerned. Voyager had a few interesting concepts but the execution was dogshit.
They could've done great things with Voyager; limited resources, desperation, scavenging, acquiring alien technologies to buff their ship (like that one episode where they wanted to install a weapon from an arms dealer, which Seven had a freak out about), the struggle to hold on to Starfleet ideals, et cetera.
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Trek ships fighting at warp speeds pretty much only happens regularly in a video game that is explicitly AU, and in terms of actual TV content only happens as a one-off plot point in one of the Kelvin timeline movies which is *also* explicitly an AU.
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It happens a number of times in DS9 notably when Kor engages all the Dominion ships so Martok and the rest of his task force can escape.
Doesn't seem particularly applicable to this since Species 8472 never demonstrated it or a need to use warp strafing or other FTL combat tactics.
If the Star Wars Galaxy could find a way to open their own quantum singularity rifts into Fluidic Space, they might be able to inflict enough casualties to intimidate away Species 8472 even without the modified nanoprobes. But they'd have to figure out a way of getting their, seeing what is there, and then get back. They could possibly pass through the bioship created singularities but they'd still have to gather data and intelligence and come back so that some sort of countermeasure could be developed. Spamming possible target locations with droids is one way. Or using force precognition and telepathy and other esoteric intuition could potentially be utilized as well, especially since Species 8472 is telepathic with Star Trek humanoids.
Fluidic space is organic so it could be vulnerable to some sort of bioweapons as well as esoteric force abilities like life draining and whatnot. In that regard spamming droids would be helpful I suppose. And getting something like World Devastators that can self manufacture and with their furnaces and black hole generators and tractor beams might play havoc in Fluidic Space until they're destroyed.
If the Star Wars Galaxy could find a way to open their own quantum singularity rifts into Fluidic Space, they might be able to inflict enough casualties to intimidate away Species 8472 even without the modified nanoprobes. But they'd have to figure out a way of getting their, seeing what is there, and then get back. They could possibly pass through the bioship created singularities but they'd still have to gather data and intelligence and come back so that some sort of countermeasure could be developed. Spamming possible target locations with droids is one way. Or using force precognition and telepathy and other esoteric intuition could potentially be utilized as well, especially since Species 8472 is telepathic with Star Trek humanoids.
Fluidic space is organic so it could be vulnerable to some sort of bioweapons as well as esoteric force abilities like life draining and whatnot. In that regard spamming droids would be helpful I suppose. And getting something like World Devastators that can self manufacture and with their furnaces and black hole generators and tractor beams might play havoc in Fluidic Space until they're destroyed.
For something like Life Drain to be effective outside of one-on-one examples, you'd need a Force user on par with Legends Palpatine, Vitiate, or Naga Sadow. The rarity of such Users existing in the first place aside, you're also talking about an entire dimension here where the Force may not even exist and have a "Vong Effect", and even then it may be beyond their scope.
Their best hope would be to engineer a Force-based Dark Side plague and hope that it actually does something to 8472, which it might because Space Magic is an OOCP for regular biology (which 8472 has, albeit to a point where it's on a bullshit tier).
Additionally, Fluidic Space shares 8472's genetic makeup -- the same makeup which basically laughs at anything biological, technological, and chemical and was only "breached" due to convolutive plot armour ("We don't assimilate, we investigate, which is how we were able to turn the nanoprobes which the Borg failed at using despite being the fucking Borg into a viable weapon in days by using Trek technobabble!").
The only time we've seen bioships destroyed, outside of the aforementioned stupid plot armour of Voyager's modified nanoprobes, was when a Borg Cube sacrificed itself by crashing into one. A Borg Cube. Which 8472 destroys in just one to three shots.
Blasters may have some effect, given that they're superheated plasma at 20,000 Celsius (lightsabers too, since they're superheated blades of plasma) and that heat must do some damage, but we've seen 8472 being hit from everything from kinetic to radiation to exotic energy weaponry (such as the Hirogen's tetryon radiation weapons), and it tooks months for one to be worn down enough to be gravely injured.
Then, given a few hours interrupted, it was basically healing at a slow, steady rate (enough to actually go from "dying animal" back to "ripping Hirogen's face off"); give it a few days and it'd likely have been back to full health.
Their bioships are fast, and while they have accuracy as good as a Stormtrooper on a good day, they're incredibly destructive. They'd pop ISD's like balloons. and just a small group of them can destroy planets.
So, yeah; outside of Force shenanigans and blasters may perhaps being effective because of the heat, the Star Wars Galaxy's chances are... well, yeah.
This isn't "wank", it's what we've seen 8472 do on-screen. They're just that bullshit.
Their best hope would be to engineer a Force-based Dark Side plague and hope that it actually does something to 8472, which it might because Space Magic is an OOCP for regular biology (which 8472 has, albeit to a point where it's on a bullshit tier).
Additionally, Fluidic Space shares 8472's genetic makeup -- the same makeup which basically laughs at anything biological, technological, and chemical and was only "breached" due to convolutive plot armour ("We don't assimilate, we investigate, which is how we were able to turn the nanoprobes which the Borg failed at using despite being the fucking Borg into a viable weapon in days by using Trek technobabble!").
The only time we've seen bioships destroyed, outside of the aforementioned stupid plot armour of Voyager's modified nanoprobes, was when a Borg Cube sacrificed itself by crashing into one. A Borg Cube. Which 8472 destroys in just one to three shots.
Blasters may have some effect, given that they're superheated plasma at 20,000 Celsius (lightsabers too, since they're superheated blades of plasma) and that heat must do some damage, but we've seen 8472 being hit from everything from kinetic to radiation to exotic energy weaponry (such as the Hirogen's tetryon radiation weapons), and it tooks months for one to be worn down enough to be gravely injured.
Then, given a few hours interrupted, it was basically healing at a slow, steady rate (enough to actually go from "dying animal" back to "ripping Hirogen's face off"); give it a few days and it'd likely have been back to full health.
Their bioships are fast, and while they have accuracy as good as a Stormtrooper on a good day, they're incredibly destructive. They'd pop ISD's like balloons. and just a small group of them can destroy planets.
So, yeah; outside of Force shenanigans and blasters may perhaps being effective because of the heat, the Star Wars Galaxy's chances are... well, yeah.
This isn't "wank", it's what we've seen 8472 do on-screen. They're just that bullshit.
Yeah, Species 8472 stomps the Starwars verse outside of the most giga-wanked interpretations of it all.
Even for Star Trek, Species 8472 is an out of context threat that only supremely powerful entities like Q, Wormhole Aliens, etc could ever hope to defeat.
The only thing that saves the entire galaxy is the fact that Species 8472 isn't inherently hostile and it all started over a massive misunderstanding. Borg poked them with a stick and from then on they thought everyone was out to get them, they're more than happy to just sit around in their fluidic space.
If they wanted to, they probably would've taken over the entire galaxy in a matter of years as they are as sneaky as the Dominion, stronger than the borg and numerous beyond count.
Even for Star Trek, Species 8472 is an out of context threat that only supremely powerful entities like Q, Wormhole Aliens, etc could ever hope to defeat.
The only thing that saves the entire galaxy is the fact that Species 8472 isn't inherently hostile and it all started over a massive misunderstanding. Borg poked them with a stick and from then on they thought everyone was out to get them, they're more than happy to just sit around in their fluidic space.
If they wanted to, they probably would've taken over the entire galaxy in a matter of years as they are as sneaky as the Dominion, stronger than the borg and numerous beyond count.