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Jormungandr

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If you want to call literally every military class in world history "nobles" because occupations in all classes generally stay within families and heavily armed people are treated better than peasants, feel free as I laugh at you.

The samurai were not a closed hereditary group until the Edo period, just as they, as I already mentioned, lacked any particular class privileges until the same period.
Actually, while not the standard across all civilizations, this was pretty common in a lot of ancient societies and cultures. Ancient Mesopotamian cultures especially placed value on military service and governorship, as did Greece, Rome, and Egypt (though the latter had Nomarchs directly under the Pharaoh who were basically nobles as we define them -- there were even periods where the normarchs held too much power and could challenge the Pharaoh him/herself, which oft resulted in civil conflicts).

At a stretch, you could even call the Janissaries of the Ottoman Empire having the same sort of rights and privileges as they continued to exist over hundreds of years -- they went from being just slave soldiers to the elite military and political core of the Ottoman armies which had a say in everything and anything.

While not strictly defined by our concept of a noble, they often had hereditary positions, privileges, protections, and responsibilities that the lower classes/peasantry/everyday citizens didn't have.

So, yeah -- not "our" nobles but their various definitions of someone who did the same types of jobs/held the same responsibilities.
 

shangrila

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To my recollection, Samurai, even relatively poor and powerless ones, were the only people authorized to carry weapons in pre-Meiji Japan.



I think the point you're missing, is that both unlanded Knights, and unlanded Samurai were afforded special rights and privileges not granted to common born folk, based theoretically solely on their bloodlines. IE Nobility
. . . That would be during the Edo period, which I specifically mentioned. Before the Edo period, samurai were no more hereditary than all occupations (including peasants or merchants or artisans) generally were, and had no special rights or privileges. They were just the warriors and ran the gamut from the poorest soldier up to the warlord Daimyos.

All the strangeness of Edo period Samurai was precisely because they weren't previously any sort of noble and way too many families had entered the class in the centuries of continuous warfare for the new central government to be comfortable with.
 
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Ixian

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. . . That would be during the Edo period, which I specifically mentioned. Before the Edo period, samurai were no more hereditary than all occupations (including peasants or merchants or artisans) generally were, and had no special rights or privileges. They were just the warriors and ran the gamut from the poorest soldier up to the warlord Daimyos.

All the strangeness of Edo period Samurai was precisely because they weren't previously any sort of noble and way too many families had entered the class in the centuries of continuous warfare for the new central government to be comfortable with.

Sooooo they were a warrior class that became nobility, then later bureaucrats.

Yeah, how exactly are they not the eastern equivalents of knights and nobility again?
 

shangrila

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Sooooo they were a warrior class that became nobility, then later bureaucrats.

Yeah, how exactly are they not the eastern equivalents of knights and nobility again?

They became nobility and bureaucrats during an extremely odd deviant period of their history, during which they were a warrior class without wars and active government efforts to isolate them socially and economically. They were not the equivalent of knights and nobility for the vast majority of their history.

Most importantly, this derail was originally was specifically about their tradition for pederasty, which far predated the Edo period, and had mostly died out by the Edo period. So no, they weren't anything like nobility for any purpose relevant to this thread, in the same way that the Theban Sacred Band and other pederastic warrior fraternities weren't.
 
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Captain X

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Basically just telling us something that we already knew:

Which is to say that trans people tend to have mental problems even before they become trans. Which is to say reading this person's reasons for being trans is way more notable than what the Twitter freaks have to say.
 

DarthOne

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Basically just telling us something that we already knew:

Which is to say that trans people tend to have mental problems even before they become trans. Which is to say reading this person's reasons for being trans is way more notable than what the Twitter freaks have to say.
The only thing that gives me hope when it comes the the Alphabet mafia is how they’ve pushed so hard and so fast that more and more people are waking up and fighting back.

Though I suspect in truth we have yet begun to really fight…
 

ParadiseLost

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Basically just telling us something that we already knew:

Which is to say that trans people tend to have mental problems even before they become trans. Which is to say reading this person's reasons for being trans is way more notable than what the Twitter freaks have to say.

There are a lot of trans people who become trans through the feminization degradation porn pipeline.

Hunter Schafer's reasons for being trans aren't even rare.
 

DarthOne

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Surprise: People With Gender Dysphoria Are Mentally Ill, and Remain So After Transition


A study out of Finland tells us what every sane person already knows: gender dysphoria is not only a symptom of mental illness, but medical treatment for gender dysphoria doesn't cure that mental illness or provide relief from its symptoms.

The study out of Finland was published in the journal European Psychiatry, published by Cambridge University Press.






A study in Finland of 3,665 people with gender dysphoria who contacted the nation's gender-identity services from 1996-2019 found they had much higher psychiatric needs than matched controls. Receiving gender-transition treatment was not tied to a reduction in such psych needs.
https://cambridge.org/core/journals/european-psychiatry/article/have-the-psychiatric-needs-of-people-seeking-gender-reassignment-changed-as-their-numbers-increase-a-register-study-in-finland/D09F9414F798E0462AF911152E7BF576…


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The lead author of the new study is also the author of a study, not yet peer-reviewed, which she presented at the
@SEGM_EBM
conference in October, finding that gender-transition treatment in Finnish youths was not linked to a lower suicide death rate: https://benryan.substack.com/p/youth-gender-transition-treatment…


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One of the slanders aimed at critics of gender ideology is that we are indifferent to the pain of gender-confused children. Nothing could be further from the truth: our argument is actually that the medical transition of these kids compounds the harm that already exists.

The proper treatment for mental illness is not to break out the hormones and scalpels but rather to treat the underlying cause of gender dysphoria, which has its origins in psychiatric dysfunction.

The GD group had received many times more specialist-level psychiatric treatment both before and after contacting specialized GIS than had their matched controls. A marked increase over time in psychiatric needs was observed. Among the GD group, relative risk for psychiatric needs after contacting GIS increased from 3.3 among those with the first appointment in GIS during 1996–2000 to 4.6 when the first appointment in GIS was in 2016–2019. When index period and psychiatric treatment before contacting GIS were accounted for, GR patients who had and who had not proceeded to medical GR had an equal risk compared to controls of needing subsequent psychiatric treatment.
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Contacting specialized GIS is on the increase and occurs at ever younger ages and with more psychiatric needs. Manifold psychiatric needs persist regardless of medical GR.


None of this should surprise anybody. What should surprise you is that an entire industry and ideological movement has been created based on exactly zero evidence that the dangerous treatments being given to children will benefit them in any way.

You are probably aware that as the United States has quickly adopted a "full speed ahead" approach to medically transitioning children, Europe has slammed on the brakes to procedures that were developed there in the first place. Sweden, Finland, the UK, Switzerland and others have essentially abandoned gender transitions for children based on the complete lack of evidence that it helps kids.



Americans are being sold a bill of goods on gender transition and gender ideology.

Unfortunately, I fear that no amount of evidence will change people's minds on this issue. We are amid a mania similar to the insanity surrounding COVID-19. Until it burns out, kids will be subject to damaging experimental treatments that will leave them even more harmed than they were before the butchers got ahold of them.

One thing that would help would be a massive legal movement against the doctors pushing this madness. You have to cost them billions of dollars to stop them, and the more personal liability, the better. They know they are doing harm but won't even engage in a rational discussion of the dangers. Instead, they push harmful "treatments" and reap the riches.





Dysphorias are mental illnesses. It is literally a feeling, which is a mental condition. Telling a kid with a mental illness that they need surgery and hormones that will render them infertile and worse is malpractice.

Doctors should be made to pay. A lot.


WHOEVER WOULD HAVE GUESSED?

 

DarthOne

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'Negotiated' Defense Bill Lets Leftists Keep Using The Military To Push Abortion, DEI, And Trans Agendas


The finalized NDAA draft permits leftist ideologies and policies remaking America's armed forces to remain in place for at least another year.

House and Senate negotiators released the text of a "negotiated" defense spending bill on Wednesday night that predictably allows leftists' Marxist takeover of the U.S. military to go unchallenged.

Deliberated on behind closed doors by House and Senate leaders this week, the finalized draft of the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) for Fiscal Year 2024 — which clocks in at more than 3,000 pages — permits Democrat-backed ideologies and policies remaking America's armed forces to remain in place for at least another year. Among the most notable is the allowance of the Pentagon's unlawful and immoral abortion policy to continue.

Earlier this year, the Defense Department (DOD) began using U.S. taxpayer dollars to pay for service members' travel expenses to receive abortions. The enactment of this illegal guidance prompted Alabama Sen. Tommy Tuberville to launch a protest, in which he used his position on the Senate Armed Services Committee to slow-walk the confirmation of President Biden's military nominees. Tuberville was forced to abandon most of his protest earlier this week after several of his GOP colleagues threatened to side with Democrats in changing Senate rules and allowing the upper chamber to sidestep his holds.

With Tuberville's protest mostly finished, the 2024 NDAA remained the only avenue available to congressional Republicans to halt the Pentagon's unlawful policy. While the original House version included a provision revoking the guidance, the "negotiated" 2024 NDAA draft released this week does not, meaning the DOD will continue using taxpayer money to subsidize service members' abortion travel for at least another year.

Another conservative-backed policy axed from the proposed 2024 NDAA is language prohibiting the use of TRICARE funds to subsidize trans surgeries and wrong-sex hormones for service members and their families. (TRICARE is a health care program used by military personnel and their families). While the House-passed version contained an amendment barring such practices, the Senate-passed version did not.

But taxpayer-funded abortions and trans procedures aren't the only issues on which congressional Republican leadership capitulated to Democrats. The "negotiated" NDAA draft also does little to effectively address the prominence of neo-Marxist ideologies such as so-called "diversity, equity, and inclusion," or DEI, throughout the military.

Though euphemistically named, DEI is a poisonous left-wing framework that dismisses merit and instead discriminates based on characteristics such as skin color and sex. Individuals who qualify for a certain position on merit but don't meet the discriminating entity's goal of being more "diverse" are often passed over in favor of those who meet institutionally preferred identitarian standards.

An amendment included in the House version sought to prohibit the secretary of defense from "appointing or employing a military or civilian employee whose annual pay rate exceeds the equivalent of the rate payable for GS-10 to any position with duties related to [DEI] policy." The finalized draft released Wednesday night, however, waters down this prohibition to only limit the cap to Pentagon civilian workers "whose primary duties are related to DEI."

While the "negotiated" bill does include a provision barring the DOD from creating and filling new agency positions related to DEI, that prohibition is only temporary. As noted in the measure, the ban only lasts from the 2024 NDAA's enactment until the U.S. comptroller general submits "the review of the Department of Defense diversity, equity, and inclusion workforce" required by the Senate Armed Services Committee to Congress. Gone is the House version's provision to "eliminate every office within the Department of Defense established to promote" DEI.

The bill also fails to include an amendment from the House-passed version that would ban the Pentagon from using taxpayer funds to pay for "drag shows, drag queen story [hours], or similar event." While the Defense Department banned drag-related events on military bases earlier this year, failure to codify the aforementioned provision into law effectively allows the agency to reverse its current policy anytime it chooses.

Moreover, the measure extends the federal government's ability to use the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act, or FISA, from the end of this year to April 2024. Recall that FISA was illegally abused by federal intel agencies in the months leading up to the 2016 presidential election to illegally spy on former President Donald Trump's campaign.

Of course, none of these facts have stopped GOP leadership from lying to voters about the finalized draft. In a Thursday tweet celebrating the bill, House Speaker Mike Johnson falsely claimed the 2024 NDAA will "weed out wokeness in the military" and "ban[] drag shows."

Republican leadership's failure to legislatively confront the Biden administration's "reimagining" of the U.S. military has evoked ire from some conservatives such as Rep. Chip Roy, R-Texas. Roy told The Federalist he will not support an NDAA that "doesn't deliver on key conservative wins," and further questioned how any member of Congress could advance the measure "with an unsecured southern border or without addressing the rampant abuses to our civil liberties with an unreformed FISA extension."

"Republicans in the House did our job and passed one of the strongest NDAAs in decades putting a stop to Biden's radical policies destroying the focus of the military," Roy said. "Half measures will get us nowhere. Republicans must deliver real results."

 

A'lan mandragon

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Frankly speaking and laying aside all bullshit "courtesy" the people who "believe" they are or a different sex/gender(which until say 2005 meant the same thing to everyone who wasn't a fa*got "intellectual"). Is at the absolute best an entirely f*cking insane nutbar,and at worst a damn pervert who is incapable of controlling thier own sexual urges. Either way they shouldn't in any way be entertained and if they continue to try and force society at large to adhere to their bull*hit. Should be dealt with in the most permanent and draconian means possible....If your real name is f*cking John and you want to be called Jane so be it do as you will. If however your frankly insane and delusional a*s goes into a bathroom, locker room,or athletic competition. With the women under my authority and thus protection then there will be dire and severe consequences and I don't give a single damn what the state, society, or frankly anyone thinks......F*CK around and find out
 

Cherico

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Frankly speaking and laying aside all bullshit "courtesy" the people who "believe" they are or a different sex/gender(which until say 2005 meant the same thing to everyone who wasn't a fa*got "intellectual"). Is at the absolute best an entirely f*cking insane nutbar,and at worst a damn pervert who is incapable of controlling thier own sexual urges. Either way they shouldn't in any way be entertained and if they continue to try and force society at large to adhere to their bull*hit. Should be dealt with in the most permanent and draconian means possible....If your real name is f*cking John and you want to be called Jane so be it do as you will. If however your frankly insane and delusional a*s goes into a bathroom, locker room,or athletic competition. With the women under my authority and thus protection then there will be dire and severe consequences and I don't give a single damn what the state, society, or frankly anyone thinks......F*CK around and find out

A big problem is that these guys just don't have the survival skills needed to survive long term as a minority group.

They don't have little places ghettos or enclaves to seek shelter in, they don't have any real cultural touch stones to keep themselves going in hard times, and they lack the judgement to understand that you never want to piss off the dominate culture.

Their incredibly visible, loud small and loudly threating to people around them in short the perfect scape goat for any establishment looking to survive an angry mob. Their quite simply put in the long term fucked.
 

A'lan mandragon

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A big problem is that these guys just don't have the survival skills needed to survive long term as a minority group.

They don't have little places ghettos or enclaves to seek shelter in, they don't have any real cultural touch stones to keep themselves going in hard times, and they lack the judgement to understand that you never want to piss off the dominate culture.

Their incredibly visible, loud small and loudly threating to people around them in short the perfect scape goat for any establishment looking to survive an angry mob. Their quite simply put in the long term fucked.
Indeed frankly I have tried to be open-minded but I have 4 baby girls. I have spent a huge amount of will power over many years suppressing my naturally violent tendencies....I'm honestly done period, due to the nature of the Internet I will just say that if the things I mentioned ever in any way, shape, or,form happen to my women. That there will be permanent consequences,I've been locked up for far less. This is bull*hit and I will not tolerate it
 

Typhonis

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Their incredibly visible, loud small and loudly threating to people around them in short the perfect scape goat for any establishment looking to survive an angry mob. Their quite simply put in the long term fucked.
IF I didn't know any better. It sounds like they were set up to do this for a different group but who would do such a thing?
 

Abhorsen

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I'd separate bathroom from lockerroom, personally. In a bathroom, there are stalls, no one walks around naked, no one changes. It's different in a lockerroom. Now that's for women who's actually had a transition, but I don't want to put a Blaire White, say, in a men's bathroom.

It's also practically easier to enforce: if a transtrender starts showing their dick in a woman's only space, than arrest them. If they just use the restroom in a stall, no need, that's normal. No need for ID checks now.
 

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