Warhammer Warhammer General discussion thread: Now with 100% more Space Marines

[Battlegrinder]

I prefer the 1d4chan solution to Lucius:

As for actually killing him, Lelith Hesperax has canonically put a bunch of thought into how to kill him permanently, much like the 40k fanbase at large (I'm not saying she's a huge nerd, but I would point there's no canonical work that states otherwise). Apparently her theory is that if his armor is removed, he can't pull off his possession trick.

Amusingly, much like other nerds, Hesperax's plan has a few obvious holes in it. Specifically, her plan to capture and duel him is because she wants to face him in what she thinks would be the greatest duel ever.....which I doubt would actually be the case. After all, Lelith has been fighting in duels for who knows how many thousands of years and not losing, whereas Lucius has died so often his "kill me and I just come back" gimmick is widely known. He doesn't stand a chance in an even fight.

Killed by an Astartes Techpriest who McGuyvered the kit from scratch in person with only on-site tools they themselves made?

Techmarines are just as proud and vainglorious as thier fellow marines.

 

[Morphic Tide]

Techmarines are just as proud and vainglorious as thier fellow marines.

As an answer to the issue of manufacturing, an addendum to the suicide-kill situation. It'd take some fucky matters to go from raw natural materials to a weapon good for getting through Lucius' Power Armor, but with an Astartes doing the stabbing it's a much lower bar.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

As an answer to the issue of manufacturing, an addendum to the suicide-kill situation. It'd take some fucky matters to go from raw natural materials to a weapon good for getting through Lucius' Power Armor, but with an Astartes doing the stabbing it's a much lower bar.

Well, 40klore on reddit claims there's a story where Lucius gets killed by a mine and ends up possessing the guy who made said mine as he felt pride in providing for his family and killing another of these damned enemies of the Imperium.

Yes. Lucius doesn't come back based on a defined rule set, he comes back because slannesh wants him to. He came back based on the satisfaction a mine maker got from providing for his family after all. Poor fucker didn't even know lucius existed, let alone that he had killed the Eternal.

The incident is described in his book, "Lucius: Pride and Fall".

 

[Tyzuris]

I got a solution for Lucius. Capture him and remove his brain from his skull and put the brain in a jar Old World Blues style for all eternity.

 

[Zyobot]

So, aside from the Iron Men and some isolated instances, do we know if certain players like the Dark Mechanicum have seriously experimented with Abominable Intelligence on a large scale (i.e. at least approaching or comparable to the Droid Armies from Star Wars)?

One guess I'll hazard--though not with much commitment--is that even being unconstrained by the rigid, stagnation-prone dogmatism of their Imperial counterparts, more sensible Hereteks would be cautious about AI, due to Chaos Space Marines probably harboring dislike for them. Of course, if they're willing to operate alongside f--king daemon engines, then common sense would imply that by their own standards, advanced robotics and automation should also be within the Overton Window (if there even is such a thing when it comes to Chaos). ...Then again, maybe sheer Warp derangement keeps them in an inconsistent, illogical rut that stops them from connecting the dots .

Furthermore, exploring the ramifications if the answer is "yes", then I wonder how a Dark Mechanicum rife with ubiquitous AI would look in practice? In addition to warlords running amok with their own private robot armies and the Imperium doubling down on its fear and hatred of thinking machines, could we also see things like robot fleets and AI Forge Worlds become more widespread? And, at the most extreme end of the spectrum, possible attempts to create a robot body for the Machine God to inhabit in the Materium (should some crazed fanatics attempt to summon them or something like that)?

 

[Battlegrinder]

So, aside from the Iron Men and some isolated instances, do we know if certain players like the Dark Mechanicum have seriously experimented with Abominable Intelligence on a large scale (i.e. at least approaching or comparable to the Droid Armies from Star Wars)?

Not that I know of. To my knowledge, chaos generally doesn't have the indusial capacity for that kind of stuff.

 

[PsihoKekec]

Or perhaps they tried and found out the hard way that AI and chaos don't mesh all that well.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Or perhaps they tried and found out the hard way that AI and chaos don't mesh all that well.

Unlikely. The Dreadclaw assault pod has an AI or something very much like it, and it's totally cool with riding the chaos train. Ditto the Castigator titan.

 

[Tyzuris]

How does it sound like as a theory that one lost Primarch was a Psyker like Magnus who fiddled too much with the Warp and lead to first Chaos invasions occurring along with his legion experiencing massive warp mutations (think Black Rage style) and flesh change (like TTS Legion had) and that lead to to the lost Primarch becoming corrupted by the Warp. As a result the entire Primarch and their Legion were removed from history and the minds of their brethren as it would have revealed the existence of Chaos to other Primarchs and their Legions and ending up even worse than the original timeline did if the other Primarchs became aware of Chaos.

 

[UltimatePaladin]

How does it sound like as a theory that one lost Primarch was a Psyker like Magnus who fiddled too much with the Warp and lead to first Chaos invasions occurring along with his legion experiencing massive warp mutations (think Black Rage style) and flesh change (like TTS Legion had) and that lead to to the lost Primarch becoming corrupted by the Warp. As a result the entire Primarch and their Legion were removed from history and the minds of their brethren as it would have revealed the existence of Chaos to other Primarchs and their Legions and ending up even worse than the original timeline did if the other Primarchs became aware of Chaos.

Not the worst explanation I heard. Gives an additional psyker to round out the bunch among the Primarchs. Though, it also puts another hole in the Emperor's idea (I think in the latest version of the lore,) that if you didn't know about Chaos, it can't do anything about you. Not saying full disclosure would have been a good idea, but maybe presenting Chaos in a way that was fitting to the Imperial Truth's worldview.

 

[Typhonis]

I can think of another reason why A I may not be liked.... OK, it comes down to demonic possession. How hard would it be for a warp demon to possess a computer that is self aware? I mean demons possess vehicles so how hard would it be for one to possess a computer?

 

[PsihoKekec]

Bob Ross 40K

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

I can think of another reason why A I may not be liked.... OK, it comes down to demonic possession. How hard would it be for a warp demon to possess a computer that is self aware? I mean demons possess vehicles so how hard would it be for one to possess a computer?

It seems to be easier as the "soul" of an AI appears to be less guarded. One example I can think at the top of the head of, is the AI of the STC Castigator Titan. It was slowly corrupted into becoming a daemon, but there're circumstances that might've forced it to become warp, such as a thousand-year long stay in the warp along with the planet it was hidden on.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Initial reviews for the Dark Angel's supplement are coming out, and the title really says it all:

There Will Be No Apologies for My Reign of Terror

These are only reviews, not a fully breakdown, but thus far what they and GW previews have revealed is solid.

Deathwing are still super scary, retaining the "Can only be wounded on a 4+" rule from the indexs
Weapons From The Dark Age is back. 3 Damage plasma for everyone!
Interromancy has been buffed heavily, and is now on par with other marine powers. I might actually need to build a psyker now.
Deathwing has it's own dedicated, terminator clad Lts now, the Deathwing Strikemaster.

The one downside for me is that a lot of these rules sound like they're designed around Raven and Death wing heavy armies, which I don't run, I'm mostly greenwing (and ironwing, but that's not an official thing), with just a few bikes, planes, and terminators as support.

Though I've been toying with bulking up my terminator forces with some more support units and maybe some more knights, so now might be a good time for that.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

How does it sound like as a theory that one lost Primarch was a Psyker like Magnus who fiddled too much with the Warp and lead to first Chaos invasions occurring along with his legion experiencing massive warp mutations (think Black Rage style) and flesh change (like TTS Legion had) and that lead to to the lost Primarch becoming corrupted by the Warp. As a result the entire Primarch and their Legion were removed from history and the minds of their brethren as it would have revealed the existence of Chaos to other Primarchs and their Legions and ending up even worse than the original timeline did if the other Primarchs became aware of Chaos.

There is a really cool essay on this floating on the web somewhere. The writer used to zodiac to speculate on the missing primarchs. According to his theory one would have been a powerful psyker very skilled in diplomacy. The other would have been a gambler and a risk taker.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Day 2 of the bolter build. Got the fortnite logos sanded off (via a a progression of 80/120/240 grit, followed by a final wet sand with 1000 grit). Then some Aquilas I got off of ebay. Had to put one set a bit farther back then most models have them in order to keep the battery door operable, but for mine, which I don't plan on ever shooting, I put them up front. Tomorrow, I can start painting.

 

[ParadiseLost]

Total War: Warhammer III just launched for pre-orders on Steam.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Day 3 of the build, and the first one is actually nearly done:


The biggest pain thus far has been masking between sections, making sure the tape is even on both sides is really tricky. It's turning put a lot better than I'd thought, I was worried that the copper on silver on gold look would be too metallic, but it's actually ok. Just need some touch up here and there, and a wash in the various damaged areas, and painting is done.

After that, it needs a hardcoat. I was hoping that wouldn't be necessary, since this was painted using acrylic craft paints, which are generally pretty tough, but it's sadly required as the paints already gotten scuffed a few times in the course of the build.

 

[Tyzuris]

One of the best soundtracks I've ever heard. The movie on the other hand...

 

[Battlegrinder]

And it's done! The handgrip under the barrel is a bit scuffier than I'd hoped, but it works. And I was able to cut and shape the strips on the other side enough that you can still get the battery door open, which was the key thing.

Edit: had one of those midnight flashes of inspiration, only it wasn't midnight so I was awake enough to implement it. Ripped off the old hangars and replaced it with EVA foam, which is thinner, easier to work with, and paintable.