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[Abhorsen]

I understand why they do given the rules which establish the system have explicit solutions, but I also agree that it is nigh impossible since those holding the book don't care about what is written. I question the potency of local action - though certainly not its virtues - because I believe everything has become too decentralized and everyone too radicalized; though we agree on many points, diverging on a few seems enough to justify breaking away and forming a competing group. It challenges the status quo, but I am afraid it is extremely vulnerable. I don't think any of us want to be rolled over by another group that just happened to collect enough momentum, even if we share most of their viewpoints.

The highlight of decentralization is that you won't be rolled over by another group, as you can choose your group. With centralization, there is no choice, you are at the mercy of the 50% + 1. And they don't like you very much. Decentralize or lose seem to be your options.

I hate to break it to everybody but Abraham Lincoln did way more than Trump suggested back during the US Civil War. And we are still here and not in Gulags. Just saying.

Yeah, and given millions aren't in slavery and the lack of outright war, Trump is no where near the level of Lincoln's justification in suspending the constitution. It should also be noted that suspending the constitution was a bad thing as well even under Lincoln.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

I hate to break it to everybody but Abraham Lincoln did way more than Trump suggested back during the US Civil War. And we are still here and not in Gulags. Just saying.

A lot of the problems the US currently has originates from his expansion of the Federal government but the bulk of the expansion was done by FDR. Things got a lot more centralized under him and to be honest its good that he died when he did because he was quickly turning into a "president for life" type figure.

 

[ShieldWife]

I’m not scared of Trump becoming a dictator. That’s silly. We already got to see him in office, he’s really quite mild in terms of actions even if he talks big. Even if he did pose a threat to to Constitution, he would still be far better than the left who openly hold the Constitution in contempt and have the institutional power to actually take away rights.

My fear regarding Trump isn’t that he will become a dictator or strip away our rights, it’s that he will open his big mouth, look like a fool, and lose the election to someone who really will be a tyrant.

 

[Typhonis]

Trump Organization guilty of tax fraud, New York jury finds (msn.com)


So a jury found the Trump orginization guilty. How will the Dems try to use this against him? Or will the decision be appealed?

 

[Abhorsen]

I’m not scared of Trump becoming a dictator. That’s silly. We already got to see him in office, he’s really quite mild in terms of actions even if he talks big. Even if he did pose a threat to to Constitution, he would still be far better than the left who openly hold the Constitution in contempt and have the institutional power to actually take away rights.

My fear regarding Trump isn’t that he will become a dictator or strip away our rights, he’s that he will open his big mouth, look like a fool, and lose the election to someone who really will be a tyrant.

Trump has repeatedly shown he has authoritarian tendancies (take the guns first only one example), reined in by no one willing to indulge them. That's not to say he's unique in that, it's just he's bluntly honest about it, and we have excellent institutions that stop this from happening.

 

[Terthna]

I am literally starting to believe Trump is controlled opposition as of late with how unhinged his talk is getting and the dinner with Fuentes.

True the dinner it could have been a legit mistake, but the fact Trump had no idea who he was only makes him look incompetent, Trump should have a list of people who he shouldn't be associating with for the good of his image amongst the right memorized and individuals like Fuentes or Richard Spencer at the top of that list, the fact that he apparently can't is inexcusable.

Furthermore, his unhinged rhetoric regarding how he should have torched the constitution in response to his loss last election is inexcusable in my eyes, I don't care if Jesus Christ himself came down and declared Trump the most winningest candidate in U.S. history nothing excuses that as a response.

Trump has a history of making big sweeping statements that he doesn't actually mean, and/or never follows up on. I'm not worried about him torching the Constitution; it's probably just more bluster coming from the guy who seems to be a never-ending fount of the stuff.

Trump Organization guilty of tax fraud, New York jury finds (msn.com)


So a jury found the Trump orginization guilty. How will the Dems try to use this against him? Or will the decision be appealed?

Of course they did; they've been trying to find him guilty of something tax-related since he first took office, on the assumption that he was just as guilty as they are. The fact that it took them this long though belies that assumption, and makes him look far less unscrupulous than his peers.

 

[Megadeath]

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Of course they did; they've been trying to find him guilty of something tax-related since he first took office, on the assumption that he was just as guilty as they are. The fact that it took them this long though belies that assumption, and makes him look far less unscrupulous than his peers.

How long do you think the investigation and litigation of big business financial crimes usually takes?

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Trump has a history of making big sweeping statements that he doesn't actually mean, and/or never follows up on. I'm not worried about him torching the Constitution; it's probably just more bluster coming from the guy who seems to be a never-ending fount of the stuff.

The thing is we don't need a bumbling blowhard that constantly feels the need to put on a front we have that plenty with Biden. What we need is a strong leader that will swear fidelity to the interest of America and the constitution. I'm with @Rusty Shackleford right now trump is looking more like the town fool that the progressives/globalist can laugh at while distracting everyone else from their misdeeds.

In 2016 he seemed like Ronald Reagan in 2022 he seems more like Bush the Son. I can't help but think the constant barrage of attacks broke him. That or 2016 was a situation where the stars just aligned for him.

 

[Sailor.X]

Trump Organization guilty of tax fraud, New York jury finds (msn.com)


So a jury found the Trump orginization guilty. How will the Dems try to use this against him? Or will the decision be appealed?

A New York Grand Jury would find a Ham Sandwich guilty of a crime. They have a lousy track record of being just in decision making.

 

[ShieldWife]

A New York Grand Jury would find a Ham Sandwich guilty of a crime. They have a lousy track record of being just in decision making.

Yeah, of course they did. The entire thing is a corrupt attack on Trump. For all his flaws, there is one thing you can say about Trump, the evil people in this country really hate and fear him. They show us that every day.

 

[Abhorsen]

A New York Grand Jury would find a Ham Sandwich guilty of a crime. They have a lousy track record of being just in decision making.

Not a grand jury, an actual jury, tbc. This has actual consequences, maybe not to trump, but to the organization.

 

[bintananth]

A New York Grand Jury would find a Ham Sandwich guilty of a crime. They have a lousy track record of being just in decision making.

Petit Jury.

A Grand Jury determines if the prosecutor has enough evidence for there to even be a trial and returns indictments. They do not determine verdicts.

 

[Terthna]

How long do you think the investigation and litigation of big business financial crimes usually takes?

I don't even know when this particular attempt to pin tax fraud onto Trump in order to discredit him politically started; because there have been many, many attempts.

 

[LordsFire]

How long do you think the investigation and litigation of big business financial crimes usually takes?

See the problem here is that there's been so many obviously politically-motivated investigations, attacks, and other nonsense launched against Trump, that there's no particular reason to believe there's any validity to this.

Maybe his organization did commit tax fraud. Maybe it didn't. Either way, there's no way I'm going to trust that a jury from New York treated him fairly without strong evidence to support it.

 

[ShieldWife]

There are so many regulations, especially with regards to businesses and taxes, that it’s probably impossible to operate a business without violating the law. That is how our nation, and any with an excess of laws, is systemically corrupt. Everyone is a criminal, but the laws aren’t enforced. The laws are only enforced if the establishment wants to get someone and then they can truthfully say that they have found some violation.

 

[Megadeath]

I don't even know when this particular attempt to pin tax fraud onto Trump in order to discredit him politically started; because there have been many, many attempts.

So? That's entirely besides the point. You said they've been trying for so long, that taking this long is somehow a positive indication. But the investigation and litigation of major financial crimes is not something that happens over night. If you don't know how long comparable litigation takes, or even how long this particular case has been ongoing, you can hardly have the context or basis for your initial post.

See the problem here is that there's been so many obviously politically-motivated investigations, attacks, and other nonsense launched against Trump, that there's no particular reason to believe there's any validity to this.

Maybe his organization did commit tax fraud. Maybe it didn't. Either way, there's no way I'm going to trust that a jury from New York treated him fairly without strong evidence to support it.

I mean... The corporation was found guilty by jury. If you need evidence to support the idea that a trial was based on evidence, I'm pretty sure nothing will adequately overcome your bias, that you can't just justify or ignore.

There are so many regulations, especially with regards to businesses and taxes, that it’s probably impossible to operate a business without violating the law. That is how our nation, and any with an excess of laws, is systemically corrupt. Everyone is a criminal, but the laws aren’t enforced. The laws are only enforced if the establishment wants to get someone and then they can truthfully say that they have found some violation.

Yeah, but this wasn't some bizarre quirk of law, or unimaginable legal trap. The corporation routinely misrepresented the value of assets, rating them higher or lower as the situation called for, whilst taking intentional steps to obfuscate and hide their actions. It was obviously illegal action, certainly so for their armies of accountants and lawyers, and their own actions indicate knowledge of their illegality.

 

[LordsFire]

I mean... The corporation was found guilty by jury. If you need evidence to support the idea that a trial was based on evidence, I'm pretty sure nothing will adequately overcome your bias, that you can't just justify or ignore.

I note that you don't try to present such evidence, just presume that I'm too biased to believe it.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Trump has a history of making big sweeping statements that he doesn't actually mean, and/or never follows up on. I'm not worried about him torching the Constitution; it's probably just more bluster coming from the guy who seems to be a never-ending fount of the stuff.

I want to believe that, but I am sorry, every time I have given Trump a benefit of a doubt or defended him in the past, he has gone out of his way to make an ass of me.

I was on my last legs with him with January 6th for failing to stop the situation before it began, and I was bound and determined that I would vote for literally anyone be it Rand Paul or DeSantis against him, maybe before this I would have voted for him with extreme reluctance, but now?...

 

[Terthna]

I want to believe that, but I am sorry, every time I have given Trump a benefit of a doubt or defended him in the past, he has gone out of his way to make an ass of me.

I was on my last legs with him with January 6th for failing to stop the situation before it began, and I was bound and determined that I would vote for literally anyone be it Rand Paul or DeSantis against him, maybe before this I would have voted for him with extreme reluctance, but now?...

Oh I'm not trying to defend him; just pointing out that he's a blowhard who likes to make the "Big Ask", and can't really be trusted to mean what he says. I'm not planning on voting for him either, if I can avoid it.

 

[Sailor.X]

Just a question to those who currently don't like President Trump. Have you not noticed all of the People on the left and the right are currently against Trump and pushing other potential candidates? Why would you give them any benefit of the doubt when it is clear anyone they support they either have dirt on or are controlled opposition they have already subverted. The old saying goes... You can judge a man by his enemies. Well every corrupt Media and Political figures are attacking Trump. If you fall for their tactics then you have the memory of a Goldfish. Trump may not be a perfect man. But anyone the establishment suggests is someone who will only pay lip service to your issues. Just like they have done for the better part of 70 years.