Ogryn weapons are extra heavy as they need to be Ogryn-proof.
IG heavy weapons mostly weight 30-50kg plus tripod or something, not needed for PA though.
What if T-60 Power Armor in 40k?
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IG heavy weapons mostly weight 30-50kg plus tripod or something, not needed for PA though.
People neglect that the FO 'minigun' is in fact closer in size to the Microgun. Thing only weighs some 28 pounds.
Completely unusable for normal people on account of recoil and weight (and how you hold the damned thing), but for power armor? Even average joe can use it now.
Even assuming it's 28 kilograms instead of pounds, it's still way lighter than a heavy bolter.
In Fallout Tactics other minigun models and M2's are also perfectly viable weapons for power armor. M2 is also available in 76.
Of course, but the trusty M2 is hardly a heavy-bolter sized monster gun, its more comparable to a bog-standard minigun in weight.
I think there's some obscure rulebooks for 40k which severely lowball the weights of the weapons, because sci-fi writers have no sense of scale.
Do they? Anything that can be carried with a tripod by a IG heavy weapon team decked out in non powered armor for extended distances necessarily can't be too heavy for a guy in power armor.
40k humans are generally considered to be pretty beefy compared to IRL humans, and considering a heavy bolter is the size of a person (so, like 80 kilograms if it was made of meat, let alone METAL) it seems Imperial guardsmen channel the power of the Emprah to carry em around.
40k humans are generally considered to be pretty beefy compared to IRL humans, and considering a heavy bolter is the size of a person (so, like 80 kilograms if it was made of meat, let alone METAL) it seems Imperial guardsmen channel the power of the Emprah to carry em around.
Only War gives most heavy weapons like that weights in 30-50kg range, plus tripod, so like M2, 81 mortar or somewhat more (lascannons surprisingly are among the heaviest, at 55kg).
Miniatures are not proportional as you can easily notice, for various reasons.
It makes sense, as in game heavy weapon teams can move those around, just like they do with mortars and heavy stubbers. Particularly buff Catachans and the like are special in that they use those even without the help of a team and fire them while standing, but the same ability comes by default with power armor.
Its possible that Guardsmen variants of heavy weapons are cut down as much as possible to be usable. I know human-scaled bolters are predictably a lot smaller than space marine ones.
Yes, the human scale bolters that are fired from the shoulder...
Those are tripod mounted.
Lascannons, autocannons, the like, it's all statted out in both variants, and the IG ones, one way or another, are no joke.
I can't imagine a 40mm autocannon being man-portable unless you break it up into a dozen pieces.
Why would Space Marines even use expensive bolters when they can just lug around an autocannon like it was nothing?
A heavy bolter seems to be a weapon which causes a reduction in Space marine mobility, even the big THICC Terminators consider 'only' two normal bolters glued together to be their primary standard arm and a heavy bolter is yet greater in size.
Another thing, Fallout Tactics M2 browning appears to be a modified variant which only weighs 40 pounds.
Indicates usage of aluminum, lighter barrel profile, that sort of thing.
Indicates usage of aluminum, lighter barrel profile, that sort of thing.
They do...
But it takes a Terminator to carry the 2 or 6 barrel variants, which are needed for any decent rate of fire (the IG ones are pretty slow firing), while a heavy bolter can be easily used just by a Space Marine in normal power armor.
Yes, it is most likely disassembled for transport.
In real world:
Lahti L-39 - Wikipedia
If they can make it slightly higher caliber and low RoF automatic while keeping the weight with the materials science and engineering of 40th millenium, i can believe it.
Astartes pattern heavy bolter, not IG one, though the former is stronger than IG heavy bolters.
The various multi-barrel autocannons are visibly smaller caliber than the 'basically a 40mm bofors on a tripod' Imperial guardsman variants though. Heavy guns? Certainly, but they look no larger in dimensions and might actually be smaller in weight.They do...
But it takes a Terminator to carry the 2 or 6 barrel variants, which are needed for any decent rate of fire (the IG ones are pretty slow firing), while a heavy bolter can be easily used just by a Space Marine in normal power armor.
Yes, it is most likely disassembled for transport.
Astartes pattern heavy bolter, not IG one, though the former is stronger than IG heavy bolters.
Is there any canonical words about space marine bolters being more powerful? They're the same caliber as human variants as far as I am aware of, and aside from possibly the propelling charge being smaller to stop your wrists turning to powder, the bolts themselves are the same. Its possible they have more rocket-fuel for the bolts to counteract this weakness at the cost of close-range power.
A 20mm anti tank rifle is hardly the same as a drum-fed tripod-mounted beast of a 40k autocannon though.
In real world:
Semi automatic, 20mm, 50 kg. At early WW2 technology...Lahti L-39 - Wikipedia
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If they can make it slightly higher caliber and low RoF automatic while keeping the weight with the materials science and engineering of 40th millenium, i can believe it.
How do you know? Models are not exactly proportional, if you haven't noticed the sheer size of people's hands and heads.
Absolutely.
Bolt weapon - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
Look at the drum in question. It's not much bigger than a 10 round mag, if at all.
I mean that works in reverse, can you post the actual weights of the weapons, or at least eyeball their weights?
It would be nice to get a nice list of their actual weights calculated.
That's referring to Heavy Bolter vs Bolter...Bolts. So human and space marine bolters/heavy bolters fire the same rounds, or at least same caliber.Absolutely.
Bolt weapon - Warhammer 40k - Lexicanum
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;P Wait a second but I thought model proportions are not good to use! The drum mag is way too small for that barrel size. Although that might depend exactly on how it operates. Wouldn't even really make sense to use drums in such a fashion, clips would be wholly superior.
Small drums in autocannons are a thing, though more often in WW2 aircraft ones.
There is a wiki for RP game weapon weights.
Heavy Bolter
A larger support version of the Boltgun, the Heavy Bolter is seldom seen outside of Military organizations. It uses a much larger version of the standard Bolt shell, with more propellant for greater distance and stopping power. Which also makes it more deadly to armoured vehicles. SB required: 4
Autocannon
An autocannon is a crew-served heavy weapon, as self-loading, high caliber cannon that uses dense solid shells to punch through armour. Though unlikely to fully penetrate the cemaite of Space Marine power armour, They decimate light to medium vehicles and see widespread use in the Imperial Guard...
Man Portable Lascannon
Built for war, Lascannons use huge power packs that provide enough energy to punch holes through the thickest armour even at very long ranges. Lascannons also require seperate power packs, which is why they are often crewed by two or more people.
Screw proportions, count individual rounds in the drum.
Small drums for autocannons are like...60 rounds minimum. For the Oerlikon/Hispano cannons.Small drums in autocannons are a thing, though more often in WW2 aircraft ones.
There is a wiki for RP game weapon weights.
Heavy Bolter
A larger support version of the Boltgun, the Heavy Bolter is seldom seen outside of Military organizations. It uses a much larger version of the standard Bolt shell, with more propellant for greater distance and stopping power. Which also makes it more deadly to armoured vehicles. SB required: 4dark-heresy-rp.fandom.com
Autocannon
An autocannon is a crew-served heavy weapon, as self-loading, high caliber cannon that uses dense solid shells to punch through armour. Though unlikely to fully penetrate the cemaite of Space Marine power armour, They decimate light to medium vehicles and see widespread use in the Imperial Guard...Man Portable Lascannon
Built for war, Lascannons use huge power packs that provide enough energy to punch holes through the thickest armour even at very long ranges. Lascannons also require seperate power packs, which is why they are often crewed by two or more people.
Screw proportions, count individual rounds in the drum.
Looks like the 40k drum holds around 12-16 rounds.
Mmmm that's wikipedia, not always the most reliable with military tech.Varies...
Type 99 cannon - Wikipedia
The Type 99 (an oerlikon clone) was mounted with 60 round drums with turret mounted weapons from what I can tell.
To my knowledge there isn't any pictures of smaller drums on the weapon.