Transgender Rights

[ParadiseLost]

Wherein a series of honest questions leads a troon to plot acts of terrorism.

I mean, this sounds like a bunch of nothing? None of the violent/psychotic responses on reddit appear to have any upvotes.

Feels like something being blown way out of proportion.

If you want to have an 'alternative' gender identity to feel special, it gets kind of ruined if there are so many people doing it that it becomes a stereotype you fit into.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Prisha Mosley started transitioning from Female to Male when she was a minor including five years on testosterone and a double mastectomy when she was 18 and suffered from numerous complications with her endocrine system, which in turned caused hormone imbalances which contributed to anxiety and depression, which in turn meant she had to take psychiatric medications to treat.

She decided to de-transition but she's approached some difficulties.

Hormonal care to fix her endocrine system, she hopes, could help her become more feminine — and perhaps fertile again. But she said every primary care physician, endocrinologist, obstetrician, and gynecologist she's approached on her insurance list has turned her away or said they can't help.

"I could call and be rejected every single day," according to Prisha.

Professional organizations that represent many of these providers claim to offer open, inclusive, supportive care for "transgender" and "gender diverse" individuals. That offering, it appears, doesn't apply to individuals seeking to detransition.

The article then points out that groups like the Independent Women's Forum have documented numerous cases of detransitioners who've received little help from the inclusive, open and supportive professional medical community that profits off of "gender affirming" treatments.

'Detransitioners' Are Being Abandoned By Medical Professionals

Health providers won't help detransitioners who seek to undo the damage of transgender surgery and hormones.

thefederalist.com

Identity Crisis | Documentary Series | Independent Women's Forum

www.iwf.org

 

[Scooby Doo]

Well I seen talking points that say those who detransition just have internalized transphobia

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Well I seen talking points that say those who detransition just have internalized transphobia

Whoever says that needs to get slapped b/c they are the same people that will force everyone else to bend over backwards when that situation is reversed.

 

[Wargamer08]

It's a castle of sand. To accept that some people want to de-transition is to accept that people can be wrong about or change their sexuality. That's holy water and garlic to these vampires. It's also to admit that transitioning is a permanent and pretty deeply irrevocable act. So not something children and the mentally unstable should be undertaking.

 

[posh-goofiness]

Its not a matter of ideology, at the point of detransition; it's a matter of money. Every mutilated person is a guaranteed customer for hormonal, psych, and physical "treatment" for the rest of their natural life. That represents more than a million dollars pure profit over the course of 50-70 years.

Their social lives become completely ruined as well, so tack on perpetual mental health services as well.

No healthcare facility will want to slit their own throat by removing such a lucrative revenue stream from their pipeline.

 

[King Krávoka]

Spoiler: There could be real Gods that will give immortality to all who have ever lived. However, they don't want us to coom and for that we must kill them for the glory of the communist gangster computer god.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Spoiler: There could be actual Gods out that will offer immortality to all who have ever lisved. However, however, they don't want us to coom and for that we must overthrow them for the glory of the communist gangster computer god.

I'm not high enough to understand this

 

[Jormungandr]

I'm not high enough to understand this

Me too, brother.

What exactly are these fruitcakes trying to say?

 

[King Arts]

I'm not high enough to understand this

Me too, brother.

What exactly are these fruitcakes trying to say?

They are satanists. Flat out it started subtle people arguing that we should it obey gods laws, then saying atheism was right, and if there is god they are bad because no one deserves hell. Now we are here where even god who is going to give immortality and paradise to humans is evil because he won’t let people put penisis in butts or support rampant sex. Honestly these people deserve hell.
Oh btw Mormons aren’t actually christians but that person’s objection to Mormons was not their polytheism but that their god made certain rules.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Now we are here where even god who is going to give immortality and paradise to humans is evil because he won’t let people put penisis in butts or support rampant sex. Honestly these people deserve hell.
Oh btw Mormons aren’t actually christians but that person’s objection to Mormons was not their polytheism but that their god made certain rules.

To be fair though @King Arts , look at Islam and Odinism. one demands you blow yourself up mutilate your women and abuse your children, on top of that you only really matter if your soul just happens to win the birthing lottery and gets conceived under the right sperm and egg the other one wants you to rape, murder and pillage and pray to him that you don't get too old and die via suicide by cop. If either of these barbaric gods were the one true god-king would you really want to serve them or would you go "go take a flying leap I'll be a Martyr in whatever your equivalent of Hell is."

 

[King Arts]

To be fair though @King Arts , look at Islam and Odinism. one demands you blow yourself up mutilate your women and abuse your children, on top of that you only really matter if your soul just happens to win the birthing lottery and gets conceived under the right sperm and egg the other one wants you to rape, murder and pillage and pray to him that you don't get too old and die via suicide by cop. If either of these barbaric gods were the one true god-king would you really want to serve them or would you go "go take a flying leap I'll be a Martyr in whatever your equivalent of Hell is."

Umm I believe that without god there is no true morality because no human is qualitatively superior to another so when there are differences of opinion why should one’s opinions about right and wrong be considered right and another wrong. With gods they are above humans so they can set morality and judgment after death. So for Islam if it was true I would not reject it(it’s not true though Muhammad is a false prophet) especially since while Muhammad laws aren’t that different from what god gave in the Old Testament. We as Christians are under the new covenant but still the old law is what the Jews still believe in, and while the old law is no longer valid or necessary it is not evil as it comes from god who is pure justice. Asfor Norse religion it’s really difficult because I’m not sure how to apply my moral statement under a system of polytheism where there are multiple gods and they have different opinions.

But I have a question I get what you mean with female mutilation that’s female circumcising right? But what do you mean by your soul only matters if you win the birthing lottery and are born under the right sperm and egg. I’ve never heard that.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

But I have a question I get what you mean with female mutilation that’s female circumcising right? But what do you mean by your soul only matters if you win the birthing lottery and are born under the right sperm and egg. I’ve never heard that.

There are fundamentalist secs within Islam that believe that they alone are Allah's chosen people because of their lineage to Mohammed and all other converts especially of the foreign kind are merely tools to be used as means to ends

The fact of the matter is we Christians tend to take our own religion for granted. Our religion sees no race. It doesn't really see all that much regarding gender beyond certain duties whose (while important and has a purpose as all duties do) self-importance is overblown. (as leadership positions often are) and we are to be as amical and kind as possible where we can be to even our enemies and those who do not believe as we do. Our God is the god of peace love Order and humility.in comparisons to most other religions Christianity is also pretty light in terms of hard commandments the lionshare of the ones we do have can be summed up with 1. Don't have sex outside the confinds of marriage (man and woman) and 2. Don't be an arrogant *hee haw hee haw hee haw* to those around you. In terms of religion we basi bought into the platinum plan... assuming we don't adulterate it with our own politics which often happens.

Also Keep in mind these people have been conditioned to believe that they were born as part of the LGBTQ spectrum and that that is their single defining personality trait.

It's hard to break that conditioning especially when the opposition doesn't really provide an alternative beyond "submit or die... preferably both for you guys are nature's mistake."

Our mistake as christians is that we have forgotten our roots and that we too are sinners who are a working progress. We've lost that aspect of hope "in that we don't have to be defined by our carnal natures" we are to ecreate change through the heart and not the sword.

 

[Marduk]

Also Keep in mind these people have been conditioned to believe that they were born as part of the LGBTQ spectrum and that that is their single defining personality trait.

It's hard to break that conditioning especially when the opposition doesn't really provide an alternative beyond "submit or die... preferably both for you guys are nature's mistake."

That is a bit of a shallow perception of the problem with them, that can only be corrected by careful observation of them. It would be bad enough if that was the case, but it is something worse - they are not only zealous adherents alphabet soup identity, they also consider it a part of global intersectionality, which is a fancy term for world proletariat 2.0, now with less workers and more special snowflakes. This is where apparently nonsensical actions like the alphabet soup people protesting against abortion restrictions (as if they of all people had much use for that) and in favor of islamic immigrants who would prefer to see them dead if they had their way.
These two identities and all their sociopolitical and cultural implications are tightly connected, and so there cannot be an easy way to break that conditioning, and doubly so break just one part without touching the other (however pointless that would be anyway).

Also since when is death the default option given by western societies to "nature's mistakes"?
I for one thing they could dramatically reduce the amount of controversy around them if they took a couple step backs after the recent decade's dozen step forward and just started acting like all the more obscure sexual fetish practitioners, some quite disgusting, though generally not illegal. It's only a certain subculture with its own flags, unlike those groups, has an odd, definitely politically motivated need to take this shit to the arena of public discourse and demand that the general society changes in various ways to accommodate, rubberstamp, assist and preferably also celebrate their particular lifestyles, whims, needs and fancies.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Also since when is death the default option given by western societies to "nature's mistakes"?

"Go to Hell" *shutters* seems to be the response of modern reactionaries when it comes to dealing with opposition. That's the aspect I'm trying to address. The rest of your argument I coincide.

 

[Ixian]

I'm not high enough to understand this

Its the plot from that movie with mila kunis, called jupiter ascending I think.

Gods or Aliens or whatever grow human civilization to a certain point, then harvest it killing most people and resetting civilization to do it all over again.

And apparently that guy thinks Mormonism has a similar set up.

It also vaguely reminds me of a book series called The Three Body Problem, with Gods/Aliens messing with the laws of physics in parts of the Universe to keep civilizations in those areas limited and prevent them from discovering FTL or creating efficient AI.

 

[Marduk]

"Go to Hell" *shutters* seems to be the response of modern reactionaries when it comes to dealing with opposition. That's the aspect I'm trying to address. The rest of your argument I coincide.

Well, if you pick the sufficiently fringe section of any group, you will also get a sufficiently extreme opinion out of it. But how common and influential are these people really?

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Amount here? More than it should, but fair enough.

 

[King Arts]

There are fundamentalist secs within Islam that believe that they alone are Allah's chosen people because of their lineage to Mohammed and all other converts especially of the foreign kind are merely tools to be used as means to ends

The fact of the matter is we Christians tend to take our own religion for granted. Our religion sees no race. It doesn't really see all that much regarding gender beyond certain duties whose (while important and has a purpose as all duties do) self-importance is overblown. (as leadership positions often are) and we are to be as amical and kind as possible where we can be to even our enemies and those who do not believe as we do. Our God is the god of peace love Order and humility.in comparisons to most other religions Christianity is also pretty light in terms of hard commandments the lionshare of the ones we do have can be summed up with 1. Don't have sex outside the confinds of marriage (man and woman) and 2. Don't be an arrogant *hee haw hee haw hee haw* to those around you. In terms of religion we basi bought into the platinum plan... assuming we don't adulterate it with our own politics which often happens.

Also Keep in mind these people have been conditioned to believe that they were born as part of the LGBTQ spectrum and that that is their single defining personality trait.

It's hard to break that conditioning especially when the opposition doesn't really provide an alternative beyond "submit or die... preferably both for you guys are nature's mistake."

Our mistake as christians is that we have forgotten our roots and that we too are sinners who are a working progress. We've lost that aspect of hope "in that we don't have to be defined by our carnal natures" we are to ecreate change through the heart and not the sword.

Ok, I get what you are saying. Yeah one of the beautiful thing about Christianity when it's done right is that it truly is race neutral there is no preference for one race over another this is in contrast to Judaism and to a lesser extent Islam. You said the fundamentalists are Arab racists? I would go a bit further and state one of the reasons why Islam is obviously false is that even the traditional moderates while they might claim that Islam is not racist in the sense of saying one race is better, they do claim that Arab culture is better. They are an Arab spremacist ideology and would help Arab colonialism and forcing others to abandon their ideology and become Arabs like what they did in the Middle East after the Arab conquests.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Ok, I get what you are saying. Yeah one of the beautiful thing about Christianity when it's done right is that it truly is race neutral there is no preference for one race over another this is in contrast to Judaism and to a lesser extent Islam. You said the fundamentalists are Arab racists? I would go a bit further and state one of the reasons why Islam is obviously false is that even the traditional moderates while they might claim that Islam is not racist in the sense of saying one race is better, they do claim that Arab culture is better. They are an Arab spremacist ideology and would help Arab colonialism and forcing others to abandon their ideology and become Arabs like what they did in the Middle East after the Arab conquests.

Of the three main abrahamic religions Islam is the one I'm surprised has lasted as long as it has with as much influence as it has. Judaism I can understand as it is the Old Faith. Christianity I can understand as it is a natural continuation of Judaism Islam is like a derivative fanfiction hybrid of the two.