Trump's Attempt at Middle East Peace Plan for Palestine and Israel

[Aaron Fox]

It doesn't have to be the bridges with the Western Left's politicians that matter

It's the whole image of being poor underdogs subjugated and oppressed by the Israelites who may in many's thoughts be mostly white and are probably way better off in-comparison economically speaking

Makes for good plots for entertainment trying to be relevant

You are blind then. The support in the 'left' in the US and elsewhere for the Palestinians have been in decline the last I've checked, especially since the Associated Press has been smuggling out the breadth of war crimes that the Palestinians have been committing, and if there is anything that currently riles up the 'left', it's war crimes.

The thing is, it will get the idiots desperate, and desperate people are unpredictable.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Is that the feeling of the post Napoleonic era when everyone just wanted the wars to stop?

 

[Aaron Fox]

Is that the feeling of the post Napoleonic era when everyone just wanted the wars to stop?

No, it was when the entire continent of Europe was flattened and all of Japan is practically a pancake that the desirability of wars got taken out of the shed and shot.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

You are blind then. The support in the 'left' in the US and elsewhere for the Palestinians have been in decline the last I've checked, especially since the Associated Press has been smuggling out the breadth of war crimes that the Palestinians have been committing, and if there is anything that currently riles up the 'left', it's war crimes.

Whoever is smuggling and approving the publication of that info is an islamophobic racist and probably not publishing stuff related to Israel being horrible towards Palestinians atm

 

[Isem]

The thing is, it will get the idiots desperate, and desperate people are unpredictable.

While it's true, there's only so much an unpredictable person can do when they struggle to find the money to fund anything more complicated then making a slingshot. And that's ignoring how their "glorious leaders' are likely skimming off the top for what money is still coming in.

 

[Arch Dornan]

While it's true, there's only so much an unpredictable person can do when they struggle to find the money to fund anything more complicated then making a slingshot. And that's ignoring how their "glorious leaders' are likely skimming off the top for what money is still coming in.

The most sad but hilarious reality of these ventures.

 

[Battlegrinder]

US to recognise annexation of occupied West Bank, Jordan Valley

Palestinians reject application of Israeli law on occupied WB areas, saying it will shut the door on two-state solution.

www.aljazeera.com

Must be part of the peace process. Naturally people hate it or support it.

This sounds less like a "peace plan" and more of a "the Palestinians will never agree to any kind of peace, so screw'em" plan.

Which.....I guess has a degree of logic behind it.

 

[Cherico]

This sounds less like a "peace plan" and more of a "the Palestinians will never agree to any kind of peace, so screw'em" plan.

Which.....I guess has a degree of logic behind it.

We have literally been giving them chances since the fucking 70s, its been close to 50 years so yes screw them for wasting our time.

 

[Marduk]

This sounds less like a "peace plan" and more of a "the Palestinians will never agree to any kind of peace, so screw'em" plan.

Which.....I guess has a degree of logic behind it.

Its certainly a different strategy than what was tried for decades and went nowhere so far.
We all know the definition of insanity, so might aswell try.
Its not a wrong idea either, try to push Palestinians into some sort of a lasting deal whether they like it or not...
Because the only deal they could possibly like is one where:
a) They could claim victory over da joos. And considering the kind of expectations "arab street" has, it would have to be a deal that is so unfavorable to Israel that it would be downright humiliating, and as such, politically unfeasible for Israel. Claiming victory is the only way they could solidly justify a deal within their narrative and stay in charge of the place on account of the glory of victory. Anything less would risk different, less compromising terrorist organizations or even less militant factions to rise up and take power from the current ones in charge.
b) It gives them more means to get victory of at least abovementioned kind in near future than they have in status quo. Also something Israel is rather unwilling to offer.

These points pit the interests of the two sides so directly against each other that a deal both sides can openly accept is just impossible - hence despite all the trying and more friendly political climate in the past, it didn't happen and won't happen as long as these remain true.

 

[Terthna]

This sounds less like a "peace plan" and more of a "the Palestinians will never agree to any kind of peace, so screw'em" plan.

Which.....I guess has a degree of logic behind it.

The Palestinians ultimately want a war of annihilation, and we have no choice but to let them have it. We've tried to get them to consider other options, but they've rejected all of them in favor of the delusion that they can somehow destroy the Jewish state. It's time to acknowledge the fact that we cannot save these people from themselves, and let Israel do what has to be done to end the conflict.

 

[Lanmandragon]

The Palestinians ultimately want a war of annihilation, and we have no choice but to let them have it. We've tried to get them to consider other options, but they've rejected all of them in favor of the delusion that they can somehow destroy the Jewish state. It's time to acknowledge the fact that we cannot save these people from themselves, and let Israel do what has to be done to end the conflict.

Yep some folks need killing it's a horrible reality but is reality. I truly wish it wasn't what needs to be done damn fanatics.

 

[Battlegrinder]

The Palestinians ultimately want a war of annihilation, and we have no choice but to let them have it. We've tried to get them to consider other options, but they've rejected all of them in favor of the delusion that they can somehow destroy the Jewish state. It's time to acknowledge the fact that we cannot save these people from themselves, and let Israel do what has to be done to end the conflict.

I feel like you're reading a lot more into that than what it said. There's certainly going to be a lot less give on the Israeli side and lot more "take the deal we offer you now or else" style negotiations, but a war of annihilation or "doing what has to be done" is off the table. Israel doesn't want that and likely couldn't afford the PR hit if they did.

 

[Terthna]

I feel like you're reading a lot more into that than what it said. There's certainly going to be a lot less give on the Israeli side and lot more "take the deal we offer you now or else" style negotiations, but a war of annihilation or "doing what has to be done" is off the table. Israel doesn't want that and likely couldn't afford the PR hit if they did.

What happens then when the Palestinians refuse to take the deal? Israel may not want to "do what has to be done", but the only other option they have is the status quo of letting the Palestinians conduct terrorist attacks against them every so often.

 

[Lanmandragon]

I feel like you're reading a lot more into that than what it said. There's certainly going to be a lot less give on the Israeli side and lot more "take the deal we offer you now or else" style negotiations, but a war of annihilation or "doing what has to be done" is off the table. Israel doesn't want that and likely couldn't afford the PR hit if they did.

Which is why the situation will continue idenfintley.

 

[Knowledgeispower]

No, it was when the entire continent of Europe was flattened and all of Japan is practically a pancake that the desirability of wars got taken out of the shed and shot.

That and the fact that any major war could easily escalate into a nuclear one

 

[Battlegrinder]

What happens then when the Palestinians refuse to take the deal? Israel may not want to "do what has to be done", but the only other option they have is the status quo of letting the Palestinians conduct terrorist attacks against them every so often.

There are choices between "nothing" and "genocide". For example, right now Isreal is extremely careful when retaliating against rocket or mortar strikes. They could easily decide not to do so, and just plaster any launch site with artillery the second they detect a launch. They can start actively crippling palestine infastructure. Not enough to make life impossible, but you don't need electricty to live, do you?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

There are choices between "nothing" and "genocide". For example, right now Isreal is extremely careful when retaliating against rocket or mortar strikes. They could easily decide not to do so, and just plaster any launch site with artillery the second they detect a launch. They can start actively crippling palestine infastructure. Not enough to make life impossible, but you don't need electricty to live, do you?

It's honestly sounds like a war of endurance that ironically relies on the sheer niceness and mercy of the other side

 

[Battlegrinder]

It's honestly sounds like a war of endurance that ironically relies on the sheer niceness and mercy of the other side

Pretty much. If this was happening anywhere else, there would have been some slight grumbling by the international community, a short, ugly bit of slaughter, and then it would be relegated to a few paragraphs in the history books and forgotten by the public at large.

 

[Aaron Fox]

While it's true, there's only so much an unpredictable person can do when they struggle to find the money to fund anything more complicated then making a slingshot. And that's ignoring how their "glorious leaders' are likely skimming off the top for what money is still coming in.

However, that would make them desperate given how charged it is. We're talking trying to make their own chemical agents or worse, a biological one. The former will simply get the Palestinians screwed over internationally, the latter will likely mark them for a Carthage Episode at best because even Britain during the hight of the Blitz simply went 'no' on their plan to use anthrax on Germany.

That and the fact that any major war could easily escalate into a nuclear one

That isn't as useful as it was in the grand scheme of things, especially as long as the nuclear taboo continues the power of those weapons will become -in the minds of the populous- more and more theoretical and you'll get a situation similar to WW1...

 

[Midnighter13]

What happens then when the Palestinians refuse to take the deal? Israel may not want to "do what has to be done", but the only other option they have is the status quo of letting the Palestinians conduct terrorist attacks against them every so often.

Not really. The Israelis have gotten really good at thwarting terror attacks. That's why the terror attacks of today are quite rare, and tend to use knives rather than bombs. Yes, having an entire family getting murdered down to the last man woman and child is awful, but at least buses and cafes are not being blown up on a daily basis. If Israel takes unilateral action, the PA can't do a whole lot without risking their own existence as a government. That's not something the PA wants to do. The PA is stuck in the unenviable position of having to be hard-line enough to suppress their own radicalized population, while also being compliant enough that Israel would rather deal with the PA than rule Area A&B directly. The PA has already gone as close to the line as they can do without risking their existence. So if the Israelis start annexing, there's not a whole lot the PA can do in response that they are willing to do. The Palestinian street on the other hand... well Hamas is ready and willing to rally the street to overthrow the PA and then fight Israel outside of Gaza.

However, that would make them desperate given how charged it is. We're talking trying to make their own chemical agents or worse, a biological one. The former will simply get the Palestinians screwed over internationally, the latter will likely mark them for a Carthage Episode at best because even Britain during the hight of the Blitz simply went 'no' on their plan to use anthrax on Germany.

Palestinians are not going to be deploying chemical let alone biological weapons. Even if they had the money, experts, and infrastructure to make them (they don't), they don't have means of deploying them, and Israel has responses to such weapons already ready. During the first Gulf War the Israelis were worried that some of Saddam's missiles that he was shooting at Israel would have chemical warheads. The Israelis just updated the gas masks that every Israeli is required to have at home. The Israelis also have a hospital system capable of dealing with biological attack. There is a reason Israel is doing so well during the COVID19 outbreak.