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Megadeath said:
And how do you justify/explain the many photos of them scaling walls, climbing through windows, forcing open doors, fighting cops and security etc?


Call me crazy, but none of that looks like calm or peaceful entry to me.
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I've never denied that some people took part in rioting. In fact my posting history has been me condemning them. It was foolish and caused the right FAR MORE HARM than anything else in recent history, because it handed the media their narrative on a silver platter. Fuck them. I hate them.

But they weren't there to kill senators, or overthrow the government. This was not a coup or an insurrection. There were by some estimates, millions of people there, on the lower end, hundreds of thousands, and a couple hundred rioted. Which is a shame and a disgrace...but by left wing standards, is a "mostly peaceful protest."
 
Rocinante said:
I've never denied that some people took part in rioting. In fact my posting history has been me condemning them. It was foolish and caused the right FAR MORE HARM than anything else in recent history, because it handed the media their narrative on a silver platter. Fuck them. I hate them.

But they weren't there to kill senators, or overthrow the government. This was not a coup or an insurrection. There were by some estimates, millions of people there, on the lower end, hundreds of thousands, and a couple hundred rioted. Which is a shame and a disgrace...but by left wing standards, is a "mostly peaceful protest."
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A hundred thousand is the largest estimate I've seen for the total numbers, and the vast majority just sat around outside. I don't think there's any serious suggestion of more than a couple thousand at most being involved in the breaching. I agree it wasn't an attempted coup, or even a proper insurrection, since the majority, probably even a huge majority didn't have any kind of plan at all. On the other hand, some groups within the mass absolutely did have more malicious intent, bringing guns and bombs, setting up gallows, actively searching for pence and others, carrying around restraints, etc. (Yeah, I know the restraints were cable ties and that they have many more innocuous explanations, but context matters. A dude wandering around a school brandishing a kitchen knife or scissors isn't just out for a walk with their favourite food preparation instrument.)

In a sense, they're much like antifa in that regard. Calling them a group or organisation is ridiculous, and most were just there to mostly peacefully protest. Other smaller groups exist inside the general mass though, with better organisation and planning and criminal intent.
 
Megadeath said:
A hundred thousand is the largest estimate I've seen for the total numbers, and the vast majority just sat around outside. I don't think there's any serious suggestion of more than a couple thousand at most being involved in the breaching. I agree it wasn't an attempted coup, or even a proper insurrection, since the majority, probably even a huge majority didn't have any kind of plan at all. On the other hand, some groups within the mass absolutely did have more malicious intent, bringing guns and bombs, setting up gallows, actively searching for pence and others, carrying around restraints, etc. (Yeah, I know the restraints were cable ties and that they have many more innocuous explanations, but context matters. A dude wandering around a school brandishing a kitchen knife or scissors isn't just out for a walk with their favourite food preparation instrument.)

In a sense, they're much like antifa in that regard. Calling them a group or organisation is ridiculous, and most were just there to mostly peacefully protest. Other smaller groups exist inside the general mass though, with better organisation and planning and criminal intent.
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we may not massively disagree with each other then. Perhaps only on a few smaller points.

I don't disagree that there were some bad actors in the crowd.

Some were antifa themselves, there to rile people up. Plenty were just angry right wingers. Also I don't give anyone a free pass just because provocateurs were in the crowd. They made their own choices.

But I do not agree with Largo's description of these events, or that they'd have killed a senator If they saw one.

And I don't agree with them being held without bail for 6 months, some without even having charges brought against them. This is a legal travesty and it's just wrong...because antifa/BLM rioters all summer were let free with charges dropped. A few right wingers step out of line? They're still in jail six months later. It's disgusting.

Also, I thoroughly reject the coup/insurrection narrative. Which we seem to agree on. My position is that this was a peaceful protest with a few assholes who got out of hand. That's actually an accurate description for (some of) the BLM demonstrations, too.
 
Rocinante said:
we may not massively disagree with each other then. Perhaps only on a few smaller points.

I don't disagree that there were some bad actors in the crowd.

Some were antifa themselves, there to rile people up. Plenty were just angry right wingers. Also I don't give anyone a free pass just because provocateurs were in the crowd. They made their own choices.

But I do not agree with Largo's description of these events, or that they'd have killed a senator If they saw one.

And I don't agree with them being held without bail for 6 months, some without even having charges brought against them. This is a legal travesty and it's just wrong...because antifa/BLM rioters all summer were let free with charges dropped. A few right wingers step out of line? They're still in jail six months later. It's disgusting.

Also, I thoroughly reject the coup/insurrection narrative. Which we seem to agree on. My position is that this was a peaceful protest with a few assholes who got out of hand. That's actually an accurate description for (some of) the BLM demonstrations, too.
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Yeah, sounds like we're mostly on the same page. I haven't seen much to convince me that Antifa or anyone else was there in any meaningful way to act as provacatuers, and I do believe that some of the people there quite possibly would have killed certain politicians if they'd bumped into them, I even think that some of the more militant loons may have hoped to do exactly that. I do agree that it's ridiculous to think of it as any kind of organised or planned situation though.

I'd want to know more about the specifics of someone being held 6 months without charge, because that sounds too insane on the face of it for me to not assume some misrepresentation or context, but if I do accept it at face value then I'd absolutely agree it's a travesty.
 
Largo said:
To put it bluntly, I think the argument about whether the Democrats did or didn't cheat at this point is just boring. Because let's suppose that you're right and antifa ninjas snuck into all the polling booths, stuffed the ballots, or whatever the fuck you think happened.

So what next? What's your plan? Because you tried the courts and that failed. Maybe they failed because the courts are all establishment shills, but that doesn't change the fact that they failed and you're certainly not more likely to succeed on that front going forward. So what's the new plan?

I mean, from my perspective, it's really obvious what the new plan should be. But you're not going to do it, and when you tried to do that on 1/6, it got shut down and now half of you are claiming those guys were actually antifa provocateurs or something. So until you do that? From my perspective it's all just a bunch of circlejerking, little different from the 30-year old at the bar grousing how he could have gone NFL if only he hadn't hurt his knee.
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Serious question - Are you a Fed? Because you seem to be giving off a bit of a glow.

LordsFire said:
Yet the rioters killed exactly nobody. There wasn''t even a case of 'people going into a spiral of increasing rage and beating the shit out of someone,' and that''s something that can very easily happen without anyone intending it in a mob.

If even a dozen people had gone there hoping for the opportunity to shed blood, blood would have been shed, and it would have been more than just poor Ashli Babbit getting shot.
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Yeah, if anything was going to spiral out of control, it would have been after Ashii Babbit got shot. Yet the police managed to successfully de-escalate the situation and got everyone to just leave. Some riot.

Oh, and as to @Largo's charge about not being allowed in places unsupervised - a lot of those people were under supervision and literally had police escorts. Remember Buffalo man? He had a cop not 6 feet from him at all times.
 
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So it looks like the Trump social network is off the ground, called GETTR.

It's getting hacked, spammed, and attacked at every level already.

www.businessinsider.com

A string of top accounts on the new pro-Trump app GETTR were hacked and defaced on its July 4 launch day, and the person claiming to be the hacker says the site still has several security bugs

Marjorie Taylor Greene, Mike Pompeo, and Newsmax all had their pages hacked, as did the app's founder Jason Miller.
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www.thewrap.com

New Pro-Trump App Gettr Gets Hacked on the Fourth of July - TheWrap

The Gettr accounts for Steve Bannon and Mike Pompeo, among others, were compromised
www.thewrap.com www.thewrap.com
www.theverge.com

Former Trump advisor’s Gettr platform appeared to be briefly hacked Sunday

It’s billed as an alternative to other social platforms
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www.newsweek.com

Trump-Friendly Gettr App Marred by Porn, Memes, Hacked Accounts Upon Launch

The new Twitter-style platform, launched Sunday, is touted as an anti-censorship platform for conservative voices.
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What's the sitch? said:
FALSE!! Fact check
Trump implied Al Capone could have potentially possessed a laptop.
Early stage Laptops were not invented until the 1980, Al Capone was dead by 1947!!

/sarcasm
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Ah, you see fact checker you fell into his trap! He said if he ever! Not could have!
 
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