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Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
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I'm more interested in what's going on in the farm fields than whatever the hell a B-2 leaving low altitude contrails near a mountain range (probably the Ozarks) and just passing through is up to.
That's just a normal midwestern/Great Plains drainage erosion.

Lots of farms and ranches use the land right up to the drainages drop off/edge.
 

Buba

A total creep
The Air Force should never be indepentant of the Army.
Yup. Time and again the air force being an independent service has proven to be a stupid idea.
The sad reality is that we're probably going to see the return of air forces being subservient to the army,
Just like a married state is the natural state for people over 25, the natural state of an air force is being part of the Army.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
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I'm more interested in what's going on in the farm fields than whatever the hell a B-2 leaving low altitude contrails near a mountain range (probably the Ozarks) and just passing through is up to.
As bacle said. Used a lot of drainage fields for various things
Yup. Time and again the air force being an independent service has proven to be a stupid idea.

Just like a married state is the natural state for people over 25, the natural state of an air force is being part of the Army.
It is.
HAVE YOU SEEM WHAT THEY HAVE BECOME! THWY HAVE BECOME LAUGHING STOCKS!!!!
They need proper training and to be under the Army again.
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
Founder
As bacle said. Used a lot of drainage fields for various things
Less 'drainage fields', more crop fields up to the edge of natural drainages/streams.

Though sometime actual drainage fields for different places can be useful; you can make galvanic generators out of the leach fields for septic tanks if you put north/south oriented copper wires and insulators in long rowes to create natural circuits with the wet ground, and get free energy directly from Earth's magnetic field.

Usually isn't more than a trickle charger, but it works.
 
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paulobrito

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If that is from a cheap action movie, in the door of that plane you get the hero/villain with a MANPAD ready to shutdown that B-2.
 

bintananth

behind a desk
If that is from a cheap action movie, in the door of that plane you get the hero/villain with a MANPAD ready to shutdown that B-2.
That, or an irritated farmer with more money and licences than sense deciding that the six 0.50BMG machine guns his antique T-33* came with need a "workout".

* A two-seat trainer derived from the P-80 Shooting Star and used for decades. The Brits actually delayed their jet fighter programme by providing engines to the US so Lockheed and Allison could get to work.
 

Aaron Fox

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Yup. Time and again the air force being an independent service has proven to be a stupid idea.
Thing was, Congress was getting back to its 'screw the military' phases after WW2, the atom bomb was in its 'what the fuck we're going to do with it' phase (remember, it was a better part of a decade before the power of atomic weapons was fully realized).
Just like a married state is the natural state for people over 25, the natural state of an air force is being part of the Army.
That is not the natural state. That is wholly dependant on stupid amounts of factors, especially economical and technological factors. Marrying young was a common thing for millennia because of the death rate and lack of medical science. Our current economic and technological situation is forcing people to marry late, largely because it's far harder to get established enough to get a family these days (all the good, 'easy' (i.e. doesn't need years in technical or college to get in) jobs vanished and the 'entry level' aren't entry-level anymore to start).
HAVE YOU SEEM WHAT THEY HAVE BECOME! THWY HAVE BECOME LAUGHING STOCKS!!!!
They need proper training and to be under the Army again.
You'll need the USAF to do something incredibly stupid like, oh, pull a coup or something of that caliber for you to be able to do that again. The current mentality of the USAF is, essentially, never be under the Army ever again... even if it means stripping the US military. Remember, these are the guys that worshipped Bomber Harris of all people.
 
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Buba

A total creep
That is not the natural state. SNIP
I was trying to be funny, not serious. Sowee!
:(
these are the guys that worshipped Bomber Harris of all people.
And whose spiritual father was "Cheater" Mitchel.
And "Dumb" Douhet.
They are like commies or other religious fanatics - the doctrine has been proven time and again to not work, but they still go around preaching it and making "that one more try to get it right" and making everybody else miserable with their shit.
Hmm, I think I need a cooldown period after ranting at the flyboys who refuse to do their ONE JOB, i.e. CAS :)

brRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT, over and out
:)
 
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Aaron Fox

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I was trying to be funny, not serious. Sowee!
:(
Sorry, had some shitty 'conservative' people pull that on me. :rolleyes:
And whose spiritual father was "Cheater" Mitchel.
And "Dumb" Douhet.
They are like commies or other religious fanatics - the doctrine has been proven time and again to not work, but they still go around preaching it and making "that one more try to get it right" and making everybody else miserable with their shit.
Hmm, I think I need a cooldown period after ranting at the flyboys who refuse to do their ONE JOB, i.e. CAS :)

brRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT, over and out
:)
The thing is, the strategic bombing campaign did a lot of damage in both physical and psychological. The problem was that the sights were spec'd for far lower altitudes in the case of USAAF bombers. While CAS is important (and is more reliant on how close the ordinance is dropped than the actual aircraft), air interdiction, ground interdiction, and -if possible- strategic bombing are also important. The only real problem for the air force to do its job is, well, air defense...
 
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bintananth

behind a desk
The only real problem for the air force to do its job is, well, air defense...
Area area air defense is more easily done by some bored guys and gals on the ground who don't want you nearby saying "Bingo!" than it is for a fighter pilot up above who has to worry about things like "how many minutes of fuel do I have left?"
 

Aaron Fox

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Area area air defense is more easily done by some bored guys and gals on the ground who don't want you nearby saying "Bingo!" than it is for a fighter pilot up above who has to worry about things like "how many minutes of fuel do I have left?"
Yes and no. Largely because our experience has always proved that sending units out is far more cost-efficient than simply using AA (especially SAMs). This is surprisingly the experience shared by anyone that is even Arab-competent. Even Russia/the Soviets practiced this despite the fact their aircraft were deficient in capabilities in comparison to their western counterparts in various elements (particularly electronics and turbines) and integrated it into their IADS network.

This is despite the advances in air defense mind you.

Remember, the enemy has a vote in warfare too, and you'll need to keep enemy CAS away from your ground assets while your aircraft is trying to eliminate theirs... which leads to enemy aircraft trying to eliminate your air cover... and soon enough it's a confusing mess.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
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The US AD system is run by the Army Marine and Navy and the AF doesn't have anything but AS. AF relies on the Army for anything thier fighters and bombers can't defend against. Like what the patriot can defend against
 

bintananth

behind a desk
The US AD system is run by the Army Marine and Navy and the AF doesn't have anything but AS. AF relies on the Army for anything thier fighters and bombers can't defend against. Like what the patriot can defend against
The AF has a good marketing department and flying a "zoom-zoom" fighter is a whole hell of a lot sexier than, oh, I don't know ... the 115-ish lbs of gear a guy on the ground has to walk around with for hours on end.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
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The AF has a good marketing department and flying a "zoom-zoom" fighter is a whole hell of a lot sexier than, oh, I don't know ... the 115-ish lbs of gear a guy on the ground has to walk around with for hours on end.
The Army has the thing of "Shoot guns and see the world"
 

Harlock

I should have expected that really
The real reason NORAD tracks Santa

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This one is nifty, designed at the end of WWII but looks like it would be fine flying up to the 60s
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bintananth

behind a desk
Good old Blackburn Buccaneer, a low level strike aircraft from the cold war.
very low level

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before health and safety was a thing

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pretending to be a car

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That's a very interesting aircraft I first read about as a kid. At low speeds the pilot wasn't using the throttle to control airspeed and keep from stalling. He was using the airbrake and the flaps because bleed-air from the turbines was ducted into the wing leading edge and vented to help provide lift.

EDIT: That thing behind the tail which makes is look like it's a bird having trouble with a bowel movement is the airbrake. They were also what the South African Air Force would have used to deliver a nuke before Apartheid ended and were designed for carrier operations.
 
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BF110C4

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I can see the australian SU-27 or their younger brother the Su-30 being a reality if their government had not participated in the development of the F-35, especially since Indonesian Flankers participated in a joint exercise in 2012 so the possibility of examining the craft for a future purchase was there.
 

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