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@Emperor Tippy What do you think about the Iranian response? Still waiting for the sinking of a carrier or "the end of pax Americana"?

This launch is just about what I expected of them. Iran is unstable and terrified of the possibility of entering a war it isn't ready for.

Some people just play too much Modern Warfare and have unrealistic expectations, I guess.
 
@Emperor Tippy What do you think about the Iranian response? Still waiting for the sinking of a carrier or "the end of pax Americana"?

This launch is just about what I expected of them. Iran is unstable and terrified of the possibility of entering a war it isn't ready for.

Some people just play too much Modern Warfare and have unrealistic expectations, I guess.
1) Wait until Trump's speech to see what the US response is.

2) You do realize that what was said by pretty much everyone in place to know was that if any Americans died Trump was ready, willing, and prepared to start what was essentially an immediate full scale war with Iran. Balance of probabilities is what matters for discussing future events.

3) We don't actually know all of Iran's response. I highly doubt that this is all, you simply can't avenge someone like Soleimani without any bloodshed. There is also the conflict between what the foreign secretary said and what the IRG's leadership was saying.

4) This was called the First Phase of retribution. What the second and subsequent phases are going to be is an open question at the moment.

5) You do realize that Iran has publicly threatened attacks on pretty much every single city in the Middle East if the US drops so much as a single bomb on Iranian territory, right?

6) The position that I articulated as the US response to an Iranian attack was matched by pretty much every talking head on TV; that if the US strikes it will be and overwhelming and incredibly rapid air and sea campaign targeted on wiping out the Iranian Air Force, Navy, oil infrastructure, and IRG facilities.

The chain of cause and effect that you are taking issue with is triggered by a large scale US response on Iran, if you think that is materially unlikely then look at just how close we came last night. One US soldier in the wrong place at the wrong time and it happens.

If you think this has settled down I have some prime land on Jupiter to sell you. Especially when Trump's response isn't yet known, or what Iran will do afterwards.
 
Ha! The Iranian Minister of Foreign Affairs is already trying to deescalate!

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Reports say British and Canadians were part of the Ukrainian airline. A shit show for just starting 2020.

I'm given to understand that 180 of the passengers were actually Iranians.

EDIT: These numbers turned out to be wrong.

The crash, just as the Iranians are launching missiles at US bases, is too "coincidental" to be believed. Probably some trigger-happy SAM operator targeted it, or GPS jammers deployed to counter potential cruise missile retribution fucking with the civilian avionics.
 
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Look who's in charge of Canada, do you honestly see him doing any thing about that?
No on another forum they'd say Trudeau would offer hugs for peace and understanding and in Britain they would paraphase Khan's part and parcel shit about stabbings.

I'm given to understand that 180 of the passengers were actually Iranians.

The crash, just as the Iranians are launching missiles at US bases, is too "coincidental" to be believed. Probably some trigger-happy SAM operator targeted it, or GPS jammers deployed to counter potential cruise missile retribution fucking with the civilian avionics.
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What the fuck?

If they really shot down that airplane I have no words.
 
I'm given to understand that 180 of the passengers were actually Iranians.

The crash, just as the Iranians are launching missiles at US bases, is too "coincidental" to be believed. Probably some trigger-happy SAM operator targeted it, or GPS jammers deployed to counter potential cruise missile retribution fucking with the civilian avionics.

We know that Iran deploys systems capable of spoofing and taking control of drones. Complete speculation here, nothing more than my brain involved, but it is at least hypothetically possible that such a system could interfere with the datalink between a commercial airliner and the satellite network with which it continuously communicates status in the modern day (the system which, deactivated on MH370, still led to the notorious "pings" of that incident). With a poorly trained flight crew with poor situational awareness, this could lead to rapid escalation.

To be quite frank, with the Iranians getting their hands on the debris first, the downing will never be definitely solved, it will be like the Strage di Ustica. Likewise, the fact that the airliner seems to fall from the sky burning does tend to suggest that it might have been an accidental SAM launch. The Iranian IADS is good... But if they err on the side of engaging the enemy, they will accordingly become more likely to shoot down friendly targets by mistake.
 
Ok link I found says these nationalities of the people killed. Sweden, Iran, Canada, United kingdom, Afghanistan, Germany, Ukraine.



Ok responses....

Afganistan (Poorest country in the world can maybe send terrorists that's pretty much it as a response)

Germany (Their military is pretty much non existant and theirs no will to fight)

Canada (Currently led by an idiot sorry Canadians search your feelings you know its true response is unlikely)

Ukraine (currently dealing with Russian fuckery couldn't do shit even if they wanted to.

Sweden ( Puts on monocle and laughs)

UK ( Actually have the capability to help and their polititions would like the rally around the flag effect, could do some thing but likely only if America's helping)

Over all if they fucked up the only country that might say anything is the UK.
 
Ok responses....

Afganistan (Poorest country in the world can maybe send terrorists that's pretty much it as a response)

Germany (Their military is pretty much non existant and theirs no will to fight)

Canada (Currently led by an idiot sorry Canadians search your feelings you know its true response is unlikely)

Ukraine (currently dealing with Russian fuckery couldn't do shit even if they wanted to.

Sweden ( Puts on monocle and laughs)

UK ( Actually have the capability to help and their polititions would like the rally around the flag effect, could do some thing but likely only if America's helping)

Over all if they fucked up the only country that might say anything is the UK.
You raise a good point. Boris Johnson could raise a ruckus but he has Brexit to deal with.
 
You know @Realm, I wish you were American because you are one of the few people a draft could do some good. It would either slap the communist idealism out of you with a dose of reality, or give you actual military training to turn your revolutionary roleplaying and fantasies that much closer to something you can actually accomplish.
 
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You know @Realm, I wish you were American because you are one of the few people a draft could do some good. It would either slap the communist idealism out of you with a dose of reality, or give you actual military training to turn your revolutionary roleplaying and fantasies that much closer to something you can actually accomplish.

Kek, I still wonder what happens if you roll up to be drafted and say you seek the destruction of the american state. Do they just hand you the gun or what
 

That settles it. The absolute mongoloid with an itchy trigger finger did it.

It's almost a sad parody of a dictatorship run country from a propoganda cartoon. Someone important dies and a funeral is held. One of them was deeply affected by it and then when preparations of supposed revenge and retaliation is ready this guy is part of air defenses and thought hey I spy an enemy ship Imma shoot it with praises to Allah and the prophet except that was a plane leaving Iran.
 
Kek, I still wonder what happens if you roll up to be drafted and say you seek the destruction of the american state. Do they just hand you the gun or what

In Israel at least, there's a mental evaluation by a psychologist. If they decide that you're physically and mentally fit to serve it doesn't really matter what your ideology is, you're going to be handed the gun. Of course there are ideologies and behaviors that stem from them that can affect the mental fitness score, but only if you're actually a raving madman or something. Nobody cares about you being opposed to the state's existence and such, except of course you're not going to have a fun time socially speaking.
 
You know, it took a post on 4chan for me to think about it but when you look at the results this has been an embarrassing shitshow from the Iranian side. Their general gets blown up, as they're swearing revenge some 40 odd people get stampeded to death at his funeral with more injured, their rocket attack succeeds in killing no Americans and instead they shoot down a Ukrainian civilian plane carrying unrelated foreigners and some of their own civilians.
 
Also just some interesting articles from the Baghdad Post... maybe something was lost in (Google) Translation but you know those demonstrations that have been going on for months in Iraq now? Of course why report that here. It's all protests and "mourning" about Trump, not Iranian meddling.


Translated Article said:
The demonstrations of the Iraqi people against the corruption of the regime and subordination to Iran came as a strong storm against the leader of the Iranian regime, Ali Khamenei, who is trying with all force to eliminate those demonstrations that threaten his presence in Iraq.

Therefore, Iran hastily summoned the Sadrist leader, Muqtada al-Sadr, to make understandings aimed at making the Iranian plan to end the demonstrations in Iraq a success.

A close associate of the leadership committee in the popular crowd said, Iran informed the leaders of the crowd not to friction with the demonstrators, and avoided rough dealing with them, and turned a blind eye to the abuse of the images of the Iranian leader Ali Khamenei and the commander of the Quds Force Qassem Soleimani by the angry demonstrators.

Informed sources stated that the Iranian plan includes three main axes: The
first: neutralizing Muqtada al-Sadr and removing his followers from the pretending arenas in preparation for weakening them, and raising the ceiling on security protection from them.

The second: Preventing the militias associated with Iran from engaging with the demonstrators and inflicting heavy losses on their ranks, for fear of internationalizing the crisis and its exit from the control of Iran and the Iraqi government together.

The third: To satisfy the Shiite authority Ali Sistani, who has hinted that the popular crowd has been removed from contact with the demonstrators, and to persuade him that there is no practical intervention of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard in Iraq to neutralize its position and lift its support from the demonstrations!

Within the framework of implementing the Iranian plan, the leader of Asaib al-Haq retreated from the Iranian accusations of the protesters in connection with foreign agendas.

Qais Khazali, leader of the Iranian-backed Asaib Ahl al-Haqq party, said that 99 percent of the protesters are not linked to foreign agendas and goals, stressing that the formation of an independent election commission in light of the party's dominance seems like a lie that no one believes.

The parties and forces loyal to Iran have ignored the change of the name of a street in Basra that used to bear the name Khomeini and its name, the street of the martyrs of the October Revolution. This ignorance may come within the framework of Iran's soft policy towards demonstrations.

Sources in the Legal Committee in Parliament expect that the specialized committees will begin the first steps to transform the political system in Iraq from Parliament to President.

The head of the Al-Fateh coalition, which is close to Iran, Hadi al-Amiri, had announced that the parliamentary system was no longer suitable for Iraq, but had proven a failure, and it was time to replace it.

And the forces loyal to Iran are seeking to market a personality from among its ranks and promote it as a candidate for the presidency of Iraq, despite the prior refusal by the Iraqi street of any candidate presented by the ruling parties regardless of his qualifications and backgrounds.

And another article from October

 

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