What If? What If the Undine (Species 8472) invades the Star Wars Galaxy

Him

Man-Beast.
Well there is always The Mother. But that is just as much a huge can of worms as the Undine are.
No legends luke, right? 5 years after the ROTJ when she's still imprisoned, right? @Husky_Khan

Even the OP can't make up his mind on the timeline. So ima assume whatever the fuck I want when you're this inconsistent with the facts, gremlin contrarion.
 

Husky_Khan

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And you said legends or not they'd sweep, right? Buddy, bo katan doesn't exist in legends, neither does exegol, But now that you hold information to the contrary you're backpeddling.

I mean, aside from the fact that this is a circle-jerk, you also have the reality warping capabilities of the bedlam spirits which they equally cannot answer to.

This weird ass nigga singlehandedly created an amalgam universe, to try and set up an alley-oop and you went with it.

It's cool, though, I'm used to you posting like a whiny bitch, by now.

No legends luke, right? 5 years after the ROTJ when she's still imprisoned, right? @Husky_Khan

Even the OP can't make up his mind on the timeline. So ima assume whatever the fuck I want when you're this inconsistent with the facts, gremlin contrarion.

Any concepts of an "Amalgam" Universe are of a secondary issue to me. I don't really care about the canon being used since the Versus discussion is fairly open ended. If Disney Wars has nothing that can handle Species 8472 and the OP has brought up non-Disney Star Wars stuff, I'll bring up non-Disney Star Wars options to discuss. 🤷‍♀️

And in regards to the timeline issues, that's just another reason why bringing up eldritch force beings would be considered a plot device IMHO.
 

ShadowArxxy

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And you said legends or not they'd sweep, right? Buddy, bo katan doesn't exist in legends, neither does exegol, But now that you hold information to the contrary you're backpeddling.

Bo-Katan actually exists in both the Legends and Disney continuities, as she was introduced in Season 4 of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars CGI TV series.
 

Husky_Khan

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So I never read any Swarm War so I could still be missing out on valuable context but...

:eek:, really large scale combat there, meanwhile Luke can;

"But this time Luke was ready, he placed his own hand in front of Raynar's, rooted himself in the heart of the force. And when he did that he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him; not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's 16 ion engines, not the blackhole at the center of the galaxy itself. Luke stood that way waiting, fully aware that the remaining bugcrunchers were moving into defensive positions."

Root the dimensional barrier midichlorians occupy, preventing them from traversing to real-space and quelling the assault there-in.

Really weird how I have to get my info from a wiki because you guys keep talking about a plot-device that doesn't exist.

So perhaps unsurprisingly, this quote has been brought up in versus discussions before and someone posted a more full context of the quote.

Dark Nest III: The Swarm War said:
That was the trouble with powerful men-especially younger ones. Awed by their own strength, they so often believed strength was the answer to every problem. Luke was older and wiser. While Raynar swung, he pivoted. As Raynar's gold blade sliced the air where Luke's head had been, Luke's boot was kicking him behind the ankles, knocking his legs out from under him and stretching him out flat. But Raynar was a Jedi, and all Jedi were quick.

He caught himself in the Force, levitating himself just long enough to bring his golden blade sweeping in at Luke's shoulder. Luke had no choice but to block with his blade, and no place to block but the forearm. Raynar's lightsaber went spinning off, still securely in the grasp of his three-fingered hand, and caught one of Luke's bugcrunchers squarely in the back. The weapon sliced through six centimeters of laminanium armor before the severed forearm flew free.

The blade deactivated, and the hilt disappeared into the tangle of death and destruction at the droid's feet. The pain of losing an arm might have forced a common Jedi to stop fighting, but Raynar was no common Jedi. He had the Force potential of the Colony to draw on, and he did that now, swinging his remaining hand up to hurl Luke down the corridor as he had done before. But this time, Luke was ready. He placed his own hand in front of Raynar's and rooted himself in the heart of the Force, and when he did that, he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him-not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's sixteen ion engines, not the black hole at the center of the galaxy itself. Luke stood that way, waiting, dimly aware that his surviving bugcrunchers were moving into defensive positions, one at his back and the other just inside the burst hatch. Raynar continued to struggle, trying to hurl Luke down the corridor, trying to move him a single centimeter.

Luke did not budge, and finally Raynar stopped struggling and met his eyes with a stunned and anguished gaze. The Master sighed and shook his head. "What am I going to do with you, Raynar Thul?" he asked. "You learn nothing from your mistakes." Luke deactivated his lightsaber and picked Raynar up by the collar and slammed him against the wall. He used the Force to pin him there, waiting for an answer to his question, watching as the expression in his captive's pained eyes turned from astonishment to anger to calculation.

But when Raynar's free hand rose, it was not to summon the Force lightning that Luke had expected. It was to call his lightsaber back, to attempt to continue the battle that he obviously could no longer win. It was in that moment that Luke finally decided that the life of Raynar Thul would be spared. He intercepted the weapon and used the Force to pin Raynar's remaining arm against the wall along with the rest of his body. Then he opened the hilt of the captured lightsaber and removed the focusing crystal. He held it up in front of Raynar.

"Someday I may return this-but for now, it's staying with me." He zipped the gem into a pocket of his vac suit, then reached out to Raynar in the Force and spoke in a softer voice. "Your days as UnuThul are done, Raynar. It's time to surrender and come home."

So... this appears to be some sort of ground skirmish or melee engagement? The only thing he seems to actually resist here is a telekinetic push by another force user empowered by a bug alien colony?

Is there any indication of Luke amplifying this power to deflect a Death Star level scale blast or anything like that? Because it sounds like poetic license and hyperbole from the context.
 
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So... this appears to be some sort of ground skirmish or melee engagement? The only thing he seems to actually resist here is a telekinetic push by another force user empowered by a bug alien colony?

Is there any indication of Luke amplifying this power to deflect a Death Star level scale blast or anything like that? Because it sounds like poetic license and hyperbole from the context.

The EU got retarded with how powerful it made certain characters like Wankatine, It was so drastically different from anything he ever showed himself capable of on screen that I refuse to acknowledge most of it.
 

Husky_Khan

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The EU got retarded with how powerful it made certain characters like Wankatine, It was so drastically different from anything he ever showed himself capable of on screen that I refuse to acknowledge most of it.

Yeah it's quite clearly hyperbolic language from the context of the statement.

But let's say it is true.

That version of Luke Skywalker is still several decades away and for him to form into that hypothetical Jedi, having Species 8472 blowing everything up might impair said journey of growth.

Even if he achieves such power, there's no impression of how it applies to planet busting energy weapons. It sounds like it would just protect the actual ground he's standing on? So he'll be comically floating through space on a piece of rock encased in a force bubble.

Victory conditions achieved!
 

Sailor.X

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No legends luke, right? 5 years after the ROTJ when she's still imprisoned, right? @Husky_Khan

Even the OP can't make up his mind on the timeline. So ima assume whatever the fuck I want when you're this inconsistent with the facts, gremlin contrarion.
I borrowed from Legends what was referenced in Disney Canon. The Rakata were referenced in Andor. Reven, Xion and Nihilus were referenced in other shows. So I brought in stuff related to them as options.
 

Agent23

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Bo-Katan actually exists in both the Legends and Disney continuities, as she was introduced in Season 4 of the Star Wars: The Clone Wars CGI TV series.
Is TCW even still considered canonic within legends, though?
Given how shit like rebels made Thrawn into a joke, I'rd think that the two are like oil and water.
 

Husky_Khan

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Is TCW even still considered canonic within legends, though?
Given how shit like rebels made Thrawn into a joke, I'rd think that the two are like oil and water.

I don't think there is a quality threshold for actual Legends canon... only personal headcanon.
 

Jormungandr

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The only advantage the Star Wars galaxy would have is the Force, given that Dark and Light are basically funky space magic, and even then that variable is dependent on how its used and who uses it (a Sith plague designed to mutate or kill? Yeah, that might work given it's space magic not relying on purely biological means of attack).

Entities such as Abeloth are the best bet, but if you're relying on what's basically nightmare fuel that wouldn't be out of place from Doctor Who's Last Great Time War, you're fucked anyway. :ROFLMAO:

But, everything else? 8472 stomps. Seriously.

It's not just about their being in Fluidic Space, it's everything else.

Their basic ships are capable of blowing up entire planets. Weapons which shit on blasters seen on Star Wars capital ships and fighters (such as Borg and Starfleet weapons) don't do shit to them. Their biology is immune to conventional disease and technological attacks on a microscopic level.

Frankly, it doesn't matter who runs the Galaxy at this point -- Old Republic, High *coughvomitcough* Republic, any one of the numerous Sith Empires which existed including the Galactic Empire, the Alliance, Fel Empire, any of the New Republics -- they're all fucked.

Hell, even the Vong would be bent over and taken to brown town, given that their shtick of biological manipulation is pretty much useless here.
 

Agent23

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I just love how the removal of Wars canon bits in favor of Disney crap is giving the Trek Whankers an upper hand.
 

Agent23

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Their wank was always contradicted by the original and prequel movies.
What about Trek Whank.

Given how many random reetards have gone through the management of that franchise I am surprised how no one hasn't made a case why the idiot governmnet from Firefly couldn't sotomp the AQ in a day.
 

Sailor.X

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What about Trek Whank.

Given how many random reetards have gone through the management of that franchise I am surprised how no one hasn't made a case why the idiot governmnet from Firefly couldn't sotomp the AQ in a day.
Everything said in TOS was shown on screen in the TOS remaster that came out years ago.
 

Husky_Khan

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Considering Species 8472 only showed up for like four episodes of Voyager and then a computer game I'm not sure how it's much more wank then say, Centerpoint Station or the various Maw Installation superweapons that were shat out at once, or all of the random force eldritch capabilities mentioned earlier in the thread.

Species 8472 would've been just as devastating in the Star Trek verse if not for the plot device vulnerability to Borg nanoprobes that were developed using the resources of a single stranded Federation starship (ie plot device). Star Trek's plot devices tend to be treknobabble/technobabble).

Star Wars plot devices naturally would likely be something force related and in all honestly, would be just as justified by the plot as being effective against Species 8472 as the modified nanoprobe weapon was if they invaded the Star Wars galaxy.

Outside of Force eldritchness, using Maw Installation/Dark Empire level superweapons seems like the best way to counter Species 8472. There's no way I can think the SWG can access Fluidic Space, but if you want to go with the hypothesis that Species 8472 has limited numbers, then maybe destroying a dozen or a few dozen ships is possible to compel them to retreat back to wherever they came from (or maybe possibly follow them through to fluidic space). And the Star Wars galaxy does have lots of superweapons and superships as mentioned before.
 
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