Transgender Rights

[ReeeFallin]

Children should not ever be reassigned, as their personality and identity is not yet formed, they could flip to cis in a few years and ironically end up with gender dysphoria because of reassignment.

Does that even happen?

I mean the argument in favor of doing it that way is that you end up with much better results in the end.

The most high profile case I can think of is Kim Petras and as far as I know she doesn't regret the decision.

 

[Belinda]

Just a suggestion here, but how about we leave adults to decide for themselves how they ought to live out their lives, whatever their gender?

This kind of liberal snowflake thinking is why we're in a fallen state. Traditional family values have been undermined, which leads to a degradation of the moral fabric of society.

 

[Deleted member 1]

This kind of liberal snowflake thinking is why we're in a fallen state. Traditional family values have been undermined, which leads to a degradation of the moral fabric of society.

Well then, I suppose this is the liberal snowflake forum, since we all left SB and SV to indulge in that liberal canard of free speech they had put a nice sharp stop to over there.

 

[Belinda]

Well then, I suppose this is the liberal snowflake forum, since we all left SB and SV to indulge in that liberal canard of free speech they had put a nice sharp stop to over there.

I'm sorry what are SB and SV? SB=Sonderbehandlung? SV=Sportverei?

 

[FriedCFour]

I'm sorry what are SB and SV? SB=Sonderbehandlung? SV=Sportverei?

Where did you come from again, exactly? Why'd you edit those two in?

 

[GoldRanger]

This kind of liberal snowflake thinking is why we're in a fallen state. Traditional family values have been undermined, which leads to a degradation of the moral fabric of society.

Tone down the false flag here a bit, gal, how do you expect to successfully infiltrate dA fAshEeStS with such blatant trolling?

 

[Belinda]

Where did you come from again, exactly? Why'd you edit those two in?

8ch mainly.

 

[Belinda]

Tone down the false flag here a bit, gal, how do you expect to successfully infiltrate dA fAshEeStS with such blatant trolling?

What trolling?

 

[FriedCFour]

8ch mainly.

Yeah but you said a friend invited you here. Who was that?

 

[GoldRanger]

Does that even happen?

I mean the argument in favor of doing it that way is that you end up with much better results in the end.

The most high profile case I can think of is Kim Petras and as far as I know she doesn't regret the decision.

I don't think a sample size of 1 is a great way to go about things.

Luckily for her, she never had a cause to regret it.

Anyone who ends up regretting it is fucked for life.

Also, what about the potential of parents or the environment to pressure the child into doing something she may later regret? We laugh about the naive shenanigans of children and teenagers who do stupid shit like unprotected sex, getting arrested for stupid reasons etc, but suddenly they are totally mature enough to make an irreversible decision that will change their lives drastically until the day they die?

Bad idea.

 

[Edgeplay_cgo]

I swear the fearmongering about Bathrooms is ridiculous.

If they have, the parts, then they are now X. Consequently them using the bathrooms isn't that big a deal.

If someone actually goes to all the trouble of changing their body to perve in some bathroom (lots of $) then they have problems.

The problem is, there are no standards. There is anecdotal evidence that a significant number of people, primarily biological males, simply name themselves as transexuals so they can shower with the girls or predate. Should we limit this to people who have completed all the surgeries? Started the surgeries? Got a certificate? And what about the privacy rights of girls / women who don't want to look at and be looked at by penises? It's a very emotional issue, and that makes for difficult discussion.

 

[Belinda]

Yeah but you said a friend invited you here. Who was that?

I don't know their name, they just dropped a link and said I'd fit in. I just want to be frens.

 

[ReeeFallin]

The problem is, there are no standards. There is anecdotal evidence that a significant number of people, primarily biological males, simply name themselves as transexuals so they can shower with the girls or predate. Should we limit this to people who have completed all the surgeries? Started the surgeries? Got a certificate? And what about the privacy rights of girls / women who don't want to look at and be looked at by penises? It's a very emotional issue, and that makes for difficult discussion.

I mean i really don't care who wants to use the same bathroom as me.

 

[Edgeplay_cgo]

This comes fresh off the heels of the "transgender woman handcuffed by police for trying to enter a female bathroom" incident in the Philippines.

It's plain to see that these people aren't after equality, they want to do actual social engineering.

Sex shouldn't be assigned at birth, says SOGIE bill advocate

An advocate of the Sexual Orientation and Gender Identity and Expression (SOGIE) Equality Bill on Tuesday said the gender of a child should not be assigned at birth.

news.abs-cbn.com

Sex is included on birth certificates, drivers' licences etc. as an aide to physical identification, not as proof of worth. Perhaps we should change the ID to read:
Subject has
Penis
Vagina
Both
Neither.

 

[Realm]

The problem is, there are no standards. There is anecdotal evidence that a significant number of people, primarily biological males, simply name themselves as transexuals so they can shower with the girls or predate. Should we limit this to people who have completed all the surgeries? Started the surgeries? Got a certificate? And what about the privacy rights of girls / women who don't want to look at and be looked at by penises? It's a very emotional issue, and that makes for difficult discussion.

The problem here is that you're assuming that the effect on women and girls (cis or otherwise) from legally requiring biological sex to determine acceptance into washrooms would be less negative than having to go to the washroom with trans people.

Given that even without these laws, cis women have been harassed by people for "looking trans" in a womens washroom you're on extremely shaky ground there

 

[ReeeFallin]

Sex is included on birth certificates, drivers' licences etc. as an aide to physical identification, not as proof of worth. Perhaps we should change the ID to read:
Subject has
Penis
Vagina
Both
Neither.

I think that's definitely even more dehumanizing.

 

[FriedCFour]

I don't know their name, they just dropped a link and said I'd fit in. I just want to be frens.

odd to be friends with someone you dont even know the name of. this was on 8chan the link was dropped?

 

[Strigan44]

When people claimed that their arm was not a part of their body, and demanded that we cut it off, we kept them safe, got them on antipsychotics, and then got them counseling. Somatoparaphrenia, BDD, whatever. We don't go for surgical correction. The standard treatment is counseling. People with Gender Dysphoria need counseling as well.

They have a biological gender. Wishing that it was different isn't going to help them, and 'Gender Reassignment Surgery' isn't. It is mutilation, and it doesn't solve or treat the underlying problems the patient has. In fact, it frequently makes them worse. This is observable based on the increased rate of suicide following such surgery. People don't get what they were promised.

I’m going to need a citation for this. Actual studies have shown that medical transitioning and social acceptance have a very significant effect on reducing the risk of self-harm among transgender individuals. In general, transitioning is the only form of "treatment" that reliably works.

Another problem I have with current action involves the situation with transgender bathrooms. Letting men into a womens' restroom because they claim to be transgender or vice versa is a problem. There have already been sexual assaults as a result of this. Don't remember if the man in question actually managed to commit rape as well or not. If people want to spend money building a third, single bathroom for the gender-confused like they sometimes do for baby changing, they have that right, but I'm against mixing genders in the same bathroom at the same time.

If a person has no qualms about committing sexual assault, then it's very unlikely that they'll be dissauded by going into the wrong bathroom.

 

[Deleted member 1]

To be honest, the idea that a law against entering a room with an unlocked door will stop violent crime is equivalent to the idea that a gun free zone will stop violent crime.

 

[Edgeplay_cgo]

I'm more libertarian on this issue myself. I think people should be free to do as they wish and that there can be an accommodation both camps can live with. I think the surgery should be postponed until 18 as that is the age of legal responsibility. Respectfully, I'm not sure anyone has the self-awareness to make that decision under 18. I find it puzzling why anyone would claim that individuals under 18 do not have the maturity to vote, serve in the military, live on their own, etc., but they do have the maturity to make this decision. Of course, there need to be legal protections from harassment and violence. I think that everyone here can agree on that.

I don't know what the standards are, now, if there are any. They used to be that you had to live as your self selected gender, and have letters of recommendation from two psychiatrists.

Some children decide very early that "something is not right." But this conflicts with childhood confusion and the fashionability of being TG. There is also a population of hipster parents who think having a TG child is cool, and want to virtue signal. I am very leery of applying a permanent solution to a temporary issue.

A dear friend knew when she was a child that "something was wrong." But she served a successful and sensitive tour in the Navy, married, and raised two daughters before she pulled the pin and went into transition. She has been living solely as a woman for over ten years, now. She says this is the first time she has known peace. Does she have problems? Yes. But she has a lot of peace.