What does your utopia look like?

[King Arts]

Normally CYOA's go into the CYOA thread, however this one is political so I thought we can discuss about the pros and cons of each others vision of utopia.

 

[Bacle]

Only fools believe in or pursue utopias or utopian ideals.

 

[Cherico]

Only fools believe in or pursue utopias or utopian ideals.

seconded life is a series of trade offs.

 

[Val the Moofia Boss]

There will be no "utopia" until the Lord returns. Until then, it's just a bunch of sinners climbing ontop of each other.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

A world without utopianism.

 

[stephen the barbarian]

as pointed out, humans are flawed creatures and as such all things created by humans are by their nature flawed.
yes, you can argue that humanity can do better but perfect is beyond us.

 

[ATP]

There will be no "utopia" until the Lord returns. Until then, it's just a bunch of sinners climbing ontop of each other.

Indeed.But,i think we could get less possible bad system.Real King supporting small and medium business ?

 

[Zachowon]

A world where American values are lived by the word of the constitution. No interpretation.

 

[Bear Ribs]

-Utopias
-Have Major Negatives

Methinks whoever made it isn't clear on what a Utopia is. If it has significant drawbacks it's kinda not one.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Of the actual options, I think I'd go with Promised Land. No crime, no corruption, no divisions, no famine or poverty, no pollution, functional divine powers from the priesthood, and a confirmed afterlife which is kinda big since the others lack any option for an afterlife or immortality in this one.

The downsides of no technology aren't particularly bad when you have a close-knit society to supply social needs (especially when divine healing can replace existing medicine), and I can't really see a downside to people not being "aspirational" beyond getting into heaven. A big family and a nice farm are pretty good things to have. I'm not sure why the strict moral code is marked as negative, no divorce, no drugs, and no gambling sound like net positives to me. No alcohol's mildly annoying but I could live with that.

 

[LordsFire]

It's kind of annoying that they play into the atheist stereotypes of religious people by necessity being scientifically illiterate and anti-science. It's one of the more obnoxious forms of ideological bigotry.

 

[Zachowon]

Like flat Earthers who claim the Bible says the world I'd flat

 

[bintananth]

Of the options presented in the OP, I pick "none of the above".

Libellus vere aureus, nec minus salutaris quam festivus, de optimo rei publicae statu deque nova insula Utopia is satire. It's where the modern meaning of utopia came from and the society described therein by Thomas More is not a nice place.

 

[Bear Ribs]

It's kind of annoying that they play into the atheist stereotypes of religious people by necessity being scientifically illiterate and anti-science. It's one of the more obnoxious forms of ideological bigotry.

These are really, really unimaginative Utopias that are pretty much all a big stack of stereotypes. This is most apparent in Land of Liberty where somehow most people are altruistic and inherently good, and you also have high crime rates even though those two shouldn't be possible together. It also grants maximum freedom and also oppressive megacorporations abusing monopolies which, again, shouldn't be possible in one place. The ultra-fascist Fatherland is somehow better at producing art and video games that aren't propaganda than the Worker's Paradise... why?

 

[King Arts]

I mean utopia is malleable one persons utopia is another persons dystopia. These show the benefits and the realities of going in a certain political direction.

 

[LordsFire]

I mean utopia is malleable one persons utopia is another persons dystopia. These show the benefits and the realities of going in a certain political direction.

Except they're based on flawed and incomplete understandings of the consequences of going in those directions. Just to go off of the 'eco-commune,' we already know that such policies don't result in low poverty and a lack of discrimination, but instead poverty, starvation, and personality cults with some people un-personed.

The whole thing is based on a shallow understanding of things that probably doesn't go past the level of simplistic memes.

 

[King Arts]

Except they're based on flawed and incomplete understandings of the consequences of going in those directions. Just to go off of the 'eco-commune,' we already know that such policies don't result in low poverty and a lack of discrimination, but instead poverty, starvation, and personality cults with some people un-personed.

The whole thing is based on a shallow understanding of things that probably doesn't go past the level of simplistic memes.

Ok at last we are pointing at something but where is the proof that eco communes lead to poverty, starvation, and cults of personality? I mean an those have never been tried to the best of my knowledge the closest things that are similar to those communes are Israeli Kibbutz and some of the weirdo compounds in America by cults. Those got destroyed by outside forces aka FBI busting them. The only complaint that I see is cults of personality but those people were already in a cult before they went to the commune and there was no starvation or poverty problems.

 

[LordsFire]

Ok at last we are pointing at something but where is the proof that eco communes lead to poverty, starvation, and cults of personality? I mean an those have never been tried to the best of my knowledge the closest things that are similar to those communes are Israeli Kibbutz and some of the weirdo compounds in America by cults. Those got destroyed by outside forces aka FBI busting them. The only complaint that I see is cults of personality but those people were already in a cult before they went to the commune and there was no starvation or poverty problems.

...It's because they're communes. 'Eco' doesn't help them at all, pretty much just making things worse, the way leftist environmentalism goes.

But it's the commune part that destroys it. The same as any attempt to implement communism goes.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Ok at last we are pointing at something but where is the proof that eco communes lead to poverty, starvation, and cults of personality? I mean an those have never been tried to the best of my knowledge the closest things that are similar to those communes are Israeli Kibbutz and some of the weirdo compounds in America by cults. Those got destroyed by outside forces aka FBI busting them. The only complaint that I see is cults of personality but those people were already in a cult before they went to the commune and there was no starvation or poverty problems.

There are quite a few eco communes in the world and most tend to operate only as long as there's an outside flow of money coming in to support them. Ones like Findhorn and Auroville get grants from the UN, and places like Tamera and Eco Truly Park are dependent on tourism. There's a few odd ducks that are successful largely because of mercantile operations, such as SEKEM which was able to lobby the Egyptian government to ban agricultural practices that outcompeted them, but they still have to have that steady trade with non-eco communes to survive.

 

[History Learner]

Do we have to choose from among the six or is this a general describe your ideal world kind of thing?