Military US Military Is Scared Americans Won't Fight For Globalism

[Zachowon]

And that pool/part of the population is shrinking every day, as the recruiting numbers show.

So yeah, keep trying to pull people from an ever-shrinking number of qualified bodies, while driving away all but that small group.

Though I guess since you are ok with using the threat of a draft to incentivize people joining, maybe you aren't that worried about force numbers, because you expect to just draft people if things get bad enough/war happens.

23% of the population are fit for the military.
That is how it has always been, well maybe 2% less then normal

 

[Agent23]

An Epidemic of Obesity: U.S. Obesity Trends

oday, nationwide, roughly two out of three U.S. adults are overweight or obese (69 percent) and one out of three is obese (36 percent). (2) While U.S. obesity rates have, overall, stayed steady since 2003, the rates are still rising in some groups, and disparities persist: Non-Hispanic black, Hispanic, and Mexican American adults have higher rates of obesity than non-Hispanic white adults. (2)

A striking US census map shows how much rural America has shrunk in the past decade

The Drug Overdose Epidemic Affects All U.S. Communities

Between all of this and the political divide the number of qualified recruits will become lower and lower.

 

[Bacle]

Don't do statistical magic for confirming your own political pet peeves and think of it in depth. Correlation is not causation.
The article linked in this post is pretty reasonable about the causes.
It's part money/organizational matters, and part the implications of current year politics in leadership (which is the connection between the real problems and the "public trust" issue as far as it counts). Plus millenia old conventional wisdom that military life is first and foremost single men's game somehow being surprising news.

Yes, that article went into more details on the issues; it also highlighted that the 'leadership issues' was one of the biggest causes listed.

The clue can be found in the "bad, corrupt, abusive, and controlling" military leaders section. That sounds like a catchall for bad political leadership at the top, given that the fish stinks from the head don, which includes wokester indoctrination and force-fed vaccines.

So acting like the 'public trust' argument is secondary seems like trying to minimize the effect bad leadership has had on the situation.

So, whose fault is that and what can be done to make this pool grow instead?

There is no singular 'fault' causing the shrinking recruitment pool.

As the articles have noted, fewer people even qualify to serve without waivers as the US populace and domestic society has changed in ways that produce less people who fit the US military's selection criteria. We also are simply having fewer kids, so there are less young people overall to indoctrinate into military life.

"Solving" the issue of the decline of military-aimed/desired demographics would first require fixing a lot of other issues in the US, and require the military to stop making it so soldiers can barely have a family life or afford a family.

I mean they could also go back to 'military service in lieu of prison time' deal to get bodies who might be fit enough to join, but that comes with a load of other potential issues.

23% of the population are fit for the military.
That is how it has always been, well maybe 2% less then normal

That's not what the articles I've seen make it sound like; it sounds like the number use to be higher than 25% of the population, and the 25% is just the realistic target the military works from now.

 

[Zachowon]

Yes, that article went into more details on the issues; it also highlighted that the 'leadership issues' was one of the biggest causes listed.



So acting like the 'public trust' argument is secondary seems like trying to minimize the effect bad leadership has had on the situation.
There is no singular 'fault' causing the shrinking recruitment pool.

As the articles have noted, fewer people even qualify to serve without waivers as the US populace and domestic society has changed in ways that produce less people who fit the US military's selection criteria. We also are simply having fewer kids, so there are less young people overall to indoctrinate into military life.

"Solving" the issue of the decline of military-aimed/desired demographics would first require fixing a lot of other issues in the US, and require the military to stop making it so soldiers can barely have a family life or afford a family.

I mean they could also go back to 'military service in lieu of prison time' deal to get bodies who might be fit enough to join, but that comes with a load of other potential issues.
That's not what the articles I've seen make it sound like; it sounds like the number use to be higher than 25% of the population, and the 25% is just the realistic target the military works from now.

It always has been that number.
So not really.

An Epidemic of Obesity: U.S. Obesity Trends


A striking US census map shows how much rural America has shrunk in the past decade

The Drug Overdose Epidemic Affects All U.S. Communities

Between all of this and the political divide the number of qualified recruits will become lower and lower.

Obesity means many things.
For instance, if it goes by BMI a lot of people are obese.

 

[Marduk]

Yes, that article went into more details on the issues; it also highlighted that the 'leadership issues' was one of the biggest causes listed.

So acting like the 'public trust' argument is secondary seems like trying to minimize the effect bad leadership has had on the situation.
There is no singular 'fault' causing the shrinking recruitment pool.

The issue here is that what you expect from the leadership is a bit different than what the military recruitment's "target audience" expects from it.
You expect more ideological self-flagellation about Iraq and Afghanistan.
They were always targeting the people who read about the leadership Jackson, Patton and John Paul Jones, but then these people find out that the current year leadership resembles the average career bureaucrat in D.C or Chicago more than them, with disappointment to follow. After all, if they are going to have to bother with all the fast growing bullshit of increasingly politicized civilian government jobs *plus* the inherent military hardships, why bother with the military?

As the articles have noted, fewer people even qualify to serve without waivers as the US populace and domestic society has changed in ways that produce less people who fit the US military's selection criteria. We also are simply having fewer kids, so there are less young people overall to indoctrinate into military life.

"Solving" the issue of the decline of military-aimed/desired demographics would first require fixing a lot of other issues in the US, and require the military to stop making it so soldiers can barely have a family life or afford a family.

If you mean fatsos, there are ways to deal with that, just needs some political will and a little funding in the grand scheme of military funding. But there is more political interest in talking about how military should manage transitioning its men into women than transitioning fatsos into bloatlords.

What kind of military, especially one that was somewhat active and successful at it, in all of history, was famous for family life friendly service conditions?
If less people have kids, why not try to recruit all those childless people not limited by having to drag a family around bases?

 

[Zachowon]

Because the military wants people to be able to have families so the population of the country can contuine to grow.
Single children can't be drafted for instance and you may not even be deployed as a single child

 

[Bacle]

The issue here is that what you expect from the leadership is a bit different than what the military recruitment's "target audience" expects from it.
You expect more ideological self-flagellation about Iraq and Afghanistan.

I expect military leadership and recruitment that isn't full of bullshit about ego and pride and that can actually engage in meaningful self-reflection and self-correction, and admits it's fuck-ups to help rebuild trust in the leadership and institution.

They were always targeting the people who read about the leadership Jackson, Patton and John Paul Jones, but then these people find out that the current year leadership resembles the average career bureaucrat in D.C or Chicago more than them, with disappointment to follow. After all, if they are going to have to bother with all the fast growing bullshit of increasingly politicized civilian government jobs *plus* the inherent military hardships, why bother with the military?

See, the thing is, those sorts (who uncritically believe only the good stuff/only focus on the good stuff about the US military till service disabuses them of those delusions) are fewer and fewer as time goes on.

And current US society isn't producing enough kids as is, never mind enough people to keep the military at 'full strength', so the military may need to start getting more realistic in what foreign commitments it makes. Scale commitments to manpower, not the other way around; get other nations to pick up the slack of their own defense and security, instead of expecting the American military to always be there.

If you mean fatsos, there are ways to deal with that, just needs some political will and a little funding in the grand scheme of military funding. But there is more political interest in talking about how military should manage transitioning its men into women than transitioning fatsos into bloatlords.

No, I meant people with psyche issues with cannot be PT'd away like obesity theoretically can be, chronic conditions showing up in younger and younger people, criminal records (tough on crime approaches may sound good in some cases, but they also disqualify more people from military service who might have just gotten a slap on the wrist before), and such.

I mean a majority of the youth in the US have some psyche condition or another these days thanks to how fucked things have been domestically and socially, along with the nasty results of some public schooling practices and side-effects from other medications.

Big Pharma pushing pills for everything and getting a lot of kids stuck on them definitely doesn't help the recruitment pool.

What kind of military, especially one that was somewhat active and successful at it, in all of history, was famous for family life friendly service conditions?
If less people have kids, why not try to recruit all those childless people not limited by having to drag a family around bases?

Because a lot of those 'childless people' aren't interested in military life, as they are usually 'childless' because they want a career or simply don't want the responsibility a kid entails.

 

[Marduk]

I expect military leadership and recruitment that isn't full of bullshit about ego and pride and that can actually engage in meaningful self-reflection and self-correction, and admits it's fuck-ups to help rebuild trust in the leadership and institution.

So you are asking for things that shouldn't be military's business, won't help the problem in question even if they happen, and are politically unfeasible at the same time. Utterly pointless to ask. But hey, it would make some people feel good about having their anti-military sentiments confirmed by the military itself. Not that they would want to join the military afterwards anyway.

See, the thing is, those sorts (who uncritically believe only the good stuff/only focus on the good stuff about the US military till service disabuses them of those delusions) are fewer and fewer as time goes on.


And current US society isn't producing enough kids as is, never mind enough people to keep the military at 'full strength', so the military may need to start getting more realistic in what foreign commitments it makes. Scale commitments to manpower, not the other way around; get other nations to pick up the slack of their own defense and security, instead of expecting the American military to always be there.

Top kek. Again, you have a somewhat different view of what constitutes "bad stuff about the US military" than the people it intends to recruit.
Secondly, do some math instead of repeating soundbites about there being not enough young people to fulfill military staffing needs. Even correcting for the different age demographics, also correct for population numbers, and compare the current needs to the numbers of Cold War US military.
As for commitments, most of the international ones aren't exactly massive manpower sinks, force structure and bureaucracy may be worth a bigger look at.

No, I meant people with psyche issues with cannot be PT'd away like obesity theoretically can be, chronic conditions showing up in younger and younger people, criminal records (tough on crime approaches may sound good in some cases, but they also disqualify more people from military service who might have just gotten a slap on the wrist before), and such.

I mean a majority of the youth in the US have some psyche condition or another these days thanks to how fucked things have been domestically and socially, along with the nasty results of some public schooling practices and side-effects from other medications.

Are these serious conditions or just bullshit that is eagerly written up by overly eager for bigger "customer base" medical system and government services that in normal countries and in USA of 50 or 100 years ago would be disregarded with a laugh?
In case of the latter, return to tradition, disregard it, have own in-house assessments without a suffocating blanket of safetyism, disregard stuff like "made some stupid drama back when he was a 14 year old".

And if the public school system can't even get its work quality to a point where its products are intellectually fit to be enlisted in the military, the clearest solution is for the next GOP president to find the general who is angriest about this state of affairs, put him in charge of the Department of Education, and give him full license to fire and hire people, no questions asked. From what i've heard the DoE really deserves such treatment.

Big Pharma pushing pills for everything and getting a lot of kids stuck on them definitely doesn't help the recruitment pool.
Because a lot of those 'childless people' aren't interested in military life, as they are usually 'childless' because they want a career or simply don't want the responsibility a kid entails.

Well military has to compete as a career provider with the civilian market too.

 

[Agent23]

*SNIP*

Wait, is a polish nationalist wannabe empire-builder actually arguing in favor of the merits of the US military and the overall fitness and willingness of the US population to join the military in a discussion with an American right-wing Chickenhawk, and the Pole is the one claiming that everything is OK?!?

 

[Marduk]

Wait, is a polish nationalist wannabe empire-builder actually arguing in favor of the merits of the US military and the overall fitness and willingness of the US population to join the military in a discussion with an American right-wing Chickenhawk, and the Pole is the one claiming that everything is OK?!?

Yes, your reading comprehension is bad indeed.

 

[Zachowon]

Thr US militaru usually gets smaller during times like right now.

 

[Agent23]

Yes, your reading comprehension is bad indeed.

TBH I don't see who you are quoting and arguing with/against, since I have both the people with the brain-constricting helmets blocked.

 

[Captain X]

Thr US militaru usually gets smaller during times like right now.

I'd say the woke politics and lousy pay have a lot to do with it.

 

[Marduk]

TBH I don't see who you are quoting and arguing with/against, since I have both the people with the brain-constricting helmets blocked.

Oh my, guess someone hacked your account then and posted that, quoting me. Have you considered deleting this clearly compromised account?

Wait, is a polish nationalist wannabe empire-builder actually arguing in favor of the merits of the US military and the overall fitness and willingness of the US population to join the military in a discussion with an American right-wing Chickenhawk, and the Pole is the one claiming that everything is OK?!?

 

[Agent23]

Oh my, guess someone hacked your account then.

So, you deny you are a polish nationalist wannabe empire builder and that you are trying to persuade people on here that the US citizenry is not massively unable and unwilling to go to war for their country?

 

[Marduk]

So, you deny you are a polish nationalist wannabe empire builder and that you are trying to persuade people on here that the US citizenry is not massively unable and unwilling to go to war for their country?

As i said, if that's what you have read from my last few posts in that thread, your reading comprehension is pretty damn bad.

 

[Agent23]

As i said, if that's what you have read from my last few posts in that thread, your reading comprehension is pretty damn bad.

Told you, I skimmed over your little spat.
What I saw is some stats and assumptions on your part that the percentage of the US population fit for military service has always been a out the same.

 

[Marduk]

Told you, I skimmed over your little spat.
What I saw is some stats and assumptions on your part that the percentage of the US population fit for military service has always been a out the same.

Well then go actually read that if you want to have a discussion instead of coming into the thread to spout some bullshit and to mention your silly "lalala i can't hear you" script that makes you look pathetic.

 

[BlackDragon98]

Soy is extremely horrible for men over the long term. ESTROGEN, soy contains estrogen. It's bad for men.

As a Chinaman, I strongly agree.

There's a truth to every stereotype they say . . .

And there's science behind every choice

soybean oil is also bad.

That's why I go with avocado oil, olive oil, or sunflower oil. Corn oil for frying.

Tofu is 100% pressed Soybean curd.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tofu

aye, it is.

Of actual non-soy vegetable alternatives, I can think of Beans and Rice or Corn, Lentils, and Spirulina Algae has a ridiculous amount of protein in it. However I don't know of any vegan meat substitute made from any of them, only soybeans can be processed and texturized to be meat-like.

beans and rice is good. I like it

Back in the day, I recall the Navy relied heavily on rabbit meat. Rabbits provide more protein per square foot than any other livestock and their meat is extremely dense with protein, the old navy records indicated 4 ounces of rabbit was sufficient for protein nutrition where 6-8 ounces of chicken or beef would be required for the same. They have the disadvantage of having almost zero fat content so you have to add some other source of oil or fat to them (You can literally go into a kind of shock called Rabbit Starvation where your body gets nitrogen poisoning from the ridiculous amount of protein in rabbit without enough carbs and fats to go with it to balance your biochemistry), however that wasn't really a big issue for Navy cooks who knew how to add cooking oil to a pan anyway.

YESSSSSSSS! Make the woketards scream in pain as we butcher thousands upon thousands of rabbits!

On the other hand, all that rabbit skin is enough to get the fur trade going again. I could use myself some rabbit fur gloves for the coming nuclear winter!

I've read that the main difference between Asian soy consumption and western one is that things like tofu and soy sauce involve fermentation, which is a pretty impactful chemical process that breaks apart most of the estrogen-like molecules, while the western style industrial ingredient soy use tends to use it without any such process, so the amount of phytoestrogens in those can be relatively higher.

tofu ain't fermented

soy sauce is, but TBH I don't even like the taste of it that much.

oyster sauce and fish sauce are the way to go.

It sounds like this might be a time for enterprising mushroom farmers to get some DoD contracts.

I guarantee mushroom burgers and patties will go over better than soy shit.

just make sure they don't put in the other kind of shroom

but yes, mushroom as a meat substitute would woke very well.

It would seem military families are increasingly discouraging their younger generations from following the family tradition these days, as well.

my old man is active duty and he told me that the military is a last choice.

An Epidemic of Obesity: U.S. Obesity Trends


A striking US census map shows how much rural America has shrunk in the past decade

The Drug Overdose Epidemic Affects All U.S. Communities

Between all of this and the political divide the number of qualified recruits will become lower and lower.

Ahhh, the M88 "Hermann Goering" bombs!

very effective, rather cheap to produce, but it takes some time to get the B and C models ready

 

[Marduk]

tofu ain't fermented

But i distinctly remember reading about fermented tofu...
With further research it appears that tofu has both fermented and unfermented varieties, not sure which is more common, probably varies with country.