United States US presidential election 2024
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Buba
A total creep
And Trump- a person not holding any official post - is somehow guilty?!?
DarthOne
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Yeah, because a nation that can't even take Ukraine even before NATO 'aid' started arriving (most of which just gets pocketed by the local elites or gets sent back to the West for politician's slush funds to steal elections) is totally going to sweep Europe or whatever.
It's the same crap we get from you guys all the time. Russia is some super-juggernaut that simultaneously is a hairsbreadth from reenacting Command and Conquer Red Alert and taking over Europe or even invading the USA.... despite failing to even take over Ukraine.
At the same time, we're told that Russia is going run out of men and supplies any day now. Or otherwise collapse and see Putin deposed.
DarthOne
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No.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
If you want to be taken seriously, stop putting strawmen in people's mouths.
I'm not going to try to claim what Zachowon or Bacle think, but pretty much any of the rest of us who favor supporting Ukraine have a much more even-handed image of how the war is going than what you're depicting here.
DarthOne
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Well, go on then.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
'Go on' how?
I've laid out my position multiple times across multiple threads. I'd be willing to give you a recap/summary anyways if you want, since unlike some posters I don't recall you being caustically belligerent about the issue, but ping me on an actual Ukraine thread if that's what you want.
Most of the aid is the monetary value of of what we sent.
And my point is that we are literally having the right ask to pull a Chamberlain by going "Please stop the killing and end the war! What ever terms you want Mr Putin!!"
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
How much of the aid is even pocketable? Or are you one of the people saying they're reselling truckloads of artillery shells on "the black market"?
Honestly, I'm not sure Chamberlain deserves the comparison you're making. He opposed making a separate peace with Hitler after the invasion of Poland, after all.
I dont think he thinks that anymore but it was common occurrence for awhile.
So even Chamberlain realized he was wrong after.
Lol
mrttao
Well-known member
Graft is more sophisticated in america.
In china and russia they will indeed have the quartermaster selling the finished goods or anything easily disassembled, to any buyer. While the factories would be using substandard components to pocket the difference (much rarer in USA, although not unheard of). That is how you end up with russias ghost battallions, tanks missings hardware, and chinese missiles being refuelled with water instead of actual fuel.
In the USA, there is much less of that. The oligarchs do not like sharing so they harshly punish those caught down this.
Instead their preferred method is to say "we are giving ukraine 1 billion dollars"
But actually they are giving them 200 million in cash + 800 million "worth" of military goods. Except they are not really shipping 800 million worth of military goods, but more like 300 million worth and the other 500 million is "extra profit" for whatever "no bid contractor" is given the money by USA govt (for appropriate bribes and kickbacks). Not to mention that the base profit is bullshit to begin with. Since USA govt literally paid the salaries and budget of the engineers who developed the weapons in the first place, then gifted the IP and selling profit rights to oligarchs
This method of graft
1. ensures that the necessary war machines exist, and are in good working condition, and arrive where they need to go.
2. is less visible to the public. as there are no viral videos of soldiers opening a mortar shell to find it empty.
And of course for that 100 million in cash, they expect kickbacks too.
As per biden forcing burisma energy to give him 10 million dollar bribe.
Strong arming ukraine to arrest and silence individuals.
Having their accountant assassinted when he talked.
The accountant wife escaped to USA and came to the FBI with evidence, told the news she knows exactly where the accounts are holding the bribe money.
The FBI kicked her out of their building and kept her out until she was assassinated here in the USA.
Oh and wait. actually audits of the pentagon shows that over half the budget disappears
The Pentagon has failed its SIXTH audit in a row! "Half of DOD’s assets can’t be accounted for."
I would say, "This is your taxpayer money at work," but in order to say that we'd have to know where the money went.
notthebee.com
50% ghost companies is pretty bad, not as bad as russia's 90+% ghost companies.
So really that 1 billion to ukraine is:
500 million "disappears" outright in the USA before anything else.
100 million cash (with kickbacks. most disappears in ukraine. remember it is "treason" for a senator to ask we appoint an accountant to keep track of the money and how it is spent)
400 million "worth" of weapons (actually 100m worth of weapons )
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sigh That's not a good counterpoint, Zach.
strunkenwhite
Well-known member
Oh, I thought that when he said "local elites" he meant Ukraine, not the source countries. I still disagree but it's a different topic.
I guess someone finally told her she's dumb to continue.Nikki Haley likely to withdraw from race
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
Why did she even bother?Nikki Haley likely to withdraw from race
I myself have more mixed views of Donald Trump, but he was always going to be the nominee hands down.
Because she made a fuck ton of money off of it