United States Trump 2nd Term - Planning and Beyond

[Carrot of Truth]

You cant kill them any more dead than a fellow cartel gunman can.



And they can also easily be restarted up. Why? Because there is too much money to be had. The cartels are a hydra. This is a systemic issue in both the supply and the demand side, and cannot be dealt with by simply killing people and blowing shit up in mexico

The border has to be sealed, gangs in North America must be smashed hard, dealers and smugglers executed, NGOs that support then disbanded, bank accounts seized and the lawyers who represent them pressured. These are things we can do, on our end with police, lawyers, accountants and intelligence officers.

So what do you think we should do?

 

[AnimalNoodles]

So what do you think we should do?

My posted stated it quite clearly.

 

[Largo]

I think Mexico is a failed state with a barely functioning gov, and one step above Somalia or Haiti, and that Mexico's continued allowance of the cartel conflict is already an act of war against the US.

We wouldn't need to stop all ships from reaching Mexico, just the ones from the CCP, Russia, Iran, and their axis of evil friends like Maduro and Kim and whoever is running Cuba now.

On a per capita basis, Mexico's economy is average by global standards and roughly the equivalent of Brazil and China (and about 8 times that of Haiti). Are we going to start claiming that China is a failed state now?

And let me put it to you again: how do you know that you've won? You guys talk about "destroying the cartel", but what does that actually mean? Are we just trying to kill a cartel leader and call it a day? Are we trying to occupy some territory that they hold (lol at Mexico agreeing to that)? Or is this going to be just a glorified drug bust, where the military holds out some guns and drugs, declares victory, and goes home.

The utter lack of thinking about what we're actually proposing has some real Triumph of the Will shit.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Oh no. Trump pulled Fauci's security protection.

Trump cuts off security detail for Dr. Anthony Fauci

Dr. Anthony Fauci had his taxpayer-funded security detail pulled, President Trump confirmed during a press conference Friday.

nypost.com

He'll have to get his vaccines paid through insurance now.

 

[Cherico]

On a per capita basis, Mexico's economy is average by global standards and roughly the equivalent of Brazil and China (and about 8 times that of Haiti). Are we going to start claiming that China is a failed state now?

And let me put it to you again: how do you know that you've won? You guys talk about "destroying the cartel", but what does that actually mean? Are we just trying to kill a cartel leader and call it a day? Are we trying to occupy some territory that they hold (lol at Mexico agreeing to that)? Or is this going to be just a glorified drug bust, where the military holds out some guns and drugs, declares victory, and goes home.

The utter lack of thinking about what we're actually proposing has some real Triumph of the Will shit.

The victory condition is that the cartels are forcibly taught to be more subtle and less violent.

Like the Mafia was humbled into not using drive by and car bombings. You find the biggest most vicious psychos and you put them down, leaving behind only the people who understand the value of being subtle and not shitting where they eat.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

The victory condition is that the cartels are forcibly taught to be more subtle and less violent.

Which is already their MO with the US. They are not ignorant about how dangerous it is to provoke the DEA more than they can handle.

 

[Cherico]

Which is already their MO with the US. They are not ignorant about how dangerous it is to provoke the DEA more than they can handle.

no they have been acting wilding expecially in mexico which is a big trade partner, and we cant have a developed nation right next door have that nonsense.

Mafia groups that act circumspect and keep a low profile is one thing the cartels flying the flag and openly killing the cops? Another thing entirely.

 

[Bacle]

On a per capita basis, Mexico's economy is average by global standards and roughly the equivalent of Brazil and China (and about 8 times that of Haiti). Are we going to start claiming that China is a failed state now?

And let me put it to you again: how do you know that you've won? You guys talk about "destroying the cartel", but what does that actually mean? Are we just trying to kill a cartel leader and call it a day? Are we trying to occupy some territory that they hold (lol at Mexico agreeing to that)? Or is this going to be just a glorified drug bust, where the military holds out some guns and drugs, declares victory, and goes home.

The utter lack of thinking about what we're actually proposing has some real Triumph of the Will shit.

The victory condition is Mexico becomes able to deal with the remnants of the cartels themselves, with a non-corrupt/cartel infil'd gov, and stops the shit coming north of the border themselves, instead of making us do it.

Also, per capita GDP/economic numbers doesn't mean shit when the cartels act like local govs and most businesses in Mexico have to pay protection to one cartel or another.

 

[Zachowon]

What are the cartels going to do when we completely destroy thier source of income?

 

[Bacle]

What are the cartels going to do when we completely destroy thier source of income?

They will try to lean on their foreign backers for more aid, is my expectation.

Dealing with the cartel's connections to our foreign adversaries is one of the reasons we need to use the US military for this issue.

And to that end:


Edit: Also hearing rumors the 82nd Airborne and 10th Mountain are being sent to the border.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

Basically, win condition is that the Carels are broken and the Mexican government doesn't have to deal with the cartel's crap anymore with all the explicit and open violence either, thus regaining complete control of their country.

Force any new cartels to start doing subtle like the Mafia in the US, else the big daddy government will come in and throw them and all their non-subtle business associates into prison.

Other theoretical win condition is we break up Mexico into a bunch of different more easily manageable countries, but that probably doesn't sound appealing or feasible because of the international backlash of destroying a country completely and utterly and we would have to wage a conventional country to country war to do that.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Basically, win condition is that the Carels are broken and the Mexican government doesn't have to deal with the cartel's crap anymore with all the explicit and open violence either, thus regaining complete control of their country.

Force any new cartels to start doing subtle like the Mafia in the US, else the big daddy government will come in and throw them and all their non-subtle business associates into prison.

Other theoretical win condition is we break up Mexico into a bunch of different more easily manageable countries, but that probably doesn't sound appealing or feasible because of the international backlash of destroying a country completely and utterly and we would have to wage a conventional country to country war to do that.

What would the backlash even be? China has death camps but no one gives a fuck because they'd rather get Chinese money. Hell even most of Europe still wants Russian gas. Said backlash would probably amount to a strong worded letter and nothing more.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

no they have been acting wilding expecially in mexico which is a big trade partner,

Last I remembered, the DEA isn't a Mexican agency.

 

[Typhonis]

Something else Trump can do to all of those Joe pardoned.

Revoke their security clearances.

 

[TheRejectionist]

That won't go anywhere. But then again nobody believed Trump will declassify the JFK, RFK, MLK FILES. So, that hypothetically, that would allow Trump to be President a third time? I know that in Brazil you can serve more times non-consecutively. Speaking of which :

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Thanks to Musk and maybe Trump, the impeachment for globalist Lula in Brazil is trending.

I think it is a bit too obvious that now with Trump in D.C. we might see a shake up in Mexico and Brazil.

Basically, win condition is that the Carels are broken and the Mexican government doesn't have to deal with the cartel's crap anymore with all the explicit and open violence either, thus regaining complete control of their country.

That's a very good win condition. If the armed forces of the US go as far as Buyekele DID in El Salvador, and FIX the CIA mess,well, you will likely get a grateful Latin America, even if it will stay wary.

 

[Crow gotta eat]

What would the backlash even be? China has death camps but no one gives a fuck because they'd rather get Chinese money. Hell even most of Europe still wants Russian gas. Said backlash would probably amount to a strong worded letter and nothing more.

Well, besides international backlash probably including some trade tarrifs, be they major or minor, I don't think the average Joe would like completely balkanizing Mexico.

So it might hurt the Republican party, especially with the Hispanic vote, meaning Democrats might completely and utterly screw up everything during the next administration if they win the next election.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

Well, besides international backlash probably including some trade tarrifs, be they major or minor, I don't think the average Joe would like completely balkanizing Mexico.

So it might hurt the Republican party, especially with the Hispanic vote, meaning Democrats might completely and utterly screw up everything during the next administration if they win the next election.

Well regardless I think that plan wouldn't likely work anyways. Really designating Cartels terrorist organizations can be highly effective because now it means special forces can just either kill or black bag the leadership and destroy all of their infrastructure. If we can get the Mexican government onboard to do something like El Salvador then we could crush the cartels.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

If we can get the Mexican government onboard to do something like El Salvador then we could crush the cartels.

And that is why I emphasized that it's better to wait for conditions to change. The current ruling party are leftists.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

And that is why I emphasized that it's better to wait for conditions to change. The current ruling party are leftists.

Mexico will do whatever the US government tells it to do.

 

[Bacle]