Versus Match Triple Alien Alliance in 40k

[Vyor]

I'll just entertain you with this one example since you don't know anything about 40k if you don't know about Eldar vs Tyranid fights

So much for your claim Eldar never fought Tyranids or lost to them.

That... isn't on a craftworld. That's across an entire sector and covers several dozen light years. A craftworld can't be everywhere at once.

 

[Scooby Doo]

If it's so common then post it.

Nah if you're so aware about the Eldar debunk it.

Ok... and this matters for combat how?

The Alien fighters being faster than Eldar fighters, try to keep up

This ain't primary canon.

According to who?
There's no canon policy for the Independence Day series.
Cope, seethe, mald.

No, they rely on dodging and using illusions+holograms to force opponents to miss them. And then killing them in one shot.

No they rely on outpacing

Nightwing pilots is to descend upon an opponent without warning, destroying them, and then using their supernatural speed and agility to shake off any pursuit.

Nightwings have been recorded at speeds of 3,600kph by Imperial forces with wings fully swept back, and though only capable of 2,300kph when fully extended, this allows the craft to perform high speed, high-g turns and easily outmaneuver the enemy in a dogfight. Nightwing pilots will master this ability to switch between the two settings, suddenly breaking to throw off a pursuit and gain an edge during dogfighting.

Those tricks won't work on faster craft which are better defended.

Wut? Where did you even get these numbers?

Eldar Skyhost is said to only have four fighters

Most Imperium strike cruisers carry ten and less fighters.

Basic inference that Eldars carry less fighters than their Imperium counter parts.

I have quite literally not seen a single coherent argument from you. Every time someone calls you out on one thing you gish gallop over to another.

You literally ran away crying from the Triple Human Alliance thread, so far your only arguments have been nuh uh not true!

And you haven't posted any real feats through all these pages

 

[Scooby Doo]

That... isn't on a craftworld. That's across an entire sector and covers several dozen light years. A craftworld can't be everywhere at once.

Another example of Eldars getting bent by Tyranids.


What's your excuse this time?

They couldn't even Guard their craftworld most valuable area from a single bioship worth of Tyranids.

 

[Vyor]

They couldn't even Guard their craftworld most valuable area from a single bioship worth of Tyranids.

you don't know how big tyranid bioships are, do you? You also don't seem to understand the concept of... sudden superweapon.

Like, I'm pretty sure that there isn't a single faction in fiction that could deal with a sudden soul eater sneaking on board their ships.

 

[Scooby Doo]

you don't know how big tyranid bioships are, do you? You also don't seem to understand the concept of... sudden superweapon.

Yeah they're not that big compared to a Craftworld

A leviathan is roughly around 8 KM

Like, I'm pretty sure that there isn't a single faction in fiction that could deal with a sudden soul eater sneaking on board their ships.

Uh it was just a regular psychic Tyranid, the like that Spacemarines regularly kill.

The only difference is the Eldar were so incompetent and weak they didn't defend one of the most sacred areas in the craft world which turbo charged the Tyranid.

 

[Zachowon]

The diffrence between the Arachnids and the Tyranids is that the Arachnids are mindless even with Brain bust and queens.
The tyranids arnt.
And the Eldar revolve around thier souls so eating them kinds makes them fighting useless.

Also, that war zone? It is a war zone. They arnt losing. It is a grueling war between the Eldar and that of the Tyranids.

Should I mention that the humans from starship troopers do just fine against the bugs and they move slower, have weaker weapons, and have unshielded slow moving ships.

 

[Scooby Doo]

The diffrence between the Arachnids and the Tyranids is that the Arachnids are mindless even with Brain bust and queens.

Source?

The tyranids arnt.

The fuck are you talking about? They literally go feral if they don't have Synapse Creatures.

Don't try to bullshit with made up 40k stuff I literally have the Tyranids codex physical copy at hand

And the Eldar revolve around thier souls so eating them kinds makes them fighting useless.

Except you know they left the circuit undefended which is the only reason that was possible.

Also, that war zone? It is a war zone. They arnt losing. It is a grueling war between the Eldar and that of the Tyranids.

It literally says their Maiden Planet was consumed, they most definitely lost that battle and it was definitely a loss when it's saying "such a loss was a terrible tragedy"

Should I mention that the humans from starship troopers do just fine against the bugs and they move slower, have weaker weapons,

They do fine against them sometimes, it's 50/50.

Slower is subjective, the Mobile Infantry uses jump packs so they don't physically run as fast (Altho they can briefly outpace an Arachnid running at 35 mph)

but weaker weapons?
Show me Eldar Infantry doing this

and have unshielded slow moving ships.

So?
The ship warfare has nothing to do with the Arachnids, their role is the ground combat.

The ship warfare goes to the Locusts who can most definitely clap the cheeks of anything short of a Crusade level force.

I wouldn't die on the hill of Eldars who have less than a hundred planets being able to stomp this alliance.


It literally takes them centuries to reproduce

 

[Zachowon]

Source?




The fuck are you talking about? They literally go feral if they don't have Synapse Creatures.

Don't try to bullshit with made up 40k stuff I literally have the Tyranids codex physical copy at hand


Except you know they left the circuit undefended which is the only reason that was possible.



It literally says their Maiden Planet was consumed, they most definitely lost that battle and it was definitely a loss when it's saying "such a loss was a terrible tragedy"



They do fine against them sometimes, it's 50/50.

Slower is subjective, the Mobile Infantry uses jump packs so they don't physically run as fast (Altho they can briefly outpace an Arachnid running at 35 mph)

but weaker weapons?
Show me Eldar Infantry doing this

So?
The ship warfare has nothing to do with the Arachnids, their role is the ground combat.

The ship warfare goes to the Locusts who can most definitely clap the cheeks of anything short of a Crusade level force.

I wouldn't die on the hill of Eldars who have less than a hundred planets being able to stomp this alliance.


It literally takes them centuries to reproduce

They wouldn't need too.
The Eldar would just have a shuriken Cannon set up and mowing down all of those Arachnids.
Let's jot even get started on avatar of Khaines which would do that, or more.

 

[Scooby Doo]

They wouldn't need too.
The Eldar would just have a shuriken Cannon set up and mowing down all of those Arachnids.

Then they run out of ammo, get zerged and die.

Let's jot even get started on avatar of Khaines which would do that, or more.

Then Harvester cracks the planet in half by ramming it, billions of Eldars die and they hang the idiot that forced them to fight a swarm alliance instead of fighting smart.

 

[Vyor]

Except you know they left the circuit undefended which is the only reason that was possible.

They didn't, it's called "infiltration". There were guards, they just got their souls eaten.

It literally says their Maiden Planet was consumed, they most definitely lost that battle and it was definitely a loss when it's saying "such a loss was a terrible tragedy"

You say you have 40k codex's and then fuck up on the most basic of facts. They don't normally live on maiden worlds, they want to use them to restart the eldar race and empire after Slannesh is dead. So the loss of said maiden worlds is a tragedy, yes, but it doesn't mean many eldar actually died during it. It's like saying that the loss of, I don't know, a priceless artifact is a great battle that humanity had its ass kicked over.... when no humans were actually around when it was destroyed.

Then Harvester cracks the planet in half by ramming it, billions of Eldars die and they hang the idiot that forced them to fight a swarm alliance instead of fighting smart.

I... you are literally just making things up at this point.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean. The harvester would be borded by the webway and everyone inside killed.

Orrrrrrrr, the Necrons get awoken by a passing ship and they eliminate them all casually because nothing these guys have pose a threat to them

 

[Scooby Doo]

They didn't, it's called "infiltration". There were guards, they just got their souls eaten.

No where does it say it infiltrated, they just launched an attack and the Eldar ignored the psychic alien because they're dumb.

So much for precog

You say you have 40k codex's and then fuck up on the most basic of facts. They don't normally live on maiden worlds, they want to use them to restart the eldar race and empire after Slannesh is dead. So the loss of said maiden worlds is a tragedy, yes, but it doesn't mean many eldar actually died during it. It's like saying that the loss of, I don't know, a priceless artifact is a great battle that humanity had its ass kicked over.... when no humans were actually around when it was destroyed.

Sooooo the Craftworld defending those planets then failing and having to team up with other Craftworlds to protect the rest doesn't mean any Eldar died at all.


Suuuuuuuuure I'm the one who fucked up with the lore, says the person that Eldar ships don't rely on propulsion to dog fight

I... you are literally just making things up at this point.

Nope.

Before you cry about muh canon, this is quotes in the film too.

So what next more crying about how it's not true?

 

[Scooby Doo]

I mean. The harvester would be borded by the webway and everyone inside killed.

Orrrrrrrr, the Necrons get awoken by a passing ship and they eliminate them all casually because nothing these guys have pose a threat to them

Heliostorm- I found an image (poor quality, unfortunately, but it's the best I could do) of the Harvester scraping off the top of the moon, and made a calc off of it:

The area above the red line is where the Moon has been sheared off. If we extended the image (which I did, but won't post here cause it's a big image) the radius of the Moon would be 644 px, and the height of the sheared area would be 30 px. Using this calculator, the area impacted is 7807 px/1302931 px, or 0.6% of the Moon. Using our known speed for the Harvester at this point (projected to go from the Moon to the Earth in 22 minutes, as per movie dialogue), that gives us a KE impact value of (291,266 m/s)^2 * .5 * 4.4×10^20 kg = 1.86×10^31 J, or 4.4 zettatons

 

[Scooby Doo]

Behold, Necrons casually eliminating Continental sized threats. Look at that accuracy missing people running towards them in a straight line, surely a cunning strategy of the invincible and almighty Necrons that casually kill everyone instantly when they wake up.


Surely these alien forces are unable to do a thing or even inconvenience any faction in 40k, 40k is just so strong everyone and thing is a continent buster

 

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[Vyor]

Behold, Necrons casually eliminating Continental sized threats. Look at that accuracy missing people running towards them in a straight line, surely a cunning strategy of the invincible and almighty Necrons that casually kill everyone instantly when they wake up.


Surely these alien forces are unable to do a thing or even inconvenience any faction in 40k, 40k is just so strong everyone and thing is a continent buster

Æonic Orb

The Æonic Orb is the rarest and perhaps the most powerful of the weapons devised by the extraordinary technology of the Necrons, intended to destroy the largest and most potent enemy units, such as Titans, with the nuclear fire of a star. First created during the War in Heaven against the Old...

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[Scooby Doo]

Æonic Orb

The Æonic Orb is the rarest and perhaps the most powerful of the weapons devised by the extraordinary technology of the Necrons, intended to destroy the largest and most potent enemy units, such as Titans, with the nuclear fire of a star. First created during the War in Heaven against the Old...

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Fragment of a star, only feat is anti Titan weapon.

So megatons estimated yield, not impressed unless you have official numbers.

 

[Vyor]

Fragment of a star, only feat is anti Titan weapon.

So megatons estimated yield, not impressed unless you have official numbers.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Please go ahead and list the yield of the weapon you mentioned

 

[Vyor]

Please go ahead and list the yield of the weapon you mentioned

Well for that we'd have to do some math using data we don't have; but we can make some assumptions. There being most of a star is a given, but the size of the star is going to be in question.

The most common mass of a star is .29 stellar masses, so 29% the size of Sol, this would be an M type star. Sol puts out 4.5x1026 W, or 450,000,000,000,000 Terawatts. Over the course of an hour, it thus puts out... 387,189,292.54302 Teratons Of TNT

Now obviously the attack doesn't last for an hour, so we can divide that by 60 twice to get how much it puts out in a second bringing us to 107,552.58126195 Teratons of TNT per second. Now we take 25% of that, as energy output is directly related to temperature and that's directly related to mass and surface area and that means at 1/3 the mass you get about 1/4th the output(give or take, the actual math is a lot more complicated but I don't want to do that right now) and we end up with a total yield of the laser being 26,888.1453154875 Teratons of TNT per second of firing.

So instead of... megatons, you have about 27,000 teratons of tnt.

Now keep in mind, it takes 50,000 Teratons Of TNT to completely blow up a plant. Meaning that after firing this thing for two seconds enough energy is put out to blow up Earth. Even if they can only output 1% of this thing over 1ms you still get 2.7 Teratons of output.

This is such a god damn insane weapon that it would obliterate more or less any capital ship of any faction in 40k, and a shitload of them outside of 40k too.

And that's with a small star, the smallest type of star possible. If the stars used were the size of Sol or bigger the energy output increases dramatically!

This thing is only outclassed by the fucking Death Star in terms of raw destructive output in popular media and it's fucking battlefield capable, you can use it while on the surface of the planet. Well, they can anyway, they don't really worry too much about the thermal bloom or radiation emitted by firing it.