Warhammer Warhammer General discussion thread: Now with 100% more Space Marines

Anyhow, any more Chaos Gods who probably exist, but are rarely heard from and don't have much of a role to play in galactic affairs? Kinda' encompasses fan-made gods whose existence you could make a reasonable argument for, even if GM doesn't officially recognize them.
Instead of Necoho merely being the god of absence of belief, he should've been the god of outright disbelief. It isn't enough for his followers to merely not believe in gods, they have to think anyone who does is faking it for some benefit of their own. Merely not knowing about gods ought to be no excuse, you have to know about their cults but believe the Emperor was merely a mortal human tyrant with a cult of personality and chaos a fiction the Ecclesiarchy made up as propaganda to justify their own authority in the name of fighting it anyway.
 
Given how powerful a psyker Mephiston is with his stopping time feats and so on, could you guys see him being able to take down Custodes and Primarchs on his own?

For instance if let's say he went against a non-Daemon Prince Chaos aligned Primarch (assuming there were any which there are not), it would not matter that much if a Primarch can lift thousands of tons where as Mephiston only tens of tons and a Primarch can speed-blitz like Flash when Mephiston can just freeze time and lop a head off a Primarch.
 
Aren't primarchs rather resistant to psyker fuckery? If primarch thus might be immune to time freeze, but I reckon the extent of their powers and resistances varies with what writers want at the moment.
 
Given how powerful a psyker Mephiston is with his stopping time feats and so on, could you guys see him being able to take down Custodes and Primarchs on his own?
You are giving this way too much thought.
"Rule of cool" - if an author wants Primarch to win, he wins. If author wants Psyker to win - he wins.
 
For instance if let's say he went against a non-Daemon Prince Chaos aligned Primarch (assuming there were any which there are not), it would not matter that much if a Primarch can lift thousands of tons where as Mephiston only tens of tons and a Primarch can speed-blitz like Flash when Mephiston can just freeze time and lop a head off a Primarch.
No, because the Primarchs are essentially Warp entities bound in Flesh through the use of Emp's genes. What they can do is pretty freekin' ridiculous.
 
No, because the Primarchs are essentially Warp entities bound in Flesh through the use of Emp's genes. What they can do is pretty freekin' ridiculous.
Yep! And the Emperor himself is basically a Warp entity of a type, given his creation was the fusion of most of the world's shamans and holy men's souls gestalted into one being.

He's also got "natural" progeny running around, too.
 
I was thinking about space marine chapters when an idea struck me. One small change would allow for bigger chapters while leaving how they are set up the same.

Companies remain the same. Roughly a hundred men were capable of acting as an independent unit. What is changed is the addition of the maniple. Like Roman legions, each chapter is made of ten maniples. Each maniple has five companies, except for the Veteran 1st Maniple which has six. The sixth company is the Terminator company.

The ten Maniples are as follows, 1st is Veteran. 2nd through 5th Battle. 6+7 are Tactical. 8 is Assault. 9 is Devastator. 10 is the scout.

Does this work better than what they currently have? I mean it ensures each chapter has more troops. It is also far more flexible.
 
I think a good path forward for the Imperium is a semi-reformation of the Legiones Astartes, except modelled more along the lines of the Legions of the Western Roman Empire. The armies of the latter day Imperium Romanum were structured as a rapid response force instead of the mailed fist of conquest.

The standard Astartes Chapter of about a thousand marines serves wonderfully as “Limitanei“ Legions, the border guards/policemen of the Empire. Given that ninety percent of the galaxy’s problems can be dealt with by a Space Marine Chapter, that doesn’t need too much changing.

Here’s where things become different. “Comitatensis” legions were the mobile field armies who responded to problems the Limitanei could not. In this spirit, “Legio Astartes Comitatensis” would be modelled after the Black Templars as fleet based formations. This would include up to five or six thousand marines.

Finally, there would be the “Legio Astartes Palatina.” The Palatine Legions were effectively the personal army of the Western Emperor, and their numbers could reach up to thirty thousand as I understand. In this regard, take the first founding loyalist Space Marine Legions and bump them up to “Legio Astartes Palatina.”

The Ultramarines, the Imperial Fists, the Space Wolves, the Dark Angels, the Blood Angels, the Iron Hands, the Salamanders and the White Scars would all be allocated thirty thousand marines a piece. These can be the force of limited conquest/hammer of any other legions that go rogue.
 
I think a good path forward for the Imperium is a semi-reformation of the Legiones Astartes, except modelled more along the lines of the Legions of the Western Roman Empire. The armies of the latter day Imperium Romanum were structured as a rapid response force instead of the mailed fist of conquest.

The standard Astartes Chapter of about a thousand marines serves wonderfully as “Limitanei“ Legions, the border guards/policemen of the Empire. Given that ninety percent of the galaxy’s problems can be dealt with by a Space Marine Chapter, that doesn’t need too much changing.

Here’s where things become different. “Comitatensis” legions were the mobile field armies who responded to problems the Limitanei could not. In this spirit, “Legio Astartes Comitatensis” would be modelled after the Black Templars as fleet based formations. This would include up to five or six thousand marines.

Finally, there would be the “Legio Astartes Palatina.” The Palatine Legions were effectively the personal army of the Western Emperor, and their numbers could reach up to thirty thousand as I understand. In this regard, take the first founding loyalist Space Marine Legions and bump them up to “Legio Astartes Palatina.”

The Ultramarines, the Imperial Fists, the Space Wolves, the Dark Angels, the Blood Angels, the Iron Hands, the Salamanders and the White Scars would all be allocated thirty thousand marines a piece. These can be the force of limited conquest/hammer of any other legions that go rogue.
It works.

Hell, the Ultramarines are pretty much already there they have so many foundling chapters. It's how they get around the limits of the restrictions post Heresy and get to still claim to be 'in compliance.' -- I dislike the Ultramarines if you can't tell.

The SM are supposed to be the fast response and flexible forces already. I've never liked how they felt...1 mistake away from annihilation at every turn because of the stupid arbitrary nature of the 1,000 limit.
 
It works.

Hell, the Ultramarines are pretty much already there they have so many foundling chapters. It's how they get around the limits of the restrictions post Heresy and get to still claim to be 'in compliance.' -- I dislike the Ultramarines if you can't tell.

The SM are supposed to be the fast response and flexible forces already. I've never liked how they felt...1 mistake away from annihilation at every turn because of the stupid arbitrary nature of the 1,000 limit.
The issue with the Codex Astartes is that it was written post Civil War in a galaxy the ruined Imperium utterly dominated. It made sense as a way of creating that force of vigilant knights whilst preventing one man from ever commanding the might of a Legion again.

Since then, of course, the galaxy has changed and the doctrine is comically out of date. The threats are coming thicker and faster and the Space Marines don't have the numbers they need.
 
The SM are supposed to be the fast response and flexible forces already. I've never liked how they felt...1 mistake away from annihilation at every turn because of the stupid arbitrary nature of the 1,000 limit.
That's why I headcanon an extra zero to Chapter sizes myself.

GW already did that with the legion sizes when they started to make the HH tabletop and write its novelization. Originally Legions were 10000 strong, then they were magnified by an OOM. So I apply the same magnification to Chapter sizes.
 
The issue with the Codex Astartes is that it was written post Civil War in a galaxy the ruined Imperium utterly dominated. It made sense as a way of creating that force of vigilant knights whilst preventing one man from ever commanding the might of a Legion again.

Since then, of course, the galaxy has changed and the doctrine is comically out of date. The threats are coming thicker and faster and the Space Marines don't have the numbers they need.
It doesn’t help that Fulgrim fridged Roboute for 10,000 years.

If he had been up and running around, it’s entirely likely that he would have been patching the Codex Astartes as problems cropped up. He wasn’t exactly an inflexible man when it came to combat doctrine.
 
It doesn’t help that Fulgrim fridged Roboute for 10,000 years.

If he had been up and running around, it’s entirely likely that he would have been patching the Codex Astartes as problems cropped up. He wasn’t exactly an inflexible man when it came to combat doctrine.
I think that he spells exactly that out after having been revived... something about how Codex isn't a bloody holy text and that Marines have to be flexible in applying it.

I honestly think he's probably happier about the way Space Wolves approach the Codex than the way Ultramarines do.
 
I think that he spells exactly that out after having been revived... something about how Codex isn't a bloody holy text and that Marines have to be flexible in applying it.

I honestly think he's probably happier about the way Space Wolves approach the Codex than the way Ultramarines do.
Titus would be considered a godsend to him, while the guy who betrayed him at the end of Space Marine (and was subsequently dissed, with Titus saying he "failed as a Marine") would be a disappointment.
 
Titus would be considered a godsend to him, while the guy who betrayed him at the end of Space Marine (and was subsequently dissed, with Titus saying he "failed as a Marine") would be a disappointment.
Leandros would be a disappointment and a pariah even without Guilliman's return. The little shit went over his Chaplain's head (the ones a Space Marine is meant to report such concerns to), and by proxy the Chapter Master's as well. He got a reluctant Inquisition involved who took a well regarded Captain of a First Founding Chapter into custody, which is a political shit storm in the making.
 
Leandros would be a disappointment and a pariah even without Guilliman's return. The little shit went over his Chaplain's head (the ones a Space Marine is meant to report such concerns to), and by proxy the Chapter Master's as well. He got a reluctant Inquisition involved who took a well regarded Captain of a First Founding Chapter into custody, which is a political shit storm in the making.
Well, in all fairness the situation on Graia was pretty messy and maybe he could not get in touch with his higher ups.

But there is a very slim chance of that.


I am more inclined to think that the Inquisition saw Drogan's disappearance, apparent reappearance and his apparent "fall" coupled with the weird tech he was toying around as a major problem, and TItus's weird warp resistance was just icing on the cake.
 
Well, in all fairness the situation on Graia was pretty messy and maybe he could not get in touch with his higher ups.

But there is a very slim chance of that.


I am more inclined to think that the Inquisition saw Drogan's disappearance, apparent reappearance and his apparent "fall" coupled with the weird tech he was toying around as a major problem, and TItus's weird warp resistance was just icing on the cake.
They were also probably rubbing their hands together in glee.

"We have a Loyal, Warp-resistant Astartes with zero corruption in our hands. We can get him to work for us for a few years before we cut him loose again. FU, Chaos! Bwuahaha." :ROFLMAO:
 

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