Middle East US Airstrike decapitates Iraqi Hezbollah

It's their style, the higher ups most be right there where the happening is, it's why they lost so many high ranking IRGC officers in Syria. Soleimani traveled between Iran, Iraq and Syria all the time, they probably believed USA won't dare to touch him.
They aren't wrong in believing the US won't touch them with previous examples of US military ventures failing due to lack of will over rules of engagement.

They acted too blatant with the rules jumping in and out of the safety line so when Soleimani jumped out he got a lethal dose of explosives.

How irreplaceable was those high ranking IRGC officers in Syria?
 
Not particulary, plenty of ambitious middle ranking officers willing to take their place. Soleimani will be much harder to replace.
Reading another random forum, he really was one of a kind especially when the officer corps of that time when the Shah still lived ran away that lead to human wave attacks on Iraqis.

Then there's the previous embassy incident in Iran that made Carter look weak. Perhaps there were plans to do the same with slow signs to test American resolve with the protest for future hostages to be taken and so Trump struck.
 
Then there's the previous embassy incident in Iran that made Carter look weak. Perhaps there were plans to do the same with slow signs to test American resolve with the protest for future hostages to be taken and so Trump struck.
Baghdad embassy is too well defended to be taken by storm, this was meant to test defenses and American political resolve. The test results on resolve came back very positive. Iranian regime sees USA at the same time as the Great Satan (grudge going back to the Shah times), Saudi attack dog and Israeli bitch (even if Trump resisted incesant prodding to go to war with Iran so far). Their contest with Saudis for dominance in region and rage at existance of Israel is what they feed to their propaganda to cover for domestic failiures. To them it is incomprehensible that even part of Iraqi Shias would erupt into protests against Iranian hamfisted control of the country, so they decided to strike at the USA and taunted them to strike back, expecting strike at some low level proxies they could then turn into martyrs. Trump instead decided to hit them where it really hurts. It remains to be seen whether this will result in escalation or deescalation. For one, Iranian regime certainly can't afford to be seen as cowed by assasination.
 
The guy had a choice, go out and organise a series of conflicts that will kill countless people, or maybe just have a day off. Watch Bargain Hunt, have a nice bowl of ice cream, you know, do things that don't involve spilling the blood of the innocent.

All these comments on how could America do this? Why? I mean, duh.
Was the ice cream comment intentional? Trump is reported to have had some when he ordered a gibbing.
For one, Iranian regime certainly can't afford to be seen as cowed by assasination.
Ironic. They managed to cow the US before with hostages. Now the tables have turned.
 
My opinion is the opposite of many here. I think that this was a terrible action and a fundamental betrayal of Trump’s campaign rhetoric about putting America first. Just another in a long line of terrible actions the USA has taken in the region that will result in lost lives, lost treasure, and global instability. We should be getting out of Iraq, not assassinating foreign leaders :mad:
How in the world is taking out those scumbags a 'betrayal' of putting America First?

Trump just took out major threats to us in response to those fuckers agitating/assisting in an attack on a US Embassy. He went for surgical, meaningful strikes that would actually do something to show Iran and the rest of the world that they do not get to fuck with US citizens or assets without drawing a massive response.

It also shows little Kimmy Boy in Korea why he really should try to come back to the table, because if the balloon goes up, he'll probably be one of the first to go.

What Trump has done is surgically and judiciously use military force to weaken an enemy, get justice for service members Solemani helped kill over the years, and put the Ayatollah on notice that we don't need to invade Iran in order to get him and his IRGC cronies.
 
How in the world is taking out those scumbags a 'betrayal' of putting America First?

Trump just took out major threats to us in response to those fuckers agitating/assisting in an attack on a US Embassy. He went for surgical, meaningful strikes that would actually do something to show Iran and the rest of the world that they do not get to fuck with US citizens or assets without drawing a massive response.

It also shows little Kimmy Boy in Korea why he really should try to come back to the table, because if the balloon goes up, he'll probably be one of the first to go.

What Trump has done is surgically and judiciously use military force to weaken an enemy, get justice for service members Solemani helped kill over the years, and put the Ayatollah on notice that we don't need to invade Iran in order to get him and his IRGC cronies.
Something I notice is desired in a military attack. Quick strikes in and out especially with precision of a HVT. No more unnecessary casualties and costs.
 
Something I notice is desired in a military attack. Quick strikes in and out especially with precision of a HVT. No more unnecessary casualties and costs.
Yeah, in terms of shear cost-benefit, whacking those scumbags with an airstrike while they they were in transit to the airport was a very cheap way to decrease the cost of dealing Iran and it's proxies.

Plus, Solemani and his cohorts have been victimizing the Iranian people to the point there have been massive and ongoing protests in Iran for months now. The Ayatollah and IRGC are the enemies of the world, including thier own Iranian people.
 
Plus, Solemani and his cohorts have been victimizing the Iranian people to the point there have been massive and ongoing protests in Iran for months now. The Ayatollah and IRGC are the enemies of the world, including thier own Iranian people.
It's possible the media fooled them along with their past success of fucking around with the US that Trump being Trump would puss out even worse than the other presidents. Big mistake trusting the MSM.
Yeah, in terms of shear cost-benefit, whacking those scumbags with an airstrike while they they were in transit to the airport was a very cheap way to decrease the cost of dealing Iran and it's proxies.
The wet dream of generals and a public fearful of casualties.
 
This was quite honestly cintematic in a way. It's akin to a country sending their spy master to a contested area to start shit who's returned a bloody corpse or with their head and severed carcass returned as a warning.

Trump if he was one of those ancient martial leaders just walked up to his enemy and threw their spymaster's head at them right in front of all the bigwigs.

Erdrogan, Assad and all the other middle eastern big wigs with their own ambitions have seen what happened to the Iranian general and must be shocked too.
 
As you witnessed the cold war how do you feel with the aftermath of the US embassy this time?
It was a direct attack on US Territory. So taking out the guy behind it was a measured and appropriate response. The one thing I learned from my time in the middle east is that they only respect strength. Words don't cut it with them. And it has been that way for many thousands of years. Iran may hate our guts but they won't make the same stupid move again.
 
It was a direct attack on US Territory. So taking out the guy behind it was a measured and appropriate response. The one thing I learned from my time in the middle east is that they only respect strength. Words don't cut it with them. And it has been that way for many thousands of years. Iran may hate our guts but they won't make the same stupid move again.
If only that knowledge of self awareness is understood with the group of your fellow citizens who are panicking.
 
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It's their style, the higher ups most be right there where the happening is, it's why they lost so many high ranking IRGC officers in Syria. Soleimani traveled between Iran, Iraq and Syria all the time, they probably believed USA won't dare to touch him.

I do give the Iranians a lot of credit for the fact they are brave and always willing to lead from the front, and their officers care about their men and show it by exposing themselves to danger. They would be a real opponent in a war, with global reach to fight back if the gloves were off. They are also a polite, civilised people with an enormous history; I have had Iranian friends and even a mentor, one of the engineering professors in by bachelor's program, who I owe a great deal to, as he was there helping me get through the time when my father died in the middle of some of the worst weed-out classes in engineering school. I adore them as a people and that's exactly why they deserve better than the broken promises and wasted mirage of the current regime. Let's learn from our past mistakes in Afghanistan and Libya and restore the Pahlavis.
 
I do give the Iranians a lot of credit for the fact they are brave and always willing to lead from the front, and their officers care about their men and show it by exposing themselves to danger. They would be a real opponent in a war, with global reach to fight back if the gloves were off. They are also a polite, civilised people with an enormous history; I have had Iranian friends and even a mentor, one of the engineering professors in by bachelor's program, who I owe a great deal to, as he was there helping me get through the time when my father died in the middle of some of the worst weed-out classes in engineering school. I adore them as a people and that's exactly why they deserve better than the broken promises and wasted mirage of the current regime. Let's learn from our past mistakes in Afghanistan and Libya and restore the Pahlavis.
Time always makes yesterday's friends become todays enemies.
 
Let's learn from our past mistakes in Afghanistan and Libya and restore the Pahlavis.
And how much of Iranian population would USA have to kill to make it happen? 10%? 20%? 30%? The last shah still has the well deserved reputation of being American bitch and Iranians are prideful people, many don't like tha ayatollahs, but many more hate the notion of country being ruled by a foreign puppet, a multi decade bloody quagmire isn't exactly a sign of learning from past mistakes.
 
And how much of Iranian population would USA have to kill to make it happen? 10%? 20%? 30%? The last shah still has the well deserved reputation of being American bitch and Iranians are prideful people, many don't like tha ayatollahs, but many more hate the notion of country being ruled by a foreign puppet, a multi decade bloody quagmire isn't exactly a sign of learning from past mistakes.

Several times during protests in the past decade crowds have been chanting his name. The point wouldn't be to have a puppet regime or a long occupation, but simply set up a government that wouldn't cause trouble but could keep the Islamists from regaining power, and then depart. It's what we should have done in both Afghanistan (especially) and Libya, instead of sustained nation-building.
 
Several times during protests in the past decade crowds have been chanting his name.
And how many of those edgelords would keep calling his name once American bombs start falling?

The point wouldn't be to have a puppet regime or a long occupation, but simply set up a government that wouldn't cause trouble but could keep the Islamists from regaining power, and then depart.
That's exactly what Soviets planned to do in Afganistan in 1979. It didn't work out. And in Iran you have even less to work with. You have no armed force and no police to protect the puppet, you have no state apparatus to serve the puppet, all you have is American armed forces and whatever civilian administration they will set up and then they will train army, police and civilian administration from the fraction of population that supports the puppet and uphold them until they can find their feet. So it's going to be a bloody quagmire for quite some time. Oh and the fun part is that most of the groups that could actually asist you in Iran, like People's Mujahedeen, will be blowing up your troops instead, if the goal is the restoration of the Pahlavi dynasty.

But at least Saudi Arabia will be grateful that Americans are dying for their cause.
 
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My opinion is the opposite of many here. I think that this was a terrible action and a fundamental betrayal of Trump’s campaign rhetoric about putting America first. Just another in a long line of terrible actions the USA has taken in the region that will result in lost lives, lost treasure, and global instability. We should be getting out of Iraq, not assassinating foreign leaders :mad:

Well, it was an assassination of a military leader, not a political one. So it's not an assault upon their thought leaders so much as the people who are most capable of carrying it out. And as for Iraq, leaving Iraq will lead to global instability. Trump is also trying to leave Iraq, stupid stuff like this is the fault of Iran, who apparently thought that they could get away with an attack on our embassy.

I'm wary of this move. Big question I have right now: why was General Soleimani in Iraq rather than coordinating whatever he was in charge of safely in Iran?

Probably because not too many of his peers/rivals or even those he instructs has his level of skill and experience, not to mention personal connections to the terrorist cells that he has. In the Middle East, people don't share skills and knowledge like we do in the West, because having that secret makes you a greater asset and it being open knowledge makes you expendable. Someone will think twice about putting a bullet in your head if you're the only guy who can efficiently coordinate you Syrian-Israeli-Iraqi war strategies both to you and your peers and to the people doing the actual fighting.

That's great for the guy who knows the secret, until someone outside the social-political structure decides to take him out. Because at that point he has become a chokepoint of expertise and hence, a weak point. This was a brutal blow against the Iranians.

Can't they send communications over secure networks (not familiar with American intelligence capabilities, what I have heard paints them poorly), or did the military leadership really think they could travel through Iraq with impunity?

No, it's not that simple.

On the matter of ability, if you send a wireless signal, it can be picked up or even jammed by rival powers. That includes Israel, Turkey, and the United States. If you send a signal through cabal or wire, you're safe so long as someone hasn't tapped you between Iran and Syria. Neither of these are all that safe of means to transfer said information. On top of that, these terrorist cells demand a personal touch. They're being asked to have faith in people who live far away and are risking very little direct exposure themselves. Those leaders need to feel like they're important, both in personal time, the ability to coordinate strategy, and the ability to lodge complaints or requests. You can't send a lackey who has no means of assuring that to represent you. In addition to that, Iran works on plausible deniability, so any digital record of them sending orders or coordinating with terrorists could lead to US retaliation.

And in addition to that, you generally don't target people like this. The reason is that killing a general or head of state creates instability. An unstable entity is not someone you can engage in diplomacy with, so rival powers tend not to just off people within other governments. The bad outweighs the good. However, the US is looking to leave the region and so causing instability is a bonus for the US. And since the US is returning to its roots of being a naval power, this sort of move plays to our strengths.

Tensions flared up with the tanker attacks in May, which definitely have more of a bearing on the global situation thanks to the oil trade, yet no war started. Knowing that I'm not expecting Iran to start a full scale war.

I agree this probably won't escalate to a full war. Keep in mind though that those tankers being hit weren't American tankers. They were non-American. The Iranians more or less left our tankers alone.


They aren't wrong in believing the US won't touch them with previous examples of US military ventures failing due to lack of will over rules of engagement.

They acted too blatant with the rules jumping in and out of the safety line so when Soleimani jumped out he got a lethal dose of explosives.

How irreplaceable was those high ranking IRGC officers in Syria?

Iran has miscalculated.

See, traditionally we probably wouldn't pull a stunt like this because the US's role in the past several decades has been to try and act as a force of stability for the region. That's why a lot of people in the media seem to swing back and forth between supporting or condemning actions in the middle east by any president. In condemnation, it's generally because the media believes that the administration has produced more instability, often because of incompetence or accusations of corruption. It generally supports actions that brings stability to the Middle East, though it often skirts any approval of troop deployment, because it's not something the American public in any nation actually wants.

This is why Trump is rarely praised and he will not be praised here. Because what Trump has consistently done is produce instability. Because without US power in the area, history will unpause and three major powers will fight for domination of the area, the most brutal being between Saudi Arabia and Iran. So this is why when tankers are being hit, the media demands we do something. When one of our drones are shot down, the media condemns Trump for not responding because it produces instability--while at the same time condemning Bolton because his response would have also produced instability by severely damaging Iran. And Trump will not get approval here, because killing a top brass guy like this will produce instability both within Iran itself and within the greater Middle East as the Iranians seek to retalliate.

The miscalculation that Iran made was thinking that Trump was weak. They thought that since he did not respond to raids on tankers, or strike back for the attack on saudi oil infrastructure, or even destroying one of our spy drones--and within an election year, that Trump wouldn't dare to strike back. And they were very much mistaken. Because Trump can cripple Iran with one sortie order. And given what happend with this general, he can probably put some of their political elite thirty feet into a smoldering crater.
 

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