Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

[Spartan303]

Several factors are at play here concerning the Military and recruitment.

The Economy is in absolutely in an abysmal mess thanks to Joe Biden. This should be PERFECT for Military recruitment as the Military is often seen as a source of stability and safety for young men seeking purpose and employment. That is not happening here. For one, no one in the military respects Joe Biden. He's not popular with the troops or even the higher ups in the chain of command. But he's the President, so they obey.

The next issue is the new policies being instituted by the higher ups. They're concentrating more on transsexual integration, gay acceptance and sexual harassment than warfighting training. That...doesn't usually sit will with the troops. They understand, at least on some level, they're there to fight.

Third, there is the prospect of a real war world war on the horizon. Joe Biden is blundering again and again and bringing us closer to a real world war. That frightens people. So despite the bad economy they're not joining up to fight for a President they don't respect in a war that seems more and more likely with each new blunder Joey bag of donuts makes.

 

[Zachowon]

Several factors are at play here concerning the Military and recruitment.

The Economy is in absolutely in an abysmal mess thanks to Joe Biden. This should be PERFECT for Military recruitment as the Military is often seen as a source of stability and safety for young men seeking purpose and employment. That is not happening here. For one, no one in the military respects Joe Biden. He's not popular with the troops or even the higher ups in the chain of command. But he's the President, so they obey.

The next issue is the new policies being instituted by the higher ups. They're concentrating more on transsexual integration, gay acceptance and sexual harassment than warfighting training. That...doesn't usually sit will with the troops. They understand, at least on some level, they're there to fight.

Third, there is the prospect of a real war world war on the horizon. Joe Biden is blundering again and again and bringing us closer to a real world war. That frightens people. So despite the bad economy they're not joining up to fight for a President they don't respect in a war that seems more and more likely with each new blunder Joey bag of donuts makes.

It doesn't help that the military isn't keeping people stable woth money.
Barley making enough to survive

 

[Spartan303]

It doesn't help that the military isn't keeping people stable woth money.
Barley making enough to survive

With inflation, yes. Pay isn't keeping up. Some might be willing to risk everything else for better pay, but that's not happening as of right now at least.

 

[Zachowon]

With inflation, yes. Pay isn't keeping up. Some might be willing to risk everything else for better pay, but that's not happening as of right now at least.

Nope.
BAH and BAS isn't covering for what it costs now.

 

[Circle of Willis]

It would seem military families are increasingly discouraging their younger generations from following the family tradition these days, as well.

 

[Bacle]

It would seem military families are increasingly discouraging their younger generations from following the family tradition these days, as well.

Not surprising; some of the biggest critics of the military and military service that I've met were former military or their kids.

But the brass and military leadership don't want to put the effort in to actually get non-sketch living conditions for troops, or update their expectations from civies.

When most of the youth don't qualify for service anyway, and people leaving the service have less good than bad to say about living conditions, no one should be surprised that even 'inhouse' recruiting via 'military families' is going to drop.

This isn't even touching that a lot of the leadership in DC, both civie and military, are untrustworthy and self-centered, so no one really wants to sign up to serve them.

 

[Arch Dornan]

It would seem military families are increasingly discouraging their younger generations from following the family tradition these days, as well.

Why die for a country that spits on their sacrifices indeed?

 

[Zachowon]

Not surprising; some of the biggest critics of the military and military service that I've met were former military or their kids.

But the brass and military leadership don't want to put the effort in to actually get non-sketch living conditions for troops, or update their expectations from civies.

When most of the youth don't qualify for service anyway, and people leaving the service have less good than bad to say about living conditions, no one should be surprised that even 'inhouse' recruiting via 'military families' is going to drop.

This isn't even touching that a lot of the leadership in DC, both civie and military, are untrustworthy and self-centered, so no one really wants to sign up to serve them.

Actually the military is increasing its housing conditions.
For instance Fort Hood has built new housing after tearing down the old one sbecause of issues

 

[Bacle]

Actually the military is increasing its housing conditions.
For instance Fort Hood has built new housing after tearing down the old one sbecause of issues

That's a fucking band-aid on an arterial wound, and you know it; 'better housing' at one base, or just a few, doesn't change the underlying issues causing people not to want to join.

Maybe stop bootlicking for a bit, and actually own up to the issues articles like that point out about the effects on trying to have families, relationships, and worthwhile living conditions.

There are systemic issues with the US military, beyond Biden, that have been driving recruitment down for years, and these are issue the Pentagon and brass do not want to address because they poke massive holes in the mythology of pride and prestige built up around the US military.

Until the brass and military learn to check their egos and start fixing systemic issues, recruiting will continue to drop.

 

[Zachowon]

That's a fucking band-aid on an arterial wound, and you know it; 'better housing' at one base, or just a few, doesn't change the underlying issues causing people not to want to join.

Maybe stop bootlicking for a bit, and actually own up to the issues articles like that point out about the effects on trying to have families, relationships, and worthwhile living conditions.

There are systemic issues with the US military, beyond Biden, that have been driving recruitment down for years, and these are issue the Pentagon and brass do not want to address because they poke massive holes in the mythology of pride and prestige built up around the US military.

Until the brass and military learn to check their egos and start fixing systemic issues, recruiting will continue to drop.

Ir, all I am saying is the Army, the branch hurting second to the Navy, is actually trying to make up and fix a lot of issues at its biggest bases...

 

[Bacle]

Ir, all I am saying is the Army, the branch hurting second to the Navy, is actually trying to make up and fix a lot of issues at its biggest bases...

As I said, it's a band-aid on an arterial wound.

 

[Zachowon]

As I said, it's a band-aid on an arterial wound.

The military has been working towards this fir awhile now.
Bureaucracy and all that

 

[Bacle]

The military has been working towards this fir awhile now.
Bureaucracy and all that

What they need to work on is not huffing their own farts on PR/historical issues, and not sending people to die for nothing.

Like with Veitnam and Iraq; when the military is so unwilling to swallow it's own ego and pride, unwilling to admit a lot of people (soldiers and civies) died for nothing, and unwilling to admit we only got involved in Vietnam because France threatened to night fight Russia if we didn't defend their colony, while people like you still pretend the 'WMDs' in Iraq justified what happened there,

The US military's ego and pride, and it's desire to pretend unjustified wars were justified, are it's biggest weaknesses, and one of the biggest hurdles to regaining the trust of the US public.

 

[Zachowon]

What they need to work on is not huffing their own farts on PR/historical issues, and not sending people to die for nothing.

Like with Veitnam and Iraq; when the military is so unwilling to swallow it's own ego and pride, unwilling to admit a lot of people (soldiers and civies) died for nothing, and unwilling to admit we only got involved in Vietnam because France threatened to night fight Russia if we didn't defend their colony, while people like you still pretend the 'WMDs' in Iraq justified what happened there,

The US military's ego and pride, and it's desire to pretend unjustified wars were justified, are it's biggest weaknesses, and one of the biggest hurdles to regaining the trust of the US public.

The Ego and Pride are how we are so effective and make do with shit situations.
The US AF doesn't have any shit situations and suck because if it for example and being the most woke

 

[Bacle]

The Ego and Pride are how we are so effective and make do with shit situations.
The US AF doesn't have any shit situations and suck because if it for example and being the most woke

Pride and ego do not make anyone 'effective', they make people blind to things they should be able to see, and cause them to chronically overestimate themselves/overestimate their image to others.

Because the military cannot seem to put pride and ego aside in the name of rebuilding public trust, do not be surprised when recruitment and retention numbers keep dropping.

The whole post-WW2 mythology the US military has built for itself is a farce of face-saving lies and trying to pretend every enemy are 'the next Nazi's', so they can try to utilize WW2 'glory' for fights far less justified than WW2 was.

We fucking aided the Khmer Rouge against Veitnam, despite Pol Pot being a genocidal fuckhead, and threw Veitnam under the bus after just helping liberate them from the IJA, just to appease France. We fucking invaded Iraq on a bag of lies and misrepresentations.

How many people (civilians and soldiers) need to die needlessly, and pointlessly, in unjustified conflicts before the US military's pride and ego are satisfied?

 

[Marduk]

Because the military cannot seem to put pride and ego aside in the name of rebuilding public trust, do not be surprised when recruitment and retention numbers keep dropping.

And that has nothing to do with the recruitment numbers dropping, because if anything, the last time recruitment was fine the military had more pride and ego than now, so it can't be that.

Let's be honest, for the military there is literally no possible winning of anything in trying to appease the kind of crowd who whines about unjustified Vietnam and Iraq and the military not doing enough rhetorical self-flagellation over it.

 

[Bacle]

And that has nothing to do with the recruitment numbers dropping, because if anything, the last time recruitment was fine the military had more pride and ego than now, so it can't be that.

Let's be honest, for the military there is literally no possible winning of anything in trying to appease the kind of crowd who whines about unjustified Vietnam and Iraq and the military not doing enough rhetorical self-flagellation over it.

You think loss of public trust in the military has nothing to do with dropping recruitment and retention numbers?

Well you'd fit right in at the Pentagon.

 

[Zachowon]

You think loss of public trust in the military has nothing to do with dropping recruitment and retention numbers?

Well you'd fit right in at the Pentagon.

Bacle.
The people joining the military arnt your kind.
Those that are critical over the military and about these things are not the kind that join up.
They dint try changing it...

 

[Bacle]

Bacle.
The people joining the military arnt your kind.
Those that are critical over the military and about these things are not the kind that join up.
They dint try changing it...

And that pool/part of the population is shrinking every day, as the recruiting numbers show.

So yeah, keep trying to pull people from an ever-shrinking number of qualified bodies, while driving away all but that small group.

Though I guess since you are ok with using the threat of a draft to incentivize people joining, maybe you aren't that worried about force numbers, because you expect to just draft people if things get bad enough/war happens.

 

[Marduk]

You think loss of public trust in the military has nothing to do with dropping recruitment and retention numbers?

Well you'd fit right in at the Pentagon.

Don't do statistical magic for confirming your own political pet peeves and think of it in depth. Correlation is not causation.
The article linked in this post is pretty reasonable about the causes.
It's part money/organizational matters, and part the implications of current year politics in leadership (which is the connection between the real problems and the "public trust" issue as far as it counts). Plus millenia old conventional wisdom that military life is first and foremost single men's game somehow being surprising news.

And that pool/part of the population is shrinking every day, as the recruiting numbers show.

So, whose fault is that and what can be done to make this pool grow instead?