What If? What If the Undine (Species 8472) invades the Star Wars Galaxy

[Sailor.X]

In this scenario 5 years after Return of the Jedi. The Undine send a massive invasion force into the Galaxy. They attack both the unknown regions and the Core Worlds. The planets Jakku, Corrusant and Exugal are completely obliterated by the Undine. The Imperial faction that would have become the First Order is Completely and totally destroyed. Only Han, Luke Leia and the Core members of the Rebellion survive the initial onslaught. Din, Ahsoka, Bo Katan and a few other escape the Undine Rampage and make there way to Tattooine. The same place Han and the gang go. The Republic Fleet under Hera make haste to the outer rim as well. The surviving ships from the Imperial Remnant also flee to Tattooine. The Undine for the most part ignore them as they seize many core worlds instead. But sooner or later the Undine will make their way to the Outer Rim. This will take the Undine 3 years time to do. So what do the remaining factions of the Galaxy do in crisis they now find themselves. Can the Factions of the Star Wars Galaxy find a way to defeat the Undine? Or as the Undine say "The Weak Shall Perish!!!"

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Well the SW forces have absolutely no way to strike back at Species 8472 since they don't have Starfleet engineering space magic

 

[Sailor.X]

Well the SW forces have absolutely no way to strike back at Species 8472 since they don't have Starfleet engineering space magic

Maybe just maybe if they find the Old Rakatan Star Forges they might be able to crank out a ton of ships to make an immense fleet. But that is a very big task indeed.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Most of the major powers of the Star Wars Galaxy have already been eliminated. They even took out the "hidden" systems like Exogal and apparently can sweep through the Unknown Regions at their leisure. If they possess that sort of easy galactic travel and already eliminated the main powers with ease, the only way for Star Wars entities to win is via some sort of plot device like you had in Star Trek.

 

[Sailor.X]

Most of the major powers of the Star Wars Galaxy have already been eliminated. They even took out the "hidden" systems like Exogal and apparently can sweep through the Unknown Regions at their leisure. If they possess that sort of easy galactic travel and already eliminated the main powers with ease, the only way for Star Wars entities to win is via some sort of plot device like you had in Star Trek.

They might have to crank out a lot of Droid Ships and Droid Troops. Try to put out as much raw mechanical manpower as possible. Kind of try to be a more competent CSS.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

The biggest problem is that no Star Wars faction has any way of counter attacking species 8472's home regions since its all in fluidic space.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Yeah Star Forges and Droid Factories aren't going to balance the scales against a power that can casually destroy planets and has a safe zone which, as Carrot states, is Fluidic Space. This won't be a problem that one can build their way out of. Tatooine, or any other base in the Outer Rim/Unknown Regions, isn't going to last if one of the first targets eliminated was the secret base of Exegol. Nine or so bioships can arrive in system and blow up a planet in a pretty short period of time after all and they've apparently done it with the Core Worlds with impunity.

There would have to be some plot device conjured up to destroy Species 8472 which would be pretty arbitrary as far as Versus goes.

 

[Him]

Haha, disney wars is so bitchmade.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Haha, disney wars is so bitchmade.

It's not just Disney Star Wars being discussed. The OP brought up other elements of Star Wars as well.

Even with the greater Legends Star Wars verse, it'd still be a plot device to save Star Wars like it did with their storyline in Star Trek. Some sort of eldritch Force thing like Darth Nihilus life draining on a wide scale or whatever is just as much a plot device as what Voyager came up with in the Scorpion episodes where Species 8472 was introduced.

 

[Sailor.X]

It's not just Disney Star Wars being discussed. The OP brought up other elements of Star Wars as well.

Even with the greater Legends Star Wars verse, it'd still be a plot device to save Star Wars like it did with their storyline in Star Trek. Some sort of eldritch Force thing like Darth Nihilus life draining on a wide scale or whatever is just as much a plot device as what Voyager came up with in the Scorpion episodes where Species 8472 was introduced.

Well there is always The Mother. But that is just as much a huge can of worms as the Undine are.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Well there is always The Mother. But that is just as much a huge can of worms as the Undine are.

At this juncture you might as well pull out all the stops. Better the enemy you know is kinda middling logic if the known enemy will destroy you completely in about three years.

 

[Him]

It's not just Disney Star Wars being discussed. The OP brought up other elements of Star Wars as well.

Even with the greater Legends Star Wars verse, it'd still be a plot device to save Star Wars like it did with their storyline in Star Trek. Some sort of eldritch Force thing like Darth Nihilus life draining on a wide scale or whatever is just as much a plot device as what Voyager came up with in the Scorpion episodes where Species 8472 was introduced.

Luke is omnipresent as midichorians which persist in the entire reality that spreads through the cosmology, as of defeating abeloth. He can cut-off their access to his dimension like he did the father

Nihilus is old news, buddy, and he didn't mention legends SW because bo katan doesn't exist in that universe, dummy.

How about you ah, substantiate the claim of these creatures being supremely powerful to the Yhuzhaan vong who can weaponize artifical black holes to pull their star-ships out of their native dimension.

 

[Him]

At this juncture you might as well pull out all the stops. Better the enemy you know is kinda middling logic if the known enemy will destroy you completely in about three years.

Weird, self-serving post here, will you substantiate any of this or will I default to mortis gods soloing?

Better the universal entity you know then the weird fearless aliens you're tossing at a splintered galaxy?

 

[Carrot of Truth]

They can literally do this with impunity and Star Wars factions have no way to actually hit back.

 

[Him]

They can literally do this with impunity and Star Wars factions have no way to actually hit back.

So much impunity the Voyager destroying two dozens of their ships caused them the flee back to their dimension.

, really large scale combat there, meanwhile Luke can;

"But this time Luke was ready, he placed his own hand in front of Raynar's, rooted himself in the heart of the force. And when he did that he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him; not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's 16 ion engines, not the blackhole at the center of the galaxy itself. Luke stood that way waiting, fully aware that the remaining bugcrunchers were moving into defensive positions."

Root the dimensional barrier midichlorians occupy, preventing them from traversing to real-space and quelling the assault there-in.

Really weird how I have to get my info from a wiki because you guys keep talking about a plot-device that doesn't exist.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Luke is omnipresent as midichorians which persist in the entire reality that spreads through the cosmology, as of defeating abeloth. He can cut-off their access to his dimension like he did the father

Nihilus is old news, buddy, and he didn't mention legends SW because bo katan doesn't exist in that universe, dummy.

How about you ah, substantiate the claim of these creatures being supremely powerful to the Yhuzhaan vong who can weaponize artifical black holes to pull their star-ships out of their native dimension.

Weird, self-serving post here, will you substantiate any of this or will I default to mortise gods soloing?

The OP stated this takes place five years after Return of the Jedi, with a three year time limit before Species 8472 moves to the Outer Rim in some capacity. AFAIK the whole Abeloth thing didn't occur until several decades later. The OP has made references beyond Disney Canon, such as the mention of The Star Forge in his second post in the thread. Furthermore, when I brought up Legends, the OP hasn't corrected me so I figure the discussion is open, as his other previous Versus threads tend to be. I'm open to him clarifying otherwise if that's not his intention.

I also haven't made any claims regarding Species 8472 being superior to the Yuuzhang Vong because again, that's out of the time frame of the OP. I also haven't made any claims regarding the Mortis Gods solo'ing. I merely stated that IMHO, that sounds like a plot device like what the Voyager crew used to deal with Species 8472.

If any eldritch force entities can arbitrarily defeat Species 8472 then fine. Said eldritch force being can defeat Species 8472. It's significance to the thread discussion isn't much beyond that individual claim then. When it comes to some eldritch force entity being able to solo Species 8472 it's kind of... yes or no like most plot devices are which isn't much of a scintillating conversation IMHO. 🤷‍♀️

 

[Carrot of Truth]

So much impunity the Voyager destroying two dozens of their ships caused them the flee back to their dimension.

, really large scale combat there, meanwhile Luke can;

"But this time Luke was ready, he placed his own hand in front of Raynar's, rooted himself in the heart of the force. And when he did that he became the very essence of the immovable object. Nothing could dislodge him; not one of Lando's asteroid tuggers, not the Megador's 16 ion engines, not the blackhole at the center of the galaxy itself. Luke stood that way waiting, fully aware that the remaining bugcrunchers were moving into defensive positions."

Root the dimensional barrier midichlorians occupy, preventing them from traversing to real-space and quelling the assault there-in.

Really weird how I have to get my info from a wiki because you guys keep talking about a plot-device that doesn't exist.

What does that quote have to do with anything? Aside from that the fact that Voyager had a plot device is also a non argument. No Star Wars faction actually has the ability to defeat Species 8472 in a conventional war, Which is what I assumed the conversation was about.

 

[Him]

The OP stated this takes place five years after Return of the Jedi, with a three year time limit before Species 8472 moves to the Outer Rim in some capacity. AFAIK the whole Abeloth thing didn't occur until several decades later. The OP has made references beyond Disney Canon, such as the mention of The Star Forge in his second post in the thread. Furthermore, when I brought up Legends, the OP hasn't corrected me so I figure the discussion is open, as his other previous Versus threads tend to be. I'm open to him clarifying otherwise if that's not his intention.

I also haven't made any claims regarding Species 8472 being superior to the Yuuzhang Vong because again, that's out of the time frame of the OP. I also haven't made any claims regarding the Mortis Gods solo'ing. I merely stated that IMHO, that sounds like a plot device like what the Voyager crew used to deal with Species 8472.

If any eldritch force entities can arbitrarily defeat Species 8472 then fine. Said eldritch force being can defeat Species 8472. It's significance to the thread discussion isn't much beyond that individual claim then. When it comes to some eldritch force entity being able to solo Species 8472 it's kind of... yes or no like most plot devices are which isn't much of a scintillating conversation IMHO. 🤷‍♀️

And you said legends or not they'd sweep, right? Buddy, bo katan doesn't exist in legends, neither does exegol, But now that you hold information to the contrary you're backpeddling.

I mean, aside from the fact that this is a circle-jerk, you also have the reality warping capabilities of the bedlam spirits which they equally cannot answer to.

This weird ass nigga singlehandedly created an amalgam universe, to try and set up an alley-oop and you went with it.

It's cool, though, I'm used to you posting like a whiny bitch, by now.

 

[Him]

What does that quote have to do with anything? Aside from that the fact that Voyager had a plot device is also a non argument. No Star Wars faction actually has the ability to defeat Species 8472 in a conventional war, Which is what I assumed the conversation was about.

Aside from the fact the Supreme bio-ships got cooked by a Voyager with no light-speed capabilities or targeting systems which are common-place in SW, if luke can anchor himself in the force to resist the temporal ripping of reality that a black-hole possesses, by the last known issue of legends, luke is the force, achiving oneness and defeating abeloth. The force exists everywhere in reality, thus, he can anchor the the dimensional barriers so they cannot travel to and fro.

i was responding to husky bring ignorant, nigga mentioned nihilus and ran to semantics.

Should've just been quiet homie, like he was.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Aside from the fact the Supreme bio-ships got cooked by a Voyager with no light-speed capabilities or targeting systems which are common-place in SW, if luke can anchor himself in the force to resist the temporal ripping of reality that a black-hole possesses, by the last known issue of legends, luke is the force, achiving oneness and defeating abeloth. The force exists everywhere in reality, thus, he can anchor the the dimensional barriers so they cannot travel to and fro.

i was responding to husky bring ignorant, nigga mentioned nihilus and ran to semantics.

Should've just been quiet homie, like he was.

Fighting at FTL speeds is standard for Star Trek factions you know, So being able to target things at light speed would be a massive downgrade.