Versus Match Triple Alien Alliance in 40k

[Scooby Doo]

All members of the Alien Alliance count as Blanks and Member's 1&2 have equal industry to the Imperium of Mankind

Member 1. Locusts (Independence Day)

Member 2. Precursors (Pacific Rim)

Member 3. Cinematic Universe Arachnids

These three aliens have perfect teamwork and try to carve their own path in the 40k verse, how well do they do working together?

 

[Zachowon]

Eh, the only thing that makes any sense here is the first because of what thier shields are capable of withstanding.
The Precursors have giant monsters that get killed by humans in giant mechs that sre light ad hell and Titans and even some Knights outweigh.

The bugs are just Cannon fodder

 

[Scooby Doo]

Eh, the only thing that makes any sense here is the first because of what thier shields are capable of withstanding.

Ehhh disagree, there are some advantages that the others provide plus they'd need ground forces.

The Precursors have giant monsters that get killed by humans in giant mechs that are light as hell and Titans and even some Knights outweigh.

The lightness is offset by the fact that Cat IV can launch 2,500 ton Jaegars several hundred meters into the air, and even Cat III Kaiju have the ability to break through that metal.

Main strength of the Kaiju tho is how easy they can be mass produced. The double event which is the plot of the first movie would have had Kaiju being pumped out every four minutes.

Some of which can fly into the upper atmosphere or release EMP's.


It takes decades to centuries to build a Titan, the Precursors can afford to spam enough Kaiju the Titans run out of ammo long before the Precursors are routed.


Not including their shape shifting Kaiju the size of a six year old that can stalemate a 2,500 ton mech in H2H.

The bugs are just Cannon fodder

Good canon fodder.

The Arachnids unlike the Tyranids are self sufficient as in you can't starve them to death by not having any bios mass.

 

[Zachowon]

Ehhh disagree, there are some advantages that the others provide plus they'd need ground forces.



The lightness is offset by the fact that Cat IV can launch 2,500 ton Jaegars several hundred meters into the air, and even Cat III Kaiju have the ability to break through that metal.

Main strength of the Kaiju tho is how easy they can be mass produced. The double event which is the plot of the first movie would have had Kaiju being pumped out every four minutes.

Some of which can fly into the upper atmosphere or release EMP's.


It takes decades to centuries to build a Titan, the Precursors can afford to spam enough Kaiju the Titans run out of ammo long before the Precursors are routed.


Not including their shape shifting Kaiju the size of a six year old that can stalemate a 2,500 ton mech in H2H.


Good canon fodder.

The Arachnids unlike the Tyranids are self sufficient as in you can't starve them to death by not having any bios mass.

The lightness makes fuckng dreadnought weight mire then fucking kaiju.
And am guessing the girl is from the anime I havnt watched?

And we knownplasma is strong against them.
Also, I doubt a EMP that works on modernish works on 40k equipment in te same way.

And we have no actual way to prove that they would have been actually four minutes outside if a comment.
They didn't do it so we can't say they are actually capable of it.


You can't starve tyranids in a combat zone.
Arachnids are weaker on every level

 

[Scooby Doo]

The lightness makes fuckng dreadnought weight mire then fucking kaiju.
And am guessing the girl is from the anime I havnt watched?

1. No it isn't lmao
Venerable Dreadnought
12 Tons

Even Warlord Titans weigh less than a Kaiju or equal to a Tian
Warlord-class Titan.

Even the lightest Jaegar is around 1,800 metric tons and the heavier ones close to 2,500.

A Category IV Kaiju would LITERALLY ragdoll a Titan into the air essentially one shotting it in melee

And no they're not weak to Plasma, it takes an entire mag dump of ELEVEN shots from a Plasma Cannon to kill a Category IV.


The Plasma has enough energy to knock back a Category III which weighs over 8,000 tons


They are most definitely not weak to plasma just one of the shots has enough energy to knock over any Titan onto its butt.

And we knownplasma is strong against them.
Also, I doubt a EMP that works on modernish works on 40k equipment in te same way.

No lol this lvl of EMP that can knock down an entire military installation a far off distance away will definitely work on a Titan if Eldars handheld EMP weapons will work on Imperium tech.

Just because it takes place in the 21st century doesn't mean it's not advanced. They're already using quantum technology for the Jaegars by the timeline of Uprising.

And we have no actual way to prove that they would have been actually four minutes outside if a comment.

It's not a comment it's proven in the film mathematically by the scientists researching them lmao.

They didn't do it so we can't say they are actually capable of it.

They didn't do it because the rift got destroyed then, so instead of faster production from one portal they went with multiple slower rifts at a time and took over Australia

Where they're building up their forces and creating better Kaiju and are currently quarantined by humanity.

You can't starve tyranids in a combat zone.
Arachnids are weaker on every level

You can as a matter of fact, Tyranid Fleet Kronos relies on other Tyranids giving them food because their fights with Daemons net no biomass

And if the Tyranids are losing more than they're gaining on ground combat they will also be routed.

With Arachnids they persist indefinitely if you don't wipe them out, their standard warrior/fodder bug is better than Gaunts and it's only when you get to the Carnifex level where Tyranids are better but then the Arachnids have King Tankers which require their tactical nukes to kill.

Then there's the Super Transport Bug that Federation nukes can't kill.


Tyranids are only better in diversity of units and adaptation, if you look at a feat by feat basis the common Arachnid Warrior is plain better than the Common Tyranid gaunts which constitute the bulk of their ground forces.

 

[Husky_Khan]

I think the lightness brain bug comes from the first film where a few helilift helicopters lifted a Jaeger into position for the first battle. Thusly this implies that all Kaiju and Jaegers are made of cardboard within the setting, all other evidence be damned.

Also that Pacific Rim 2 is balls.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I think the lightness brain bug comes from the first film where a few helilift helicopters lifted a Jaeger into position for the first battle. Thusly this implies that all Kaiju and Jaegers are made of cardboard within the setting, all other evidence be damned.

Also that Pacific Rim 2 is balls.

Yeah if they were that light they wouldn't be able to sink that effectively lol.

Official stats taken into consideration they're definitely in the ballpark of Titans but comparatively speaking Kaiju are infinitely more common than Titans.

And titans are a rarity in the 40k verse, few locations can dedicate them to a place of combat and even fewer locations build them.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

@Scooby Doo
All the 'nids need to defeat the Arachnids is a large enough Ripper Swarm. They'll consume everything the Arachnids throw at them with no need to build anything bigger. Biomass now secure. The Arachnids are actually vulnerable to a swarm that's more numerous than theirs.

 

[Scooby Doo]

@Scooby Doo
All the 'nids need to defeat the Arachnids is a large enough Ripper Swarm. They'll consume everything the Arachnids throw at them with no need to build anything bigger. Biomass now secure. The Arachnids are actually vulnerable to a swarm that's more numerous than theirs.

Ripper Swarms can be trumped with Tanker Bugs or Firefrys

10-20 Firefry's with some Tanker Bugs would be more than enough to wipe hordes of Ripplers.

Ignoring the fact that Plasma Bugs can wipe them out long before they get close to any Hive.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

@Scooby Doo
Apologies, I didn't mention the Ripper Swarms main tactic is to just dig themselves to their targets and erupt nearby them. Heck, they could just get into the Arachnids' hives that way as well. So...subterranean rumble ensues.

 

[Scooby Doo]

@Scooby Doo
Apologies, I didn't mention the Ripper Swarms main tactic is to just dig themselves to their targets and erupt nearby them. Heck, they could just get into the Arachnids' hives that way as well. So...subterranean rumble ensues.

Hmm

If their goal is to dig their way to them the extra sensory perception of the Warriors/Workers would detect them via smell and vibration before they break through then have the Firefly's just burn them out.

There's also Blaster Bugs and Blister Bugs and numerous other variants with ranged aoe.

Don't see how the Rippers are getting anything done but dying. Heck the Workers could probably solo by collapsing tunnels on top of them which would squish the Rippers.

 

[Zachowon]

1. No it isn't lmao
Venerable Dreadnought
12 Tons

Even Warlord Titans weigh less than a Kaiju or equal to a Tian
Warlord-class Titan.

Even the lightest Jaegar is around 1,800 metric tons and the heavier ones close to 2,500.

A Category IV Kaiju would LITERALLY ragdoll a Titan into the air essentially one shotting it in melee

And no they're not weak to Plasma, it takes an entire mag dump of ELEVEN shots from a Plasma Cannon to kill a Category IV.


The Plasma has enough energy to knock back a Category III which weighs over 8,000 tons


They are most definitely not weak to plasma just one of the shots has enough energy to knock over any Titan onto its butt.

No lol this lvl of EMP that can knock down an entire military installation a far off distance away will definitely work on a Titan if Eldars handheld EMP weapons will work on Imperium tech.

Just because it takes place in the 21st century doesn't mean it's not advanced. They're already using quantum technology for the Jaegars by the timeline of Uprising.




It's not a comment it's proven in the film mathematically by the scientists researching them lmao.


They didn't do it because the rift got destroyed then, so instead of faster production from one portal they went with multiple slower rifts at a time and took over Australia

Where they're building up their forces and creating better Kaiju and are currently quarantined by humanity.


You can as a matter of fact, Tyranid Fleet Kronos relies on other Tyranids giving them food because their fights with Daemons net no biomass

And if the Tyranids are losing more than they're gaining on ground combat they will also be routed.

With Arachnids they persist indefinitely if you don't wipe them out, their standard warrior/fodder bug is better than Gaunts and it's only when you get to the Carnifex level where Tyranids are better but then the Arachnids have King Tankers which require their tactical nukes to kill.

Then there's the Super Transport Bug that Federation nukes can't kill.


Tyranids are only better in diversity of units and adaptation, if you look at a feat by feat basis the common Arachnid Warrior is plain better than the Common Tyranid gaunts which constitute the bulk of their ground forces.

More my fault for mis reading the weights.

But that is cute about the plasma being more powerful than that of the Titan level plasma.

Because that is one thing I have MULTIPLE quotes for.

I will get them but they burn as hot as the sun and are a lot more powerful then thay if the plasma caster


Also, we have Tyranids eating Gas giants.
What Biomass do those have?

And Tyranid shoot things that eat people, that is it's one of those basic units.
The other are Hermogaunrs which are smaller and can attack a lot faster and stealthily then Arachnids.

 

[Scooby Doo]

More my fault for mis reading the weights.

But that is cute about the plasma being more powerful than that of the Titan level plasma.

Because that is one thing I have MULTIPLE quotes for.

I will get them but they burn as hot as the sun and are a lot more powerful then thay if the plasma caster

That's not like impressive at all. Kaiju's in the Category II to III range can withstand up to three nuclear missiles before dying and that's far hotter than 40k weapons.

[T]he temperature in the core of our sun is usually cited at 15 million degrees Celsius or so. [...] What I don't get is this: some mid-sized thermonuclear test detonations done by the old Soviet Union and the USA have been recorded at (if only very briefly) 200 or even 300 million degrees Celsius. How can our pithy 3 stage hydrogen bomb blasts be so much hotter than the dense hell of the Sun's monster fusion oven?

Ask Ethan: How Can A Nuclear Bomb Be Hotter Than The Center Of Our Sun?

So yeah Pacific Rims plasma by feats is just as strong if not stronger based on pushing back over 8,000 ton Kaiju and punching through their nuke resistant hides.

So Kaiju can definitely weather a storm of attack and bitch slap a Titan with one hit.

And I'm not even touching the high end feats, the Imperium is going to have a hard time when their Titans get annihilated in just a couple of days.

Also, we have Tyranids eating Gas giants.
What Biomass do those have?

Tyranids don't eat Gas Giants they absorb the atmosphere, it doesn't help them in combat tho.

And Tyranid shoot things that eat people, that is it's one of those basic units.

Termagants are dog shit, they're the Tyranid knock off of Guardsmen.

Easy to kill only thing that makes them special is having a gun, they're still inferior to the resilience of the fodder Arachnid.

A single warrior can take focused fired from six Morita's at once for a extended duration before going down and if the claim that it can punch through two inches of Titanium is true then it means that these Bugs have the same durability as a Spacemarine.

The other are Hermogaunrs which are smaller and can attack a lot faster and stealthily then Arachnids.

Lmao no to faster

Humans on foot can outrun Hermogaunts, Arachnid Warriors can sprint 31 mph and maintain it which is faster than even a cat.

When you have to get to Carnifex and above to just compete with the baseline fodder that isn't good

 

[Husky_Khan]

I was kinda bummed they retconned the original Pacific Rim prologue which implied it took tanks, airplanes and missiles six days, three cities and tens of thousands dead or whatever for all of the conventional ordinance to wear down and finally kill the first of the early Kaiju and it was leaving a wake of destruction the whole time.

But then later they said it was just Nukes. How boring.

 

[Scooby Doo]

I was kinda bummed they retconned the original Pacific Rim prologue which implied it took tanks, airplanes and missiles six days, three cities and tens of thousands dead or whatever for all of the conventional ordinance to wear down and finally kill the first of the early Kaiju and it was leaving a wake of destruction the whole time.

But then later they said it was just Nukes. How boring.

Well technically all that happened except nukes were the ones to finish it off. Still good in terms of them not resorting to nukes immediately.

 

[Crom's Black Blade]

It depends slightly on what the final objective is, merely surviving in 40k's galaxy or exterminating all other life found within, but if the Locust(ID4 Aliens) have equal industry to the Imperium, then this Alliance can likely win every battle as quickly as its ships can traverse the gulf between stars.

As crappy as the Locust ships might be sans shields, with them their city-destroyers are all but impervious up to nuclear strikes. So outside of Titans and similar rare weapons of war your typical IG detachment or PDF is unlikely to be any more effective in stopping the Locust than mid-90's Earth was and are likely less capable of out of the box/technological sabotage ala the computer virus.

And given Imperium response times, best measured in days with weeks and months are hardly unheard of, the Locust will have already scoured the world of life/industry before anyone can arrive to find a barren world. Even if the Mothership and supporting city-destroyers are destroyed that's likely an exchange the Imperium can ill-afford.

In this arrangement the Arachnids nicely compliment the Locust as a canon-fodder, bulk army to play mop-up and hunt down surviving pockets of survivors. The durable Arachnids, their talent for burrowing and setting up nests within a world, would also make them ideal garrison forces and further split the Imperium's attention and resources as they are forced to funnel IG regiments to fight a grueling war of attrition against the bugs tying up men, material and starships.

 

[Scooby Doo]

It depends slightly on what the final objective is, merely surviving in 40k's galaxy or exterminating all other life found within, but if the Locust(ID4 Aliens) have equal industry to the Imperium, then this Alliance can likely win every battle as quickly as its ships can traverse the gulf between stars.

As crappy as the Locust ships might be sans shields, with them their city-destroyers are all but impervious up to nuclear strikes. So outside of Titans and similar rare weapons of war your typical IG detachment or PDF is unlikely to be any more effective in stopping the Locust than mid-90's Earth was and are likely less capable of out of the box/technological sabotage ala the computer virus.

And given Imperium response times, best measured in days with weeks and months are hardly unheard of, the Locust will have already scoured the world of life/industry before anyone can arrive to find a barren world. Even if the Mothership and supporting city-destroyers are destroyed that's likely an exchange the Imperium can ill-afford.

In this arrangement the Arachnids nicely compliment the Locust as a canon-fodder, bulk army to play mop-up and hunt down surviving pockets of survivors. The durable Arachnids, their talent for burrowing and setting up nests within a world, would also make them ideal garrison forces and further split the Imperium's attention and resources as they are forced to funnel IG regiments to fight a grueling war of attrition against the bugs tying up men, material and starships.

Keep in mind the Harvester ships also have good range with fire power.

They can rapid fire their beams that can one shot vaporize 50KM spheres, their range is 300,000 KM and looks like average fleet size is four Harvesters.

 

[Agent23]

The precursors are very heavily dependant on biotechnology and are limited to 1 planet which according to in universe dialogue is dying.

We have also seen the original Kaiju dying to RL military tech, which is a lot behind the numbers and sheer firepower a 40k force can dish out.

Also, if worst comes to worst, just Life-Eater virus the planet, or pur a few globes of the stuff on a Kaiju carcass and push it through the gate.

And the nods, well, they are gonna see all that interesting DNA and go om-nom-nom.

Problem fixed, easy as.

The only real problem are the ID4 aliens, if they have all the stuff from the 2nd movie.

Still though, they have no FTL and the Imperium, the Necrons, the Nids and even the Tau can easily fly circles around them.

 

[Scooby Doo]

The precursors are very heavily dependant on biotechnology and are limited to 1 planet which according to in universe dialogue is dying.

Their biotechnology is better than Tyranid biotechnology though so it's not a mark against them.

Kaiju Biotechnology is just as adaptable but with the benefit of them requiring little food for their size in addition to letting them create child sized Kaiju that can switch back and forth between like 1 meter and 20 meters tall but still contain a good Fraction of their giant strength while small.

Plus they can more than easily colonize any of the countless planets in the 40k verse such as the helpless agri world's

We have also seen the original Kaiju dying to RL military tech, which is a lot behind the numbers and sheer firepower a 40k force can dish out.

Erm no they've been injured but the first Kaiju Trespasser was killed by nukes, six days of combined bombardment from the UK Airforce and American Airforce wasn't enough to kill it, even the OG movie states it took three missiles to down which is later confirmed to be nukes.

The amount of ordinance it can withstand while would let it take on an Imperium army solo, Imperium weapons aren't magnitudes better so it's going to take hours of bombardment for one Kaiju and by that time the Kaiju can lay waste to them.

Also, if worst comes to worst, just Life-Eater virus the planet, or pur a few globes of the stuff on a Kaiju carcass and push it through the gate.

Lifeeater worlds can still be terraformed so you're just wiping out the planet for no reason while the rift remains stable, and there's no way they'll figure out about needing to coat the bomb with Kaiju DNA with out brain melding with a Kaiju brain so essentially the breach is going to remain unsealable.

And the nods, well, they are gonna see all that interesting DNA and go om-nom-nom.

By actual feats the Precursors stomp the Tyranids in Biotech feats, the only difference is the Tyranids created psychics and FTL but that won't help them in an actual fight.

Feats like fusing technology to make robo Kaiju, creating humanoid shapeshifters that can turn into giant Kaiju, mass producing nuke resistant Kaiju, creating Kaiju that can each individually terraform an entire planet, ect.

If anything the Tyranids are the ones that are going to have their DNA reverse engineered

Problem fixed, easy as.

The only real problem are the ID4 aliens, if they have all the stuff from the 2nd movie.

Still though, they have no FTL and the Imperium, the Necrons, the Nids and even the Tau can easily fly circles around them.

They do have FTL they're inter galactic and could literally solo the Tyranids.


The Tyranids take months sometimes even years to travel from one edge of a star system to the home planet full of people.

The Harvester can travel from Saturn to the Moon in less than an hour and shoot down orbital platforms on Earth from the Moons distance.


A single Harvester could solo an entire Hive Fleet with its far superior range and mobility, by the time a Hive Fleet gets in range it'd have easily lost a quarter or more of its fleets.

Its beams can one shot 50KM spheres .



If it takes the Tyranids a Month to travel from a distance of Saturn to Earth that puts their sublight speed at 244,000 miles an hour.

Meaning that Harvester can fire its guns for a whole hour straight before the Tyranids get with in range.


Assuming one blast per second and it has 9 cannons.

That's 27,000 total shots, over the course of an hour volley by the time the Tyranid fleet gets with in fighting distance.

That's enough to wipe out a quarter to half a Tyranid fleet and going under the assumption the Harvester doesn't backtrack and kite.


If there's Four Harvesters in one locust fleet they can solo any existing Hive fleets and their reinforcements.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

The amount of ordinance it can withstand while would let it take on an Imperium army solo, Imperium weapons aren't magnitudes better so it's going to take hours of bombardment for one Kaiju and by that time the Kaiju can lay waste to them.

One single weapon destroys any Kaiju. Warp bomb = Dead Kaiju. They have no defense against it, and since they have no understanding of the Warp...no way to develop a defense.