USS Doris Miller

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Note that Mr. Miller’s battle didn’t end at Pearl Harbor. He fought his way across the Pacific until his watch ended slightly less than two years later when he was killed in action when USS Liscome Bay was sunk by a Japanese torpedo attack at the Battle of Makin Island.

Also, the new ship will be the namesake of USS Miller (FF-1091).
 

Husky_Khan

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His portrayal by Cuba Gooding Jr definitely the best part of that execrable Pearl Harbor movie.

The bit during the Pearl Harbor attack when his character is just trying to find a way to his battlestation and comes upon the bridge right after its hit by a torpedo and he finds the Captain of the West Virginia critically wounded. The Captain was grabbing him, telling him to find his XO to assume command and get the crews to their guns and begin damage control and he responds something like "Everyone is where they need to be Captain. You trained us well." There was some legitimate emotional impact in that little scene instead of it being spoiled by too much jingoism or overly dramatic narm like with the main characters and their nonsensical journey.
 
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Hlaalu Agent

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Next CVN to be named after Pearl Harbor Navy Cross recipient Doris Miller

Finally we see an end to the indignity of naming our carriers after unworthy Presidents. I think no single thing has made my heart happier in the administration—other things may be more important, but this just feels good.

Sounds like a good man to name it after. Hope Trump gets a ship, it will be a Battleship, with yuge guns. My opinions on the man are complicated, but he deserves nothing less. To me, the man deserves a battleship. Though, I am speaking of unworthy presidents. I am not sure of your opinions, Trump may be unworthy, he may not be, but he man deserves a battleship.

And anyways, I hope I need to read up on this Mr. Miller.
 

prinCZess

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Seems an infinitely better namesake than any politician--I never really understood that weird (what I think was solely post-war) phenomenon that developed of naming ships after Presidents/politicians at all--and especially not the one of naming them after living folks. The preexisting model, as far as I think existed, of famous battles and preexisting ship names like 'Enterprise' seemed like it worked fine and...I dunnow, maybe it's militant anti-aristocratic bias creeping in, but the idea of presenting a military to the world or to citizens that uses the largest and most prestigious vessels as namesakes in honor of individual politicians at all just...doesn't sit right with me.

If the US is to have 'famous individuals' included in what can be drawn from for names, Doris Miller is and was much more deserving of being honored in such a way than Roosevelt, Bush, Kennedy, or the grab-bag of others we've named carriers after over the last half-century...If one wants to nitpick with 'some of the politicians were navy vets', I would contend that just makes it dumber because they 'jumped the line' of more deserving, decorated individuals--like Miller--on account of becoming a purse-string manager after their 'relevant' service.

So complains this random internet-goer, anyways. Doris Miller seems a fine choice of name for the ship.
Personally, I'm hoping they slap 'Yorktown' or 'Lexington' on the next one.
 
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@prinCZess for what it's worth, George H.W. Bush actually won the Distinguished Flying Cross for operations around Chichijima and so is a legitimate candidate for having a warship named after him. The USS Truman is also not a terrible name: Harry Truman commanded an artillery battery in WWI and rallied his men under night attack by the Germans at one point when they were on the verge of overrunning the position of his field guns, and showing initiative by bringing his guns into action to support the 28th Inf. Div. when his operational orders were to support the 35th, which was against standing orders but drove back German guns positioning to enfilade the 28th. Naming a carrier after Truman, as opposed to a frigate, is however a bit of a stretch, though, since he wasn't decorated for those actions.
 

Aaron Fox

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Maybe they should honour politicians who have absolutely no control over the budget?

I am sure the USS George W. Bush and USS Barrack Obama would fit nicely alongside the USS Temujin, USS Vlad Tepes and USS Timur-i-Lenk
You forget US history, for about 150 years of US history, the US military has been fucked with by Congress every step of the way. The Cold War is a literal anomaly in that regard, but even then you've got problems of Congress axing programs left and right...
 

Hlaalu Agent

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You forget US history, for about 150 years of US history, the US military has been fucked with by Congress every step of the way. The Cold War is a literal anomaly in that regard, but even then you've got problems of Congress axing programs left and right...

And then misappropriating funds towards brass oinkers as well too?

That does sound pretty sad, but isn't that the problem with many nations? That their parliament/congress/etc. tends to defund their military, even though it is not the best idea?
 

Aaron Fox

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And then misappropriating funds towards brass oinkers as well too?

That does sound pretty sad, but isn't that the problem with many nations? That their parliament/congress/etc. tends to defund their military, even though it is not the best idea?
No, the US was horrible in this regard. It is actually amazing that the US military didn't pull a coup way back when...
 

Hlaalu Agent

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No, the US was horrible in this regard. It is actually amazing that the US military didn't pull a coup way back when...

The more you know. From what I know, I'd think the American politicians would be more respectful of their military...

Thank you for informing me.
 

Sailor.X

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I am glad he finally got a ship named after him befitting of his service. And an Aircraft Carrier to boot. It is a good day indeed. :)

I have an idea that I have been thinking on for a while. What about naming some Cruisers and Destroyers after families that have served the US Military with honor. We have a few examples. But I am talking about a ship named after a whole line of members. Like if you have 20 people who are related and honorably served the military over the coarse of decades that should at least get a ship consideration. What do you think?
 

Aaron Fox

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I am glad he finally got a ship named after him befitting of his service. And an Aircraft Carrier to boot. It is a good day indeed. :)

I have an idea that I have been thinking on for a while. What about naming some Cruisers and Destroyers after families that have served the US Military with honor. We have a few examples. But I am talking about a ship named after a whole line of members. Like if you have 20 people who are related and honorably served the military over the coarse of decades that should at least get a ship consideration. What do you think?
I kind of like how the current DD naming scheme is, i.e. destroyer captains get their names on destroyers... as you have no shortage of destroyer captains...
 

Sailor.X

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I kind of like how the current DD naming scheme is, i.e. destroyer captains get their names on destroyers... as you have no shortage of destroyer captains...
Except they named the Nicholons after a family and the Sullivans after the Sullivan Brothers that died in WW2. So the precedent is already their to do it.
 

Aaron Fox

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Except they named the Nicholons after a family and the Sullivans after the Sullivan Brothers that died in WW2. So the precedent is already their to do it.
True... but then again we haven't been pumping out DDs like they're going out of style though.
 

Big Steve

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The more you know. From what I know, I'd think the American politicians would be more respectful of their military...

Thank you for informing me.

There are era-specific reasons for this. For one thing, in the 18th and 19th Century standing armies were typically associated with tyranny and monarchy, with the legend of the "Minutemen" promoting a reliance on militia in the short-term that could be backed by a small Regular Army for minor conflicts (Indian Wars mostly), with the Regulars to be joined by Volunteers should a major war actually break out. The Civil War, then WWI and WWII saw this approach augmented by drafting from the adult male populace when manpower demands exceeded volunteers, although the draft started in WWII before we joined the war.

Then in 1947 the growing hostility toward the USSR prompted the peacetime draft that would last until after Vietnam ruined its social acceptability, and even then the Selective Service Act is still partially in force and American men have to sign up with the Selective Service Administration when they hit 18 (if they want things like student loans at least).

The important thing is that modern Congressional messing with the military isn't always the same as the 1800s.

Edit: ....and crap, I just necroed this thread. Bleh.
 

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