History What are some of your most contraversial takes on history?

I can't get over people reacting this way to the truth about Lincoln, especially in a thread about hot takes on history. He was something of a tyrant himself in that he very much violated the Constitution when it came to free speech and freedom of the press. Unlike Trump, he actually did have media outlets shut down and actually did have people arrested for saying things he didn't like. I also seem to recall that he also had people held without charge or trail, which is exactly the thing people were complaining about Bush doing post 9/11, except that Lincoln actually did it to American citizens. I'm kind of wondering if people are getting caught up in the conflation that pointing this stuff out makes them somehow pro-Confederacy or supporters of the "Lost Cause" myth, because I'm sure not. It's just worth noting that the Civil War was not actually about freeing the slaves, and only became that after the war had been going for a while, and that the actual history has been essentially sanitized for a long time. This is why I tend to have mixed feelings about the Civil War. In some ways, I feel like it would have been better to cut the southern states loose and let them do their own thing, even if it was based on horrible reasoning. Wouldn't have been very good for black people, of course. Also I kind of feel like the asshattery the southern states got up to tends to get ignored to much, like when it came to new states being formed and kidnapping freedmen from northern states. I kind of wonder if the CSA would have collapsed eventually, and if that would have happened in time for WWI.
 
The South were insolent towards the North and needed disciplining, but the whole "horrific civil war that ends six hundred thousand lives" throws everything a bit up in the air.

Nevertheless, kidnapping freemen should have warranted a battalion of bluecoats marching straight over the border to retrieve a US citizen.
 
Well, the thing there is that they didn't view freemen as true citizens, though. Being black was a pretty bum deal at the time, even if they were "free."
 
One thing I think people struggle to understand is that, back then, you could both think of the "negro" as inferior and absolutely abhor slavery. This is not surprising, given that antebellum slavery would have been considered barbaric by the Romans.
I mean, at least we did not have a northern Ireland type situation...

Also, Hot take, USAAF were better then the RAF
 
The RAF were not so daft as to send massed formations of bombers over Germany in broad daylight without fighter escort. Yes, I know there were fuel limitations for fighters, which is why Bomber Command attacked at night. Also, I am not familiar with the USAAF using pathfinder units (like the Mosquito) to designate target areas more clearly.
 
The RAF were not so daft as to send massed formations of bombers over Germany in broad daylight without fighter escort. Yes, I know there were fuel limitations for fighters, which is why Bomber Command attacked at night. Also, I am not familiar with the USAAF using pathfinder units (like the Mosquito) to designate target areas more clearly.
We had the balls to attack during the day.
You RAF decided to play it safe. Once we had Mustangs, bombing became a LOT safer. With less deaths then before.

We also at least armed our bombers with 50s
 
Also, Hot take, USAAF were better then the RAF
In what time frame? Because in 1942 and much of 1943 they were still lagging behind due to lack of experience and institutional issues due to swift expansion.

We had the balls to attack during the day.
Courage and stupidity can be interchangeable and decision to launch deep penetration raids like Schweinfurt before long range escorts were available was a folly, so the crews had to be brave, because the higher ups didn't give a damn.
 
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In what time frame? Because in 1942 and much of 1943 they were still lagging behind due to lack of experience and institutional issues due to swift expansion.
I am mainly saying during the whole of the war. It is often said that the RAF were the best during the whole war, and all because of the Spitfire, and how it was the plane that won the war.

I say the USAAF were better once they entered, even with lack of experience.
 
We had the balls to attack during the day.
You RAF decided to play it safe. Once we had Mustangs, bombing became a LOT safer. With less deaths then before.

And the Luftwaffe scythed your airmen down for it. Attacking in broad daylight without escorts was suicide, which was why Bomber Command abandoned it. Night attack was also one of the reasons we didn't need fighter escorts as desperately, but that changed after D-Day when we had airfields in France. Later models of Spitfires began to escort RAF bombers, and those things were monsters.
 
And the Luftwaffe scythed your airmen down for it. Attacking in broad daylight without escorts was suicide, which was why Bomber Command abandoned it. Night attack was also one of the reasons we didn't need fighter escorts as desperately, but that changed after D-Day when we had airfields in France. Later models of Spitfires began to escort RAF bombers, and those things were monsters.
Mustangs were still better then your precious Spitfires. It was better to do day and night raiding then just night, and the B-17 was a better bomber then the lancaster.
Yes, daylight bombing was suicidal, yet it was effective and we got our job done during it.
 

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