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Abhorsen

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Ehhh. For me feudalism was only better because it was less of a rat race and the fact that the upper classes more or less left people like us alone instead of monitoring us 24/7.
They didn't though. You weren't allowed to travel. You weren't allowed to change jobs. There was corvee labor, where they basically owned your labor for a good chunk of time, on top of taxes. No, I don't think absolute authority being local is a good tradeoff. I mean, it's better than absolute monarchy or Juche, but it still sucks.
 

Aldarion

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Since we're going back to that now, I have to ask. Do you think this is a good thing? Do you want to live in the coming feudal system?
Coming system isn't feudalism, it is technocracy / plutocracy. Feudalism, in modern society, is nearly impossible.

Trust me, whatever is coming will be far worse than feudalism ever was. Or even would be, in modern society.
Ehhh. For me feudalism was only better because it was less of a rat race and the fact that the upper classes more or less left people like us alone instead of monitoring us 24/7.
It was also better because people and wealth were connected to the land, which meant that the upper classes actually cared about the people they ruled. Today, most of the wealth consists of bytes in computers, and can be moved whenever and wherever.
 

Marduk

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It was also better because people and wealth were connected to the land, which meant that the upper classes actually cared about the people they ruled. Today, most of the wealth consists of bytes in computers, and can be moved whenever and wherever.
No, the upper class cared about the land, not the people, at least not people without a coat of arms to call their own. In fact some medieval rulers outright invited peasants from sometimes distant (by the era's standards) regions to settle on sparsely populated lands, so that they would farm them and pay taxes.
Peasants didn't care much under which noble they are, and the king didn't care much what language his peasants speak, only if they pay taxes, cause trouble and how many of them he has.
 
Coming system isn't feudalism, it is technocracy / plutocracy. Feudalism, in modern society, is nearly impossible.

Trust me, whatever is coming will be far worse than feudalism ever was. Or even would be, in modern society.

It was also better because people and wealth were connected to the land, which meant that the upper classes actually cared about the people they ruled. Today, most of the wealth consists of bytes in computers, and can be moved whenever and wherever.

Right because nothing says I care for my people like regulating them to certain housing and forbidding them from eating certain kinds of food, getting taxed like heck and that's assuming you didn't have an incompetent ruler than spent on his personal buddies like there is no tomorrow. it wasn't that the upper classes cared about the people so much as they barely tolerated them because who else was supposed to do the backbreaking labor. If automation existed back then really couldn't be that much different than the system we are going to get in the future.

Rulers only cared back then because there was not a more convenient option at that time. There is now. It has nothing to do with the benevolence of the system and everything to do with the means of production. We're living in the same human condition everyone has lived in since the very beginning, it's just that unlike with the past we can't whitewash our own perception of the present.
 

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