Versus Match Triple Alien Alliance in 40k

[Scooby Doo]

One single weapon destroys any Kaiju. Warp bomb = Dead Kaiju. They have no defense against it, and since they have no understanding of the Warp...no way to develop a defense.

Warp Bombs are not exactly common as grass.
It takes only Hours for a new specialized Kaiju to be grown in the Anteverse according to WOG.

They can easily spam a couple low grade Cat I-II Kaiju then plomp up the advanced ones once a couple warp bombs are wasted.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

@Scooby Doo
And those Cat 1-2 will be quite handily dealt with by regular 40K firepower. Despite what you think, it's vastly more powerful than modern day weaponry.

 

[Husky_Khan]

But the Kaiju will be attacking in conjunction with the Arachnids and Locusts!

 

[Scooby Doo]

@Scooby Doo
And those Cat 1-2 will be quite handily dealt with by regular 40K firepower. Despite what you think, it's vastly more powerful than modern day weaponry.

Tresspasser is literally a Cat II-III Kaiju that withstood three nukes and they're not even considered the top tiers.

Category V and above Kaiju are the real soldier Kaiju waves.


Here is a Category III withstanding a blow to the head from a multi thousand tonner Jaegar and the Concussive Missiles which pushed it back

Which would be around the levels that took out the Kaiju that busted through the Sydney wall

So it's definitely gonna Walts through Imperium firepower unless you get to the rare as diamonds exotics.

 

[Agent23]

Their biotechnology is better than Tyranid biotechnology though so it's not a mark against them.

Yeah, and a bit of global cooling and/or an asteroid stopped them.
Contrast that with the Nids that can devour planets to the point that they are nothing but a rocky husk.

Kaiju Biotechnology is just as adaptable but with the benefit of them requiring little food for their size in addition to letting them create child sized Kaiju that can switch back and forth between like 1 meter and 20 meters tall but still contain a good Fraction of their giant strength while small.

And they died from stuff like F-22s and other conventional forced.

Plus they can more than easily colonize any of the countless planets in the 40k verse such as the helpless agri world's

And get hit by a life eater bombardment or multi-gigston/terston plasma lance strikes.

Erm no they've been injured but the first Kaiju Trespasser was killed by nukes, six days of combined bombardment from the UK Airforce and American Airforce wasn't enough to kill it, even the OG movie states it took three missiles to down which is later confirmed to be nukes.

Yeah, I don't recall Pac Rim mentioning anything about Nukes.

The amount of ordinance it can withstand while would let it take on an Imperium army solo, Imperium weapons aren't magnitudes better so it's going to take hours of bombardment for one Kaiju and by that time the Kaiju can lay waste to them.

I'd take a baneblade or a titan over it any day.

Lifeeater worlds can still be terraformed so you're just wiping out the planet for no reason while the rift remains stable, and there's no way they'll figure out about needing to coat the bomb with Kaiju DNA with out brain melding with a Kaiju brain so essentially the breach is going to remain unsealable.

Or something is just entering the portal or exiting it when it gets infected.

Also, the Imperium has psykers and other and the space Marines can learn by eating.
And there are the Aeldari and the various Chaos forces, and finally the Necrons who can literally bend space and time to their will.

The Imperium's equivalent to an AK is, after all, a frigging energy weapon thet can be recharged by throwing it into the fire and that can strike with the power of a 12mm anti-material rifle.

By actual feats the Precursors stomp the Tyranids in Biotech feats, the only difference is the Tyranids created psychics and FTL but that won't help them in an actual fight.

The Nids are stronger and much more numerous.

Feats like fusing technology to make robo Kaiju, creating humanoid shapeshifters that can turn into giant Kaiju, mass producing nuke resistant Kaiju, creating Kaiju that can each individually terraform an entire planet, ect.

They have one planet, and it is dying.

If anything the Tyranids are the ones that are going to have their DNA reverse engineered

Yeah, sure.
I mean, I enjoyed live action super robot vs. Kaiju as much as any Weeb but this here is Darkstsar or Darth Wang level fsnboying right there.

They do have FTL they're inter galactic and could literally solo the Tyranids.

Yeah, sure.

The Tyranids take months sometimes even years to travel from one edge of a star system to the home planet full of people.

There are worse things than the Nids.
Far worse.
Like the Necrons or Chaos.

The Harvester can travel from Saturn to the Moon in less than an hour and shoot down orbital platforms on Earth from the Moons distance.

Somebody post an image of Failbadon's planet killer and the Blackstone Fortresses doing their thing, pls.

A single Harvester could solo an entire Hive Fleet with its far superior range and mobility, by the time a Hive Fleet gets in range it'd have easily lost a quarter or more of its fleets.

Ad I said, far worse things than the Nids out there.

Its beams can one shot 50KM spheres .

Made of what?

If it takes the Tyranids a Month to travel from a distance of Saturn to Earth that puts their sublight speed at 244,000 miles an hour.

Meaning that Harvester can fire its guns for a whole hour straight before the Tyranids get with in range.


Assuming one blast per second and it has 9 cannons.

That's 27,000 total shots, over the course of an hour volley by the time the Tyranid fleet gets with in fighting distance.

That's enough to wipe out a quarter to half a Tyranid fleet and going under the assumption the Harvester doesn't backtrack and kite.


If there's Four Harvesters in one locust fleet they can solo any existing Hive fleets and their reinforcements.

Yeah, the Nids are the least capable species in 40k where space warfare is concerned.

There are other, worse things, like the Necrons all getting woken up from their nap.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

@Scooby Doo
And those Cat 1-2 will be quite handily dealt with by regular 40K firepower. Despite what you think, it's vastly more powerful than modern day weaponry.

For example? Because I'd would really be hard pressed to assume 40K regular ground firepower is on par with modern day weaponry. Whether we're talking about the lasgun which can be effectively shielded by sandbags and has a semi-auto rate of fire for the "standard" model to a discarding sabot shell being the pinnacle of armor penetration to artillery which Imperial Armor basically just ripped their states off of real world weapons.

There's also the issue of accuracy and able to concentrate and direct it's fire which with it's top down, regimental command structure is way behind modern day in terms of doctrine and capability.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Yeah, and a bit of global cooling and/or an asteroid stopped them.

That didn't stop them it only delayed them irc

Contrast that with the Nids that can devour planets to the point that they are nothing but a rocky husk.

Yeah so? The Precursors can terraform the planet with one Kaiju, Tyranids need an entire fleet to do anything on a planetary scale.

And they died from stuff like F-22s and other conventional forced.

Nope, it took three nukes. And all subsequent Kaiju were killed with nukes

And get hit by a life eater bombardment or multi-gigston/terston plasma lance strikes.

Assuming that every Imperium navy can get past the Locust fleet.

Yeah, I don't recall Pac Rim mentioning anything about Nukes.

It's mentioned several times

I'd take a baneblade or a titan over it any day.

Uhh excuse you, are we literally ignoring this???

A Blaneblade couldn't survive half the crap a Jaegar can.

Or something is just entering the portal or exiting it when it gets infected.

The portal is only used for exits, Kaiju don't enter back and they have a Hive Mind so even if for some reason there was a vicious disease they would just send the message telepathically back and create a inoculation for the next wave.

Ez

Also, the Imperium has psykers and other and the space Marines can learn by eating.

Pyskers end up getting possessed by the Hive mind like literally everyone whose tried to do it.

And Spacemarines wouldn't get any information from the Kaiju since their clones and would only know they exit through a portal.

But a Kaiju could easily kill a million Marines so...

And there are the Aeldari and the various Chaos forces, and finally the Necrons who can literally bend space and time to their will.

Hmm not impressed lol.

The Kaiju pretty much mean anything other Titan Grade fire power is fodder. And Titan Grade fire power is uncommon in the 40k verse and even rare to use in vast numbers

The Imperium's equivalent to an AK is, after all, a frigging energy weapon thet can be recharged by throwing it into the fire and that can strike with the power of a 12mm anti-material rifle.

Yeah...Quad Barrel guns that fire shells nearly the length of a car are nothing but a nuisance to Pacific Rim Kaiju, 12mm rifles wouldn't break the skin.

Leman Russ's wouldn't break the skin either

The Nids are stronger and much more numerous.

Nids are most certainly not stronger than a Kaiju lmao, numerous yeah but the Precursors get equal industry to the Imperium so that's millions of Anteverse factories mass producing 5,000-8,000 ton Kaiju every day.

They have one planet, and it is dying.

One planet that's been dying over the course of fifty years, they have plenty of time lmao.

Yeah, sure.
I mean, I enjoyed live action super robot vs. Kaiju as much as any Weeb but this here is Darkstsar or Darth Wang level fsnboying right there.

Yeah...the most advanced Tyranid they can make is Swarmlord whose lost several times to Sub-Titan lvl opponents.

Not really impressive compared to what the Precursors can do with bio tech.

Yeah, sure.

There are worse things than the Nids.
Far worse.

Barely worse, Nids can and have bent Chaos over the table and forced Necrons to team up with Spacemarines.

Like the Necrons or Chaos.

Necrons in their prime maybe but in 40k verse Chaos Fleets can solo entire worlds.

Like wise Chaos is a tiny fraction of the Imperium so their ships get blasted easier than the Nids.

Somebody post an image of Failbadon's planet killer and the Blackstone Fortresses doing their thing, pls.

Cool.

Every Harvester ship can do this, there's just as many Harvester ships as Imperium ships.

They're definitely going to be Top Dog navy when you have to use the rarest one of a kind ships to compete with a sub fleet of the Locust

Ad I said, far worse things than the Nids out there.

There really isn't, the Orkz and Tyranids constitute the main threats of the galaxy with how common they are.

Made of what?

It could be made out of toilet paper and it'd still be a several hundred gigaton to teraton shot.

Yeah, the Nids are the least capable species in 40k where space warfare is concerned.

But apparently are enough to threaten the entire Galaxy which is bad news against this alliance.

There are other, worse things, like the Necrons all getting woken up from their nap.

Necrons can also get their cheeks clapped by Mechanicus forces and Chaos Marines.

Highly highly overrated, a combination of Arachnids and Kaiju EMP's would be more than enough to overwhelm anything short of the strongest and largest Necron compositions to exist in current 40k.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

Cracked open the Imperial Guard codex to look up Deathstrike missiles which would likely be the best non-Titan weapon the Guard could use to destroy Kaiju or hope to scratch the Locust City-Destroyers.

A Deathstrike preparing to fire quickly becomes a priority target for the enemy...As a slow moving asset with only moderate firepower outside of its primary munition, the Deathstrike often requires its own dedicated escort so as not to present the foe with a valuable and relatively soft target.

While it is described as an intercontinental missile with a "long-range", the above seems to imply it is at risk of being spotted and destroyed by opposing forces which considering how static and tactically focused most 40k combat is strongly suggests the Deathstrike is deployed at far shorter ranges closer to the front. Towards the end of the page we are even told of a Regimental commander, fighting across "only" several dozen miles, who utilized the one Deathstrike at his command to destroy converging armies of Orks and stave off defeat making it sound like it was something attached to his regiment.

This is not to say that Deathstrike missile launchers have not seen use...the Warhead can be armed with a variety of horrifying payloads, each Deathstrike missile tailored to wreck maximum destruction on its intended target. With a single successful launch, a Deathstrike armed with a godspear warhead can bring down an enemy Titan, punching the towering war engine from its feet amid the false sun of a reactor meltdown. One well-placed missile can deliver virulent pathogens to the core of an army, wipe out the entire command structure of the foe in a holocaust of billowing plasma, or crush the morale of a wavering enemy with it's sudden, god-like wrath.

What I find interesting about this passage is that it makes it sound like the Deathstrike is a tactical weapon rather than a strategic one like say an ICBM. Apparently being capable of "only" being able to wipe out a command structure or breaking the moral of an already wavering enemy but is apparently incapable of actually destroying them directly.

Held behind Imperial lines, Deathstrikes lurk out of sight, remaining undetected while they await their moment. When enemy forces threaten catastrophic breakthrough, or a suitably valuable target presents itself, waves of infantry are sent to bog the enemy down. Fed short range combat-launch coordinates, the Deathstrikes discharge their terrifying weapons directly into the heart of battle. As the missile descends, friend and foe alike are immolated amid the unleashed blast-wave.

The codex mentions the above is a new tactic, ushering in a new renaissance for the Deathstrike, and is again extremely tactical in nature being used more like the Davy Crockette atomic rifle than the Fat Man bomb to blunt an immediate breakthrough in the Imperial lines or destroy a particular high value target. While being depicted as a far larger, more complex weapon.

Now maybe in some other book they're described as city vaporizing super-weapons but, just going by the Codex, they sound like they'd be less effective than late 20th/early 21th century nuclear weapons than two of the three alien factions already dealt with and proved to be of limited utility against them. Hell even the nuke bazooka employed by the Movie Mobile Infantry the Arachnids dealt with seems better tailored for the role tactical nuke weapon.

 

[Scooby Doo]

We also have to take into consideration synchronization of the triple A alliance.


All of them are Hive Minds and with Perfect team work this means no infighting and excellent rapid coordination.

The Locust can also serve as carriers for the Kaiju's and Arachnid Warriors, they also serve as production bases thanks to the reproductive abilities of the Arachnid Empire.

With for example 10,000 Breeder Bugs they'll be averaging between 120,000 eggs a day. So in six days they'll have a standing Warrior army a hundred thousand strong with a replacement for every following day.

Heck if they start with just 100 Breeder Bugs it would only take them two weeks to reproduce 12,000 Breeder Bugs.


They can definitely out produce any army in 40k so long as they have a couple weeks to produce Breeder Bugs.

You thought the Tyranids were good at numbers? Have a thousand Breeder Bugs produce nothing but Breeder Bugs at peak capacity for 21 days.

1,000 x 36 x 21 = 756,000

Then have those produce nothing but Warrior Bugs for a month

756,000 x 12 x 30 = 272,160,000

If they exert themselves at maximum they can quadruple to 762,048,000 Warriors over the course of 21 days.


If they focused solely on Breeder Bugs for two months starting at one hundred breeder bugs, with one month at peak capacity and the other at regular you'd get the following.

108,800 Breeder Bugs (Day 21)
119,600 Breeder Bugs (Day 30)
43,056,000 Breeder Bugs (Day 60)

Which they can then go to peak capacity for three weeks to get 43,400,448,000 Arachnid Warriors.

More than enough to deal with Crusade level Guardsmen deployments which average 8 Billion with about a third of that being reserves.

Keep in mind they at least have 30 Planet already and Kleandathu would have several hundred thousand Breeder Bugs, with a safe spot like the Harvesters they can focus on breeding and once they snow ball into tens of millions of Breeder Bugs per colony they'll be producing trillions of armies EVERY month.

 

[Agent23]

That didn't stop them it only delayed them irc



Yeah so? The Precursors can terraform the planet with one Kaiju, Tyranids need an entire fleet to do anything on a planetary scale.

Tyranids basically eat every scrap of organic material on the planet after killing off and eating all resistance, so yeah.

Nope, it took three nukes. And all subsequent Kaiju were killed with nukes

Sorry, that was not in the OG movie, and I don't care what various randos like some writer say.
Maybe if it was Del Toro, then OK, but the movie is a higher class canon than side material IMHO.

Assuming that every Imperium navy can get past the Locust fleet.

Any reason you are ignoring the other threats?
Like the Necrons and the various Aeldari leftovers?

Because the Drukhari have and still manage to, steal literal suns from reqlspace to move them to Comorrah and the Necrons can bend space and time to their will and throw around black holes.

It's mentioned several times



Uhh excuse you, are we literally ignoring this???

A Blaneblade couldn't survive half the crap a Jaegar can.

There are a hell of a lot more Banebladed and other weapons on the Imperium's arsenal.
Also, look above.

The portal is only used for exits, Kaiju don't enter back and they have a Hive Mind so even if for some reason there was a vicious disease they would just send the message telepathically back and create a inoculation for the next wave.

Yeah, no, nothing has adapted to the Life Eater virus.
Also, congrats, Papa Nurgle now has a special interest in them.

Ez



Pyskers end up getting possessed by the Hive mind like literally everyone whose tried to do it.

Yeah, no again, psykers get specialized training tonward off corruption by the likes of chaos.

It will be much harder for the knockoff Mi'go posess them, and Psykes have been in contact with hive minds before, like the Nids.

And Spacemarines wouldn't get any information from the Kaiju since their clones and would only know they exit through a portal.

The Kaiju the Abrams lookalike homage guy connected to was connected to the hivemind, so it had exposure to it and memories related to the other side, probably memories from the other entities in the hivemind as well.

But a Kaiju could easily kill a million Marines so...

Good thing there are trillions of heavily armed guardsmen with weapons much more powerful than thet, though.

Hmm not impressed lol.

The Kaiju pretty much mean anything other Titan Grade fire power is fodder. And Titan Grade fire power is uncommon in the 40k verse and even rare to use in vast numbers

Yeah...Quad Barrel guns that fire shells nearly the length of a car are nothing but a nuisance to Pacific Rim Kaiju, 12mm rifles wouldn't break the skin.

Leman Russ's wouldn't break the skin either


Nids are most certainly not stronger than a Kaiju lmao, numerous yeah but the Precursors get equal industry to the Imperium so that's millions of Anteverse factories mass producing 5,000-8,000 ton Kaiju every day.


One planet that's been dying over the course of fifty years, they have plenty of time lmao.

Yeah...the most advanced Tyranid they can make is Swarmlord whose lost several times to Sub-Titan lvl opponents.

Not really impressive compared to what the Precursors can do with bio tech.

Barely worse, Nids can and have bent Chaos over the table and forced Necrons to team up with Spacemarines.



Necrons in their prime maybe but in 40k verse Chaos Fleets can solo entire worlds.

Like wise Chaos is a tiny fraction of the Imperium so their ships get blasted easier than the Nids.


Cool.

Every Harvester ship can do this, there's just as many Harvester ships as Imperium ships.

They're definitely going to be Top Dog navy when you have to use the rarest one of a kind ships to compete with a sub fleet of the Locust


There really isn't, the Orkz and Tyranids constitute the main threats of the galaxy with how common they are.

It could be made out of toilet paper and it'd still be a several hundred gigaton to teraton shot.



But apparently are enough to threaten the entire Galaxy which is bad news against this alliance.


Necrons can also get their cheeks clapped by Mechanicus forces and Chaos Marines.

Highly highly overrated, a combination of Arachnids and Kaiju EMP's would be more than enough to overwhelm anything short of the strongest and largest Necron compositions to exist in current 40k.

There are many weapons in the WH arsenal that have Titan-leverl weapons, the various fleets for one, Ordinatus weapons, etc.

And the Locusts are too slow to provide effective cover where interstellar distances are concerned.

You are whanking PakRim and ID4 out of proportion, what we saw in the first film for each paints a very different picture.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Tyranids basically eat every scrap of organic material on the planet after killing off and eating all resistance, so yeah.

Yeah and it takes them several months to do

Sorry, that was not in the OG movie, and I don't care what various randos like some writer say.
Maybe if it was Del Toro, then OK, but the movie is a higher class canon than side material IMHO.

Travis Beachm literally Co-Writed the Pacific Rim story line with Del Toro, his word is equivalent to Del Toro so yes it's canon.

What you're doing is called Cherry Picking

Any reason you are ignoring the other threats?
Like the Necrons and the various Aeldari leftovers?

Because the Necrons are sleeping, uncommon and slow?

The Aeldari also consist of a bunch of lightly armored strippers that are horribly suited against large numbers of melee enemies.

Because the Drukhari have and still manage to, steal literal suns from reqlspace to move them to Comorrah and the Necrons can bend space and time to their will and throw around black holes.

Literally none of it is combat applicable you're just wanking lol

There are a hell of a lot more Banebladed and other weapons on the Imperium's arsenal.
Also, look above.

No there really isn't, there's stories of literally over ten thousand Guardsmen dying to try and get a Baneblade removed from a ditch that it got stuck in during a fight

So that's like 1 Bane Blade per 10,000 Guardsmen since they couldn't just pull a new one.

In comparison there is 482,416 US Soldiers for 8,000 Abrams Tanks which is 1 Tank per 60 Infantry.

Mean while a Baneblade weights 500 tons only so any Kaiju can slap it out of combat.

Yeah, no, nothing has adapted to the Life Eater virus.

They literally terraform the planets after a planet gets virus bombed, don't try to bullshit me lol.

Also, congrats, Papa Nurgle now has a special interest in them.

Nope, no interest in Blanks.

Yeah, no again, psykers get specialized training tonward off corruption by the likes of chaos.

And still fail most of the time unless they're the top tier like Grey Knights.

It will be much harder for the knockoff Mi'go posess them, and Psykes have been in contact with hive minds before, like the Nids.

And there's just as many instances of them failing, idk why you're acting like the Imperium hasn't lost as many fights as its won

The Kaiju the Abrams lookalike homage guy connected to was connected to the hivemind, so it had exposure to it and memories related to the other side, probably memories from the other entities in the hivemind as well.

That was through drift technology which works on different principles, not the same as Spacemarine memory absorption all the Spacemarine gets is diarrhea and seeing a Kaiju go through a portal.

Good thing there are trillions of heavily armed guardsmen with weapons much more powerful than thet, though.

No there are Trillions of Guardsmen with light and medium vehicles with artillery that often shoot conventional ammunition with their trump card usually being higher than average 21st century fire power and sheer numbers.

But as we know with actual stated figures they can only deploy Crusade level fleets about 8 billion strong, considering they could only afford one Crusade against the Tau in several centuries the Imperium would get annihilated trying to invade the Triple AA territory or try to reclaim a planet from them.

There are many weapons in the WH arsenal that have Titan-leverl weapons, the various fleets for one, Ordinatus weapons, etc.

Most of that arsenal is reserved for key planets or naval ships which they are rarely willing to commit, most of the time they're sending basic equipment equipped forces and maybe a Spacemarine Chapter or two to help

And the Locusts are too slow to provide effective cover where interstellar distances are concerned.

In what universe are they too slow?

A distress signal in 1996 took 20 years to arrive and once received they got to Earth with in three days.

Considering how far Humanity can look into space for planets the Harvesters would have to be over 17,000 light years away so Harvester FTL is at least 5,666 a day enough to cross the galaxy left to right in two months.

Mean while the Imperium takes years to travel from one sector to the next

You are whanking PakRim and ID4 out of proportion, what we saw in the first film for each paints a very different picture.

Sequels = Wank?

Sequels are canon for both and they got stronger in both. Why wouldn't we include their sequel feats?

 

[Agent23]

Yeah and it takes them several months to do

And those Mi-go knockoffs did not try to attack earth for a billion years because of a few degrees difference in temperature...

Travis Beachm literally Co-Writed the Pacific Rim story line with Del Toro, his word is equivalent to Del Toro so yes it's canon.

I literally never heard this guy's name before today.

What you're doing is called Cherry Picking

Nope, it is like saying that Lukas's original conceptual work "The Star Wars" is canon for modern SW.
But in this case this guy isn't even the Lukas equivalent.

Because the Necrons are sleeping, uncommon and slow?

Nothing like a few slow, annoying hivemind sliend to wake them up by trying to steal the cores of their tombworlds.

The Aeldari also consist of a bunch of lightly armored strippers that are horribly suited against large numbers of melee enemies.

Raiders, not conquerors.

They are into big payoff lie risk ventures and degenerate fun.

Their tech capabilities though are obvious, and they were basically the client race/bioweapon of the species the Necrontyr/Early Necrons were fighting.

Literally none of it is combat applicable you're just wanking lol

Yeah, sure, the war in haven was not a big deal.

No there really isn't, there's stories of literally over ten thousand Guardsmen dying to try and get a Baneblade removed from a ditch that it got stuck in during a fight

You do realize that there are such things as requisition time and travel time and the like?

So that's like 1 Bane Blade per 10,000 Guardsmen since they couldn't just pull a new one.

In comparison there is 482,416 US Soldiers for 8,000 Abrams Tanks which is 1 Tank per 60 Infantry.

They have smaller tanks, and lots of them.

Mean while a Baneblade weights 500 tons only so any Kaiju can slap it out of combat.

Yes, in a fight where nucleonic weapons and energy weapons are involved we care about weight and meelee, sure.

They literally terraform the planets after a planet gets virus bombed, don't try to bullshit me lol.

After the planet was rendered lifeless, maybe.

Nope, no interest in Blanks.


And still fail most of the time unless they're the top tier like Grey Knights.

Blanks, how are blanks related here?

And there's just as many instances of them failing, idk why you're acting like the Imperium hasn't lost as many fights as its won

You are the one whanking up PacRim's 20 minutes into the future tech and disregarding the yield and numerical advantages of 40k.
Also you are disregarding all the top factions.

That was through drift technology which works on different principles, not the same as Spacemarine memory absorption all the Spacemarine gets is diarrhea and seeing a Kaiju go through a portal.

Yeah, ok, if you say so.

No there are Trillions of Guardsmen with light and medium vehicles with artillery that often shoot conventional ammunition with their trump card usually being higher than average 21st century fire power and sheer numbers.

No, yields for 40k are significantly higher.

But as we know with actual stated figures they can only deploy Crusade level fleets about 8 billion strong, considering they could only afford one Crusade against the Tau in several centuries the Imperium would get annihilated trying to invade the Triple AA territory or try to reclaim a planet from them.

Last I checked this is your alliance vs. the 40k MW, not vs. the Imperium.

Most of that arsenal is reserved for key planets or naval ships which they are rarely willing to commit, most of the time they're sending basic equipment equipped forces and maybe a Spacemarine Chapter or two to help

Depends on the severity of the problem and how preoccupied they are with other problems.

And your alliance will step into many of those other problems.

In what universe are they too slow?

In the one where it says they have no FTL.

A distress signal in 1996 took 20 years to arrive and once received they got to Earth with in three days.

And the silly ball robot told us they have no FTL.

Considering how far Humanity can look into space for planets the Harvesters would have to be over 17,000 light years away so Harvester FTL is at least 5,666 a day enough to cross the galaxy left to right in two months.

ID4.2 said they have no FTL.

Mean while the Imperium takes years to travel from one sector to the next

Warp shenanigans.

Sequels = Wank?

And tie-in materials.

Sequels are canon for both and they got stronger in both. Why wouldn't we include their sequel feats?

Because they contradict the precious canon maybe?

 

[Scooby Doo]

And those Mi-go knockoffs did not try to attack earth for a billion years because of a few degrees difference in temperature...

Well it's a bit difficult to terraform a planet from another dimension, the Tyranids don't have an excuse tbh.

I literally never heard this guy's name before today.

Probably cause you didn't pay attention to the credits or any Pacific Rim material

Nope, it is like saying that Lukas's original conceptual work "The Star Wars" is canon for modern SW.
But in this case this guy isn't even the Lukas equivalent.

The guy co writed the script with Del Toro and wrote the Novelization. Your argument is invalid, he's a Co-Creator

Nothing like a few slow, annoying hivemind sliend to wake them up by trying to steal the cores of their tombworlds.

Well shit if they're just waking up then the Harvesters God stomp it only takes five hour to take a core meanwhile it takes Necrons several hours to days to wake up meaning the Locust are fighting only a paltry defense force.

Raiders, not conquerors.

They are into big payoff lie risk ventures and degenerate fun.

Their tech capabilities though are obvious, and they were basically the client race/bioweapon of the species the Necrontyr/Early Necrons were fighting.

They also routinely get clapped by Heavy infantry shooting at them with heavy guns.

Yeah, sure, the war in haven was not a big deal.

War in Heaven Necrons don't exist in actual 40k that was long before the Emperor existed.

You do realize that there are such things as requisition time and travel time and the like?

So their logistics are so bad they can't call in a tank in a reasonable time frame and it's more convenient to lose a divisions worth of infantry.

That speaks more volumes on how bad Imperium logistics are, they struggle to provide the Guard with armored vehicles and have lopsided infantry to vehicle ratios.

They have smaller tanks, and lots of them.

Anything Baneblade and below won't scratch a Kaiju, and the Arachnid Warriors could just sink or flip the tanks over making them useless.

Yes, in a fight where nucleonic weapons and energy weapons are involved we care about weight and meelee, sure.

90% of the fighting is done with 21st century equivalent fire power, they're unable to field their best tech on a large scale for every battle.

Soooo they'll lose more than they win.

After the planet was rendered lifeless, maybe.

Soooo yeah the Arachnids and Precursors can just recolonize the planet after the Life eater is deployed.

Blanks, how are blanks related here?

They're treated as blanks per OP.

You are the one whanking up PacRim's 20 minutes into the future tech and disregarding the yield and numerical advantages of 40k.
Also you are disregarding all the top factions.

No lol the Arachnids can produce Trillions of warriors in the timeframe it takes for the Imperium to rally a Crusade.

And nothing short of a Crusade lvl force is going to be a speed bump to the alliance.

Yeah, ok, if you say so.

No, yields for 40k are significantly higher.

No they're not, Leman Russes for example are crappy designed tanks with their one saving grace being their armor which may or may not be better than an Abrams depending on which sources you cherry pick.

Lasguns with Max wank are only grenade launcher fire power.

Last I checked this is your alliance vs. the 40k MW, not vs. the Imperium.

Imperium is the only one that can both compete in Space Naval Combat and is organized enough. (Necrons not organized, Tau garbage, Eldars weak, Tyranids Garbage, Orkz Unorganized)

Tyranids are useless in Space
Aeldari are a joke in melee Swarms
Necrons are too few and Kaiju EMP's hard counter them on ground combat
Chaos is too few and would not be able to corrupt.

Depends on the severity of the problem and how preoccupied they are with other problems.

Which is still present so they can't commit more than one or two Crusades at a time.

And considering the production capacity of these factions (Kaiju take Hours, Trillions in a Year) they can stomp any force unless entire factions set aside their difference and commit their entire resource.

And your alliance will step into many of those other problems.

Erm no, the Bugs are insects and a Hive Mind. All they need to do is make babies
The Precursors are in another dimension that's frequency locked and protected by Kaiju soldiers bigger than Slater.
The Locust are inter galactic on scale that have fought a 1,000 year long war so they have better logistics than the God Emperor can even dream about

In the one where it says they have no FTL.

And the silly ball robot told us they have no FTL.

ID4.2 said they have no FTL.

At no point is that said by the sphere the scene is on Youtube, why you lying bro?


So yes Locust have better FTL than the Imperium will ever have and they go about speed blitzing

Warp shenanigans.

Yeah they can't invent a different FTL and they never will because of their corrupt bureaucracy.

And tie-in materials.

Because they contradict the precious canon maybe?

Tie in materials are canon, and I'm sorry but do you know 40k lmao?
It's full of contradictions but if you want to nitpick we can always go with the Spacemarine movie feats since the novels contradict canon after all

 

[Agent23]

Well it's a bit difficult to terraform a planet from another dimension, the Tyranids don't have an excuse tbh.

>Terraforming.
>In universe human pollution and some moderate temperature increases...

Probably cause you didn't pay attention to the credits or any Pacific Rim material

I like Del Toro's stuff, and I know that he is the primary driving force behind most of the stuff he does, who he got to pad out dialogue or did minor details is not something I am interested in, tbh.

The guy co writed the script with Del Toro and wrote the Novelization. Your argument is invalid, he's a Co-Creator

No more than Alan Dean Foster and Kray Kray Kay Kay had on original Star Wars.

Well shit if they're just waking up then the Harvesters God stomp it only takes five hour to take a core meanwhile it takes Necrons several hours to days to wake up meaning the Locust are fighting only a paltry defense force.

Yeah, sure.At STL speeds.

Imaging a few of their planets getting attacked and every single Dynasty waking up.

They also routinely get clapped by Heavy infantry shooting at them with heavy guns.

40k heavy guns.

War in Heaven Necrons don't exist in actual 40k that was long before the Emperor existed.

Now who is cherry picking again?

So their logistics are so bad they can't call in a tank in a reasonable time frame and it's more convenient to lose a divisions worth of infantry.

That speaks more volumes on how bad Imperium logistics are, they struggle to provide the Guard with armored vehicles and have lopsided infantry to vehicle ratios.

It depends on the IG unit, sector and circumstances.
Also, the Imperium does not do combined arms like we do it.
Because they do not want a single combined arms unit to mutiny and and wreck havoc.

Anything Baneblade and below won't scratch a Kaiju, and the Arachnid Warriors could just sink or flip the tanks over making them useless.

The same arechnid warriors who basically got killed by one of the most incompetent and I'll equipped molitdries in SF?

90% of the fighting is done with 21st century equivalent fire power, they're unable to field their best tech on a large scale for every battle.

>Lasrifles that can do as much damage as a modern day anti-material rifle and can be recharged by putting them in a fire.
>21 century tech.
Sure.

Soooo they'll lose more than they win.

Nope.

Soooo yeah the Arachnids and Precursors can just recolonize the planet after the Life eater is deployed.

You do realize that the life ester turns all organic matter on a planet into highly flammable sludge that eventually gets ignited, right?

No lol the Arachnids can produce Trillions of warriors in the timeframe it takes for the Imperium to rally a Crusade.

Trillions of warriors?

Where?

And even if the number is right they frigging all died to Movie SST, who are an outright bad caricature.

And nothing short of a Crusade lvl force is going to be a speed bump to the alliance.

Necrons, Chaos, the whole might of the Imperium, every single OP character shielded supergenious from Belisarius Cawl to Fabius Bile, all the Hereteks and all the Chaos gods and Primarchs.

No they're not, Leman Russes for example are crappy designed tanks with their one saving grace being their armor which may or may not be better than an Abrams depending on which sources you cherry pick.

I pick the ones that say high giga/low teratons.

Lasguns with Max wank are only grenade launcher fire power.

Yeah, not bad for the in universe equivalent of an old AK.

Imperium is the only one that can both compete in Space Naval Combat and is organized enough. (Necrons not organized, Tau garbage, Eldars weak, Tyranids Garbage, Orkz Unorganized)

Wrong.

Tyranids are useless in Space
Aeldari are a joke in melee Swarms
Necrons are too few and Kaiju EMP's hard counter them on ground combat
Chaos is too few and would not be able to corrupt.

Who cares about meelee exactly, why?

Which is still present so they can't commit more than one or two Crusades at a time.

And considering the production capacity of these factions (Kaiju take Hours, Trillions in a Year) they can stomp any force unless entire factions set aside their difference and commit their entire resource.

Oh, really, and why didn't the Mi-Go swamp Earth's defenses with Cat 1s from the get go then?

Nah, they are literally dumber than the Mocie SST federation Sky Mardhals.

Erm no, the Bugs are insects and a Hive Mind. All they need to do is make babies

And exceedingly easy to kill.

The Precursors are in another dimension that's frequency locked and protected by Kaiju soldiers bigger than Slater.

You mean a dying planet.

The Locust are inter galactic on scale that have fought a 1,000 year long war so they have better logistics than the God Emperor can even dream about

And without sheilds they die to 20th century conventional weapons.

The Imperium had fought continent sized possessed Space Hulks and won.

At no point is that said by the sphere the scene is on Youtube, why you lying bro?


So yes Locust have better FTL than the Imperium will ever have and they go about speed blitzing

Dude, the space sphere thing said it in ID4.2
They
Have
No
FTL

 

[Scooby Doo]

>Terraforming.
>In universe human pollution and some moderate temperature increases...

Human pollution didn't stop them lol

I like Del Toro's stuff, and I know that he is the primary driving force behind most of the stuff he does, who he got to pad out dialogue or did minor details is not something I am interested in, tbh.

No more than Alan Dean Foster and Kray Kray Kay Kay had on original Star Wars.

ER sorry but canon is canon

Yeah, sure.At STL speeds.

In what universe?
Provide the exact quote.

Imaging a few of their planets getting attacked and every single Dynasty waking up.

Cause that happened in 40k even when the Tyranids and Chaos have been attacking several of their planets.

40k heavy guns.

Heavy Guns only on Titans who can get toppled over and can't stand back up lol

Now who is cherry picking again?

You definitely

It depends on the IG unit, sector and circumstances.
Also, the Imperium does not do combined arms like we do it.
Because they do not want a single combined arms unit to mutiny and and wreck havoc.

That makes no sense bro

The same arechnid warriors who basically got killed by one of the most incompetent and I'll equipped molitdries in SF?

Ermm they stomped being incompetent since the end of the third film, the other content also has them just as competent as Guardsmen.

>Lasrifles that can do as much damage as a modern day anti-material rifle and can be recharged by putting them in a fire.
>21 century tech.
Sure.

Bruh the Morita can apparently punch through two inches of Titanium and is the oldest weapon in the Federation army.

Anti-Material sniper rifles are not relevant in this fight, you'll need Bolters to deal with Arachnids and Titans for Kaiju anything less loses pretty quick

Nope.

Yeh

You do realize that the life ester turns all organic matter on a planet into highly flammable sludge that eventually gets ignited, right?

Yeah and you realize Breach Portals are in another universe... right?

Trillions of warriors?

Where?

With Breeder Bugs, 12 average a day with 48 they can output for a couple weeks.

And even if the number is right they frigging all died to Movie SST, who are an outright bad caricature.

Guardsmen literally fought Tyranids with trench warfare I don't want to hear them being caricatures when both use the same tactics lmao

Necrons, Chaos, the whole might of the Imperium, every single OP character shielded supergenious from Belisarius Cawl to Fabius Bile, all the Hereteks and all the Chaos gods and Primarchs.

Too bad none of them are united.

I pick the ones that say high giga/low teratons.

So the Motherships with their high exaton shields laugh off everything and kill all the navy ships with ramming.

Yeah, not bad for the in universe equivalent of an old AK.

It is actually pretty bad.

Wrong.

Who cares about meelee exactly, why?

Because you're dealing with an alliance that specializes in Melee and High Production, their swarms are only matched by Tyranids who have a history of bolo stomping everyone in the ground.

Oh, really, and why didn't the Mi-Go swamp Earth's defenses with Cat 1s from the get go then?

Because the portal wasn't stabilized. They learn how to do this in Pacific Rim Black and can open portals all over Australia in seconds.

Nah, they are literally dumber than the Mocie SST federation Sky Mardhals.

Nah a Sky Marshal is smarter than your average commissionar who kills people randomly all the time.

And exceedingly easy to kill.

Nope

You mean a dying planet.

Planet that has been dying since the Jurassic period

And without sheilds they die to 20th century conventional weapons.

And with out armor Spacemarines die to wooden spears.

The Imperium had fought continent sized possessed Space Hulks and won.

They fought weaker than Harvester ship shields Space Hulks and won

Dude, the space sphere thing said it in ID4.2
They
Have
No
FTL

No they haven't. Post the quote cause I just checked the clips on YouTube and read the novel and at no point is it stated they have no FTL.

It's also the stupidest shit I've ever read, if they don't have FTL how the hell did they get to Earth?????

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

>Lasrifles that can do as much damage as a modern day anti-material rifle and can be recharged by putting them in a fire.
>21 century tech.

Actually could you provide quotes of them of them doing anti-material damage? I would be curious to see how consistent that is.

Further the fact a lasgun can be reliably powered by throwing it into a fire in an emergency or more typically relying on solar energy limits a lasgun's capacity. As noted here a square meter under an Earth like atmosphere, where the Guard fight 90% of the time, only gets like 340 watts and while bulky a lasgun isn't 1) a square meter in size, 2) is unlikely to have it's total surface dedicated as a solar collector and 3) is almost certainly not going to have a 100% efficiency.

Climate and Earth’s Energy Budget

Earth’s temperature depends on how much sunlight the land, oceans, and atmosphere absorb, and how much heat the planet radiates back to space. This fact sheet describes the net flow of energy through different parts of the Earth system, and explains how the planetary energy budget stays in balance.

earthobservatory.nasa.gov

And then of course there's the issue that from power back to lasgun bolt/beam is going to further lose energies due to inefficiencies.

The fact the Imperium even remotely relies on camp fires and daylight for power suggests, if anything, they sacrifice stopping power in exchange for easier logistics. Which would make sense considering the state of the IoM's logistical arm.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Lasguns have variable shot intensity. Maybe the selector switch has variable yield labels ranging from flashlight to anti material rifle.

Or maybe the campfires use plasma logs.

 

[Vyor]

The Aeldari also consist of a bunch of lightly armored strippers that are horribly suited against large numbers of melee enemies.

Behold, a lightly armored stripper right there on the bottom, underneath the 2 eldar titans.

Or here, right next to the eldar titan.

Or here inside the eldar hover tank.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Behold, a lightly armored stripper right there on the bottom, underneath the 2 eldar titans.

Or here, right next to the eldar titan.

Or here inside the eldar hover tank.

Much armor, anyway the Plasma Bugs make short work out of armor that is not a Titan.

Zip zip.


The City Destroyers do the rest, the Harvesters have more City Destroyers than Eldar have pilots for Titans lmao.

 

[Vyor]

The bottom one is a farseer, they don't get into melee combat. Or combat at all. They stay on their craftworld reading the future for how to best deploy the Anal Destroyer 5000 on your backline.

The other 2 are dark eldar scouts. They are not frontline combatants, they assassinate and ambush people. While they can fight more armored opponents and win they aren't specialized in it.

Much armor, anyway the Plasma Bugs make short work out of armor that is not a Titan.

So how does that react to shields and things that are smaller and more maneuverable than space ships? Wait, we know the answer: they die because the humans from that fictional universe kill them by landing soldiers and shooting at them from the ground while in power armor.

Cease your bullshittery.