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If Trump's people truly did not know who Fuentes was, and there was no sabotage involved outside of Milo being an ass, that just means Trump's in-house political intel/research people are so incompetent that they never warned Trump about Fuentes's influence on parts of the Right.
Which would be consistent with one of Trump's biggest flaw from his term in office; his inability to put together a competent staff, and one that isn't plotting to undermine him at every turn. It's even possible they did know who Fuentes was, but intentionally didn't tell Trump.
 

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Oh, I think Trump was surprised by the guests and didn't know who Fuentes was, I don't think he lied about that.

But I also think that no one gets close to Trump without the Secret Service clearing the situation, just like with all former POTUS's.

So that tells me someone at MAL/in the SS let Kanye's additional guests in to dine with Trump, knowing that the very act of dining with them could hurt Trump.

Too many leaks and shit coming out of MAL for me to believe there are not political saboteurs inside Trump's house at this moment.

If Trump's people truly did not know who Fuentes was, and there was no sabotage involved outside of Milo being an ass, that just means Trump's in-house political intel/research people are so incompetent that they never warned Trump about Fuentes's influence on parts of the Right.
If the Secret Service guys are doing their jobs right, they are concerned about whether a given guest is likely to harm Trump physically, not politically.

It wouldn't surprise me if there were people at MAL interested in derailing Trump's 2024 run, but I lean towards the explanation that they are just that bad at screening guests for political poison. Kanye and pals, Kanye's fine, SS is checking to make sure the pals aren't assassins, done.
 

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If the Secret Service guys are doing their jobs right, they are concerned about whether a given guest is likely to harm Trump physically, not politically.

It wouldn't surprise me if there were people at MAL interested in derailing Trump's 2024 run, but I lean towards the explanation that they are just that bad at screening guests for political poison. Kanye and pals, Kanye's fine, SS is checking to make sure the pals aren't assassins, done.
Most professional personal protection or bodyguards aren't just there to protect life and limb, but also other aspects of their clients life, including privacy and character and emotional well being and reputation blah blah blah... within reason of course.

Good bodyguards shouldn't allow their clients get shitfaced, fondle women in private or do illicit drugs or go streaking through the backyard, or hanging out with unsavory individuals whether drug dealers, abusive exes or known White Nationalists etc (or have such nonsense take place in the presence or property of their client). I'm not sure how the Secret Service works, but I'm assuming that they'd have a similar best practice in mind.

Either the Principal, Trump or his handlers in this case, overrode their concerns which actually seems likely to me or the Secret Service dropped the ball when it came to the whole vetting thing IMHO.
 

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Which would be consistent with one of Trump's biggest flaw from his term in office; his inability to put together a competent staff, and one that isn't plotting to undermine him at every turn. It's even possible they did know who Fuentes was, but intentionally didn't tell Trump.
I think that's a difficult thing in general that all leaders have struggled with throughout history. Someone competent is rarely loyal and someone loyal is rarely competent.
 

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I am literally starting to believe Trump is controlled opposition as of late with how unhinged his talk is getting and the dinner with Fuentes.

True the dinner it could have been a legit mistake, but the fact Trump had no idea who he was only makes him look incompetent, Trump should have a list of people who he shouldn't be associating with for the good of his image amongst the right memorized and individuals like Fuentes or Richard Spencer at the top of that list, the fact that he apparently can't is inexcusable.

Furthermore, his unhinged rhetoric regarding how he should have torched the constitution in response to his loss last election is inexcusable in my eyes, I don't care if Jesus Christ himself came down and declared Trump the most winningest candidate in U.S. history nothing excuses that as a response.
 

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Furthermore, his unhinged rhetoric regarding how he should have torched the constitution in response to his loss last election is inexcusable in my eyes, I don't care if Jesus Christ himself came down and declared Trump the most winningest candidate in U.S. history nothing excuses that as a response.
I saw mention of that and I went, what unhinged garbage, who would say that? Well apparently Trump would. Fuck that guy, I don't care if he pisses off a lot of people - he's garbage. Why the hell would I would I want anything to do with this for a candidate? This is where we are now? The GOP is fine with this? This whole country is going down the shitter because our leaders lack brains and principles but there has got to be a better candidate for 2024.
 

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I am literally starting to believe Trump is controlled opposition as of late with how unhinged his talk is getting and the dinner with Fuentes.

True the dinner it could have been a legit mistake, but the fact Trump had no idea who he was only makes him look incompetent, Trump should have a list of people who he shouldn't be associating with for the good of his image amongst the right memorized and individuals like Fuentes or Richard Spencer at the top of that list, the fact that he apparently can't is inexcusable.

Furthermore, his unhinged rhetoric regarding how he should have torched the constitution in response to his loss last election is inexcusable in my eyes, I don't care if Jesus Christ himself came down and declared Trump the most winningest candidate in U.S. history nothing excuses that as a response.
That’s not at all what he said!

Trump is not saying terminate the Constitution, rather, "a stolen election has already subverted it, and it must be corrected without consideration for following "the rules" because you can't beat a cheater playing by the rules."
 

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That’s not at all what he said!

Trump is not saying terminate the Constitution, rather, "a stolen election has already subverted it, and it must be corrected without consideration for following "the rules" because you can't beat a cheater playing by the rules."
Yeah, so that's pretty much exactly what he said, except you don't view it as wrong, while @Rusty Shackleford does.

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”

Whether or not you feel it's right or wrong, Trump is calling for axing the laws set forth by the constitution.
 

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Yeah, so that's pretty much exactly what he said, except you don't view it as wrong, while @Rusty Shackleford does.

"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”

Whether or not you feel it's right or wrong, Trump is calling for axing the laws set forth by the constitution.
So what, we should keep playing by the rules while uniparty traitors (who also aren’t following said rules) sell out and pervert the United States? Are we really going back to the ‘graceful losers’ battle plan? If the Founders followed that, we’d have still been a British colony.
 

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So what, we should keep playing by the rules while uniparty traitors (who also aren’t following said rules) sell out and pervert the United States? Are we really going back to the ‘graceful losers’ battle plan? If the Founders followed that, we’d have still been a British colony.
I didn't make a judgment about it. I just addressed your "that's not what he said at all," because that's exactly what he said.

That is terrible optics if you want moderates to vote for you, and if you have any desire at all to win an election, you have to win over some moderates.
 
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If he used the same language in relation to the massive amount of child exploitation, I would consider it a completely legitimate line in the sand to draw on the legitimacy of a government. This less so.
 

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If he used the same language in relation to the massive amount of child exploitation, I would consider it a completely legitimate line in the sand to draw on the legitimacy of a government. This less so.
So we continue to stand aside as the demonrats use the law as toilet-paper and laugh at us for being honest losers while they continue their take-over.

Mark my words, when the american Pinochet comes around with his Freikorps, it will be to the cheers of the people and the wailing and teeth-gnashing of the Left and their pet-rightwingers. Hell, I might even see people like you bitch and moan about how he ignores the constitution and doesn't even offer fair trials to the Left.
 

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So what, we should keep playing by the rules while uniparty traitors (who also aren’t following said rules) sell out and pervert the United States? Are we really going back to the ‘graceful losers’ battle plan? If the Founders followed that, we’d have still been a British colony.
Bullshit don't equate two different issues here. For starters if massive election fraud happened to the point the people felt the need to make a popular uprising without goading for a candidate to ensure what they saw as the clear winner ascended to the presidency that's a different scenario than what Trump was arguing.

What Trump was essentially arguing was...
"A Massive Fraud of this type and magnitude allows for the termination of all rules, regulations, and articles, even those found in the Constitution,”
This is blatantly false across multiple levels the constitution is sacred more so than any demagogue's word otherwise, a president sitting or no should never call for it, especially when he swore an oath to uphold it before God himself.

Please note, I am not arguing that election fraud did or did not happen, or that nothing should be done about it I am arguing that no president regardless of circumstance should ever even jokingly suggest torching the constitution and that the leeway the founders envisioned when they said.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.—That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed,—That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."
The founders believed that when a despotic government arose it was the will of the people to replace said government and the problem is you are falsely equating Trump's will with the people because you feel he has a popular mandate, however if Trump suspended the constitution and blatantly used the army to seize power then it has nothing to do with the 'will of the people' and everything to do with himself because while he may have been given the popular mandate to be president by the people he wasn't in regards to abolishing the constitution.

The constitution is the one thing in this country that I feel has never steered me wrong despite the Dems constant attempts to undermine it, Trump even suggesting it be suspended for his sake alone has lost me in a way I have never felt in politics before.
Mark my words, when the american Pinochet comes around with his Freikorps, it will be to the cheers of the people and the wailing and teeth-gnashing as the Left and their pet-rightwingers.
I would rather the liberals win completely subvert the constitution, run this country into the f*cking ground and then inevitably see the right seize back power in the inevitable revolution than live to see that.

No. Seriously UR you may hate the liberals to the point you want to see their blood in the streets, but I am not that person, the desire to defeat the left legit and in the long term are my goals and they are far more important.

Tell me? If Pinochet, Franco, Salazar were such great leaders than why is it that every single one of their countries have been faced with extremely long periods of Social Democratic rule and every single one of those countries' leaders a literal SD member as we speak?
 
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I would rather the liberals win completely subvert the constitution, run this country into the f*cking ground and then inevitably see the right seize back power in the inevitable revolution than live to see that.
That just seems like what UR suggests with extra steps; I cannot see the outcome of a power vacuum being nearly so rosy as "the right - which is presently compromised - seized power and graciously restored it to the people."

No. Seriously UR you may hate the liberals to the point you want to see the liberal's blood in the streets, but I am not that person, the desire to defeat the left legit and in the long term are my goals and they are far more important.
I do not advocate the wholesale slaughter of those whose political or social positions are personally repulsive either. However, I do not expect the same courtesy in turn. I have also become skeptical of achieving victory through legitimate means; every scandal or flagrant subversion of the law receives calls for justice, the people in power simply lie or obfuscate while smiling for a camera, and their opponents merely grumble "we'll get them next time they make a mistake."
 

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Bullshit don't equate two different issues here. For starters if massive election fraud happened to the point the people felt the need to make a popular uprising without goading for a candidate to ensure what they saw as the clear winner ascended to the presidency that's a different scenario than what Trump was arguing.

What Trump was essentially arguing was...

This is blatantly false across multiple levels the constitution is sacred more so than any demagogue's word otherwise, a president sitting or no should never call for it, especially when he swore an oath to uphold it before God himself.

Please note, I am not arguing that election fraud did or did not happen, or that nothing should be done about it I am arguing that no president regardless of circumstance should ever even jokingly suggest torching the constitution and that the leeway the founders envisioned when they said.

The founders believed that when a despotic government arose it was the will of the people to replace said government and the problem is you are falsely equating Trump's will with the people because you feel he has a popular mandate, however if Trump suspended the constitution and blatantly used the army to seize power then it has nothing to do with the 'will of the people' and everything to do with himself because while he may have been given the popular mandate to be president by the people he wasn't in regards to abolishing the constitution.

The constitution is the one thing in this country that I feel has never steered me wrong despite the Dems constant attempts to undermine it, Trump even suggesting it be suspended for his sake alone has lost me in a way I have never felt in politics before.

I would rather the liberals win completely subvert the constitution, run this country into the f*cking ground and then inevitably see the right seize back power in the inevitable revolution than live to see that.

No. Seriously UR you may hate the liberals to the point you want to see the liberal's blood in the streets, but I am not that person, the desire to defeat the left legit and in the long term are my goals and they are far more important.

Tell me? If Pinochet, Franco, Salazar were such great leaders than why is it that every single one of their countries have been faced with extremely long periods of Social Democratic rule and every single one of those countries' leaders a literal SD member as we speak?
This is even worse than his execute drug dealers line. This is possibly the worst thing Trump has said, and takes him off the table for me if he keeps this up.

This is worse than his line about executing drug dealers.

If he stick with this, it just validates all the left's fears, and I'll join them to vote whoever Trumps 2024 opponent is if he keeps up the rhetoric about axing the Constitution.

See, things are right and well fucked right now. There are tools in the Constitution to deal with these problems. When the time comes that we ax the Constitution, America is over. Period. Done. If Trump took office and threw out the Constitution, congrats, he pulled a Hitler and becomes a dictator. Absolutely not. I'd rather have president houseplant Biden than that.

And yes I think Biden stole 2020. That doesn't mean we just throw out the Constitution. That means we work to fix the problems and stop it from happening again. Trump stepping down and passing the throne to DeSantis is a good start there, but He'd rather go full dictator. Fuck that noise.

Trump cares more about his own power than he does America, and i'm fucking tired of it. I hope he gets obliterated in the primaries.
 
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I wouldn't go that far I just would flat out refuse to vote in the general election and before that vote for anybody else in the primary.
Yeah, I was a little heated. I'm still not going to vote for a Democrat.

I will do the same. Try to beat him in the primary and go vote for a libertarian in the general just to make the numbers show people are still voting, just not for him.
 

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That just seems like what UR suggests with extra steps; I cannot see the outcome of a power vacuum being nearly so rosy as "the right - which is presently compromised - seized power and graciously restored it to the people."


I do not advocate the wholesale slaughter of those whose political or social positions are personally repulsive either. However, I do not expect the same courtesy in turn. I have also become skeptical of achieving victory through legitimate means; every scandal or flagrant subversion of the law receives calls for justice, the people in power simply lie or obfuscate while smiling for a camera, and their opponents merely grumble "we'll get them next time they make a mistake."
The problem is that people think that freedom can come from the federal political system. It won't. Freedom will come from local political action, and disruptive social and economic changes. No law ended the MSM's monopoly on truth, it was the internet and decentralization. This goes similarly for everything else.
 

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The problem is that people think that freedom can come from the federal political system. It won't. Freedom will come from local political action, and disruptive social and economic changes. No law ended the MSM's monopoly on truth, it was the internet and decentralization. This goes similarly for everything else.
I understand why they do given the rules which establish the system have explicit solutions, but I also agree that it is nigh impossible since those holding the book don't care about what is written. I question the potency of local action - though certainly not its virtues - because I believe everything has become too decentralized and everyone too radicalized; though we agree on many points, diverging on a few seems enough to justify breaking away and forming a competing group. It challenges the status quo, but I am afraid it is extremely vulnerable. I don't think any of us want to be rolled over by another group that just happened to collect enough momentum, even if we share most of their viewpoints.
 

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This is even worse than his execute drug dealers line. This is possibly the worst thing Trump has said, and takes him off the table for me if he keeps this up.

This is worse than his line about executing drug dealers.

If he stick with this, it just validates all the left's fears, and I'll join them to vote whoever Trumps 2024 opponent is if he keeps up the rhetoric about axing the Constitution.

See, things are right and well fucked right now. There are tools in the Constitution to deal with these problems. When the time comes that we ax the Constitution, America is over. Period. Done. If Trump took office and threw out the Constitution, congrats, he pulled a Hitler and becomes a dictator. Absolutely not. I'd rather have president houseplant Biden than that.

And yes I think Biden stole 2020. That doesn't mean we just throw out the Constitution. That means we work to fix the problems and stop it from happening again. Trump stepping down and passing the throne to DeSantis is a good start there, but He'd rather go full dictator. Fuck that noise.

Trump cares more about his own power than he does America, and i'm fucking tired of it. I hope he gets obliterated in the primaries.
I hate to break it to everybody but Abraham Lincoln did way more than Trump suggested back during the US Civil War. And we are still here and not in Gulags. Just saying.
 
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