Vivek Ramaswamy 2024 primary

[Blasterbot]

Saw this I got to say I like him even more than Trump. anyone else got any thoughts on him?

 

[Blasterbot]

lets try this again. I love this guy the more I hear him talk. very populist 8-9 out of ten for me to Trump's 6 out of 10. has anyone else been paying some attention to him and want to share opinions on him?

 

[Rocinante]

I've been watching every interview that pops up. He was on Tucker recently.

I like him more every time I hear him speak. He's my current pick. If primaries were tomorrow, im voting Vivek.

 

[Bacle]

I've been watching every interview that pops up. He was on Tucker recently.

I like him more every time I hear him speak. He's my current pick. If primaries were tomorrow, im voting Vivek.

The guy supports a 59% death tax, as well as being rather quick to slurp up Russian propaganda with regards to Ukraine, even when it's pure bullshit.

Ramaswamy alleges ‘open questions’ over Zelensky’s ‘treatment of religious minorities,’ including Jews

The 37-year-old ‘anti-woke’ crusader was unable to cite any specific examples to support his claim

jewishinsider.com

He was also the one who wanted to force government service or a civics test in order to vote before you are 25:



As well, he is someone who made his money via sketchy means with an biotech company out of Bermuda, which had a failed Alzhiemers drug. He's a biotech shiester and someone who is very good at 'rebranding' other people's work to try to make money off of it in...odd ways.

Private Site

darntons.com

I think the more someone looks into the guy, the less people will like what they see.

 

[Blasterbot]

The guy supports a 59% death tax, as well as being rather quick to slurp up Russian propaganda with regards to Ukraine, even when it's pure bullshit.



He was also the one who wanted to force government service or a civics test in order to vote before you are 25:



As well, he is someone who made his money via sketchy means with an biotech company out of Bermuda, which had a failed Alzhiemers drug. He's a biotech shiester and someone who is very good at 'rebranding' other people's work to try to make money off of it in...odd ways.



I think the more someone looks into the guy, the less people will like what they see.

Didn't know the death tax thing. haven't heard him talk about it. Don't like it. doesn't disqualify him in my mind though.

I like the talk of duty he has. I doubt that what he wants can happen without a constitutional amendment. when it comes to passing a civics test equal to what we ask immigrants to pass before they can vote I like the idea. having 2 exceptions be those who sign up for service or being 25 looks like a reasonable ask.

He failed to make an Alzheimers drug. He succeeded at developing 5 other life saving drugs and had to work with the FDA to do it. giving him 1st hand experience on how awful those 3 letter agencies get.

All in all he looks to me to be a Trump figure who is younger, more energetic, has learned from his predecessor, and is more tactful and diplomatic while being unapologetically pro-America.

 

[Bacle]

Didn't know the death tax thing. haven't heard him talk about it. Don't like it. doesn't disqualify him in my mind though.

I like the talk of duty he has. I doubt that what he wants can happen without a constitutional amendment. when it comes to passing a civics test equal to what we ask immigrants to pass before they can vote I like the idea. having 2 exceptions be those who sign up for service or being 25 looks like a reasonable ask.

He failed to make an Alzheimers drug. He succeeded at developing 5 other life saving drugs and had to work with the FDA to do it. giving him 1st hand experience on how awful those 3 letter agencies get.

All in all he looks to me to be a Trump figure who is younger, more energetic, has learned from his predecessor, and is more tactful and diplomatic while being unapologetically pro-America.

I see a shiester and likely controlled opposition, as well as someone who is a closet socialist in a GOP uniform, and just very good at hiding it.

 

[Rocinante]

The guy supports a 59% death tax, as well as being rather quick to slurp up Russian propaganda with regards to Ukraine, even when it's pure bullshit.

Ramaswamy alleges ‘open questions’ over Zelensky’s ‘treatment of religious minorities,’ including Jews

The 37-year-old ‘anti-woke’ crusader was unable to cite any specific examples to support his claim

jewishinsider.com

He was also the one who wanted to force government service or a civics test in order to vote before you are 25:



As well, he is someone who made his money via sketchy means with an biotech company out of Bermuda, which had a failed Alzhiemers drug. He's a biotech shiester and someone who is very good at 'rebranding' other people's work to try to make money off of it in...odd ways.

Private Site

darntons.com

I think the more someone looks into the guy, the less people will like what they see.

Well i definitely don't like the death tax thing

 

[Blasterbot]

You're gonna have to elaborate on that. Dude literally says that "Capitalism is the best system known to man to lift people up from poverty" he isn't a commie. Controlled opposition? gonna need something to back that up. A shiester? because he ran a biotech company? I don't see it.

 

[Bacle]

You're gonna have to elaborate on that. Dude literally says that "Capitalism is the best system known to man to lift people up from poverty" he isn't a commie. Controlled opposition? gonna need something to back that up. A shiester? because he ran a biotech company? I don't see it.

He cites a socialist in his death tax argument; pretty cut and dry for me.

 

[Blasterbot]

He cites a socialist in his death tax argument; pretty cut and dry for me.

and that isn't good but that doesn't make him a socialist. one can think a socialist has a point without agreeing with communism. an inheritance tax while not good isn't socialism. he is clearly a capitalist. he is very much a nationalist. he is religious even if he is Hindu. He at least respects the value that Christianity brings with it. His main talking points are about Duty and a revival of American spirit. things that are deeply needed.

 

[Bacle]

and that isn't good but that doesn't make him a socialist. one can think a socialist has a point without agreeing with communism. an inheritance tax while not good isn't socialism. he is clearly a capitalist. he is very much a nationalist. he is religious even if he is Hindu. He at least respects the value that Christianity brings with it. His main talking points are about Duty and a revival of American spirit. things that are deeply needed.

He's acting like he's bitter towards people who's parents were native born Americans instead of immigrants who had to spend years and tons of effort to become citizens, and is taking out his sour grapes from that.

The 'cannot vote without service or test till 25', the 59% death tax, the playing around with other groups racial issues.

As well, that Hindu bit is why I think this guy may also be...lets say trying to create a backdoor India-style caste system into the US, at a legal level, with some of his shit. The Indians who have come to the US have come in such numbers and from all parts of Indian society, and have gotten to the point of importing some of the caste system based beliefs/world view when dealing with other Indians in the US. I think we are seeing bleed over from that internal Indian immigrant caste system dynamic spilling into his politics.

 

[Blasterbot]

He's acting like he's bitter towards people who's parents were native born Americans instead of immigrants who had to spend years and tons of effort to become citizens, and is taking out his sour grapes from that.

The 'cannot vote without service or test till 25', the 59% death tax, the playing around with other groups racial issues.

As well, that Hindu bit is why I think this guy may also be...lets say trying to create a backdoor India-style caste system into the US, at a legal level, with some of his shit. The Indians who have come to the US have come in such numbers and from all parts of Indian society, and have gotten to the point of importing some of the caste system based beliefs/world view when dealing with other Indians in the US. I think we are seeing bleed over from that internal Indian immigrant caste system dynamic spilling into his politics.

The test is something that honestly every high schooler SHOULD be able to pass right out of high school. If they can't that is an indictment of the educational system.

the death tax is bad. not a deal killer. and it does fit with his populist anti-elite stances.

other groups racial issues? gonna have to elaborate there. everything I have seen is he is anti-affirmative action, pro-color blind policy.

the caste system stuff getting back doored in? you also are gonna have to elaborate. I have seen nothing about him trying to establish such. the guy is if anything working to prevent such with how he is going after the managerial elites.

 

[Bacle]

The test is something that honestly every high schooler SHOULD be able to pass right out of high school. If they can't that is an indictment of the educational system.

the death tax is bad. not a deal killer. and it does fit with his populist anti-elite stances.

No, death taxes hurt the poor and middle class most, because it destroys the ability to pass anything meaningful on to your kids without spending a lot of money to create trusts or such, and most families cannot afford to do that.

Death taxes are only 'anti-elite' to those to do not understand them outside of memes, and he openly says he "doesn't think anyone should be able to be a billionaire just because their parents were", aka hates the concept of interngenerational wealth because he feels only billionaires actually benefit from it.

other groups racial issues? gonna have to elaborate there. everything I have seen is he is anti-affirmative action, pro-color blind policy.

the caste system stuff getting back doored in? you also are gonna have to elaborate. I have seen nothing about him trying to establish such. the guy is if anything working to prevent such with how he is going after the managerial elites.

It's the '25 to vote without service', the death tax, the trying to impose restrictions on native borns now because of what his parents went through to become citizens back then, the willingness to try to fundamentally reshape the US Constitution with the Amendment's he wants into some Starship Trooper's-esque shit, and his generally hierarchical based thinking about obeying/serving those in power/above you to get rights/abilities before others.

He reeks of being a closet socialist who knows the right buzzwords to get people to back him who haven't dug to deep, and the caste system bleed over in his socialist authoritarian trending politics seems like a serious concern. He seems like a GOP Bernie Sanders who's even less open about his socialist ideals/aims.

 

[Blasterbot]

The current death taxes only apply when you hit Multi millionaire levels of asset transfer. it really won't affect poor or middle class people unless inflation gets real bad. If it gets to the point where passing down an average home is a >5 million dollar transfer we will have bigger problems from a more than 10x inflation rate over a few years. I don't like or agree with it. but I can see how someone would support them.

You are reading a lot of motivations into the guy. You are a very intolerant person when it comes to someone having a difference of opinion on policy. You seem to assume the worst in someone every time you disagree with them. there are plenty of reasons to support limiting the franchise that aren't getting back at Americans for making my parents work. that you think Obeying those above you is what he means by duty and a revival of American spirit is rather telling.

you still haven't given anything other than the death tax as him being a socialist. dude is a capitalist. dude is a nationalist. dude supports families. dude doesn't want to destroy religion. the guy wants to absolutely gut the government bureaucracy. you haven't explained how he will set up his castes. he is if anything weakening what would be viewed as the upper castes in the Hindu system.

he does however have a bit in common with Bernie. Just like Trump did. they are all populists. they all appeal to a populist base. that doesn't make them socialists. you are gonna have to learn to tell the difference or you are gonna be getting a lot of false positives when trying to sniff out commies. also miss a fair few actual commies with institutional power.

 

[Bacle]

The current death taxes only apply when you hit Multi millionaire levels of asset transfer.

Wrong; even leaving a few hundred thousand to the kids is getting fairly heavily taxed.

 

[Blasterbot]

Wrong; even leaving a few hundred thousand to the kids is getting fairly heavily taxed.

https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/taxes/estate-tax

Estate tax rates

Tax rate	Taxable amount	Tax owed
18%	$0 to $10,000.	18% of taxable amount.
20%	$10,001 to $20,000.	$1,800 plus 20% of the amount over $10,000.
22%	$20,001 to $40,000.	$3,800 plus 22% of the amount over $20,000.
24%	$40,001 to $60,000.	$8,200 plus 24% of the amount over $40,000.
26%	$60,001 to $80,000.	$13,000 plus 26% of the amount over $60,000.
28%	$80,001 to $100,000.	$18,200 plus 28% of the amount over $80,000.
30%	$100,001 to $150,000.	$23,800 plus 30% of the amount over $100,000.
32%	$150,001 to $250,000.	$38,800 plus 32% of the amount over $150,000.
34%	$250,001 to $500,000.	$70,800 plus 34% of the amount over $250,000.
37%	$500,001 to $750,000.	$155,800 plus 37% of the amount over $500,000.
39%	$750,001 to $1,000,000.	$248,300 plus 39% of the amount over $750,000.
40%	$1,000,001 and up.	$345,800 plus 40% of the amount over $1,000,000.

yeah not good and I would want to get rid of it. but if someone tells me they want to raise that top bracket or add more brackets and raise it that isn't a deal breaker for me if the rest of their policies are good.

States with an estate tax

State	Exclusion amount (2022)	Exclusion amounts (2023)
Connecticut	$9.1 million.	$12.92 million.
District of Columbia	$4.25 million.	To be determined.
Hawaii	$5.49 million.	$5.49 million.
Illinois	$4 million.	$4 million.
Maine	$6.01 million	$6.41 million.
Maryland	$5 million.	$5 million.
Massachusetts	$1 million.	$1 million.
Minnesota	$3 million.	$3 million.
New York	$6.11 million.	$6.58 million.
Oregon	$1 million.	$1 million.
Rhode Island	$1.64 million.	$1.73 million.
Vermont	$5 million.	$5 million.
Washington	$2.19 million.	$2.19 million.

and the states too because they will double dip on it.

 

[Zachowon]

He is saying the base of it for all should be at nearly 60%.....
I don't mind the service part.
But he knows nothing about the Ukraine conflict

 

[DarthOne]

He is saying the base of it for all should be at nearly 60%.....
I don't mind the service part.
But he knows nothing about the Ukraine conflict

Uh huh.

Gadaffi wasn't giving soldiers viagra in Libya.

Babies weren't thrown out of incubators in Kuwait.

Iraq didn't have WMD's.

The US wasn't winning in Afghanistan.

These are just some of the lies our Government has told us to get us involved in wars.

Why should I believe them about Ukraine?

 

[Blasterbot]

He is saying the base of it for all should be at nearly 60%.....
I don't mind the service part.
But he knows nothing about the Ukraine conflict

please give a citation that he wants to get rid of the progressive levels of taxation on the estate tax. we got an article talking about how that rate is optimal when discussing people becoming billionaires from that wealth.

The Ukraine issue is probably a deal breaker for a lot of people. but Trump is against continuing to shovel arbitrary amounts of money. Vivek is too. Even DeSantis is quiet about it when pressed on it lately. It just isn't a good look for us to have disasters that fuck over Americans not get much federal aid run along side articles of yet another few hundred million in aid being approved for Ukraine every few months.

If Ukraine is your #1 priority vote Pence. He isn't concerned about American cities.

 

[Zachowon]

Uh huh.

Gadaffi wasn't giving soldiers viagra in Libya.

Babies weren't thrown out of incubators in Kuwait.

Iraq didn't have WMD's.

The US wasn't winning in Afghanistan.

These are just some of the lies our Government has told us to get us involved in wars.

Why should I believe them about Ukraine?

We were winning in A-stan.
We literally kicked the Taliban into Pakistan because of what we did...

Iraq had chemical weapons.

And unlike all the wars that started over 2 decades ago, we have thousands of hour of footage from people's phones and the like

please give a citation that he wants to get rid of the progressive levels of taxation on the estate tax. we got an article talking about how that rate is optimal when discussing people becoming billionaires from that wealth.

The Ukraine issue is probably a deal breaker for a lot of people. but Trump is against continuing to shovel arbitrary amounts of money. Vivek is too. Even DeSantis is quiet about it when pressed on it lately. It just isn't a good look for us to have disasters that fuck over Americans not get much federal aid run along side articles of yet another few hundred million in aid being approved for Ukraine every few months.

If Ukraine is your #1 priority vote Pence. He isn't concerned about American cities.

Trump thinks he would be able to broker peace day one of taking office.
Unless he threatened putins army with US troops in Ukraine and Ukraine gaining back its pre 2014 borders, Ukraine won't take the deal