Time to Shut Down Pornhub

[The Name of Love]

Both the teen and kidnapper was identified from the movies he posted.

Suspect arrested after missing teen girl was spotted on Pornhub

A teenage girl who had been missing for nearly a year was found by authorities in Florida after sexually explicit photos of her were found online, a report said Thursday. Police found close to 60 p…

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Alright, thank you.

So Pornhub's negligence leads to people being arrested then. That's something to consider. I think that the particular case that the author of the Washington Examiner article made may be wrong-headed then.

 

[Cyan Saiyajin]

Alright, thank you.

So Pornhub's negligence leads to people being arrested then. That's something to consider. I think that the particular case that the author of the Washington Examiner article made may be wrong-headed then.

Honestly it feels like he smudged over the details, but your original article did mention it.

A 15-year-old girl who had been missing for a year was finally found after her mother was tipped off that her daughter was being featured in videos on the site — 58 such videos of her rape and sexual abuse were discovered on Pornhub.

So basically he posted a ton of videos, someone recognized the girl, told the mother, presumable she told the police, and they were able to identify him from the videos and seven eleven footage.

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

Do you think forbidding kids from having cigarettes or hard drugs is tyrannical?

Show ID, you can buy, the actually effective part of getting kids off smoking was changing the culture SURROUNDING smoking, because prior they just got someone older to buy it for them. To enforce your ban in any way that wouldn't get you laughed at you'd have to somehow actually be able to tell when a parent/friend is buying a phone for someone else... Oh, and you'd be laughed at because the internet is highly useful for a wide array of activities outside of Porn.

No matter WHAT the muppets tell you in their stupid song.

 

[Battlegrinder]

In the OP, I presented viable alternatives.
You guys dismissed them out of hand as "impractical" or "authoritarian," if you haven't ignored them.

That's because all those ideas are impractical and authoritarian, and also because neither you nor the authors of those articles have presented a case for why drastic action is actually needed.

The proposals, for the record:

1. Make ISPs create content filter for the internet, barricading kids for looking at porn but letting adults opt in and access it. How exactly this is supposed to work better than the current system of "click a button that says your 18 when you access a porn site" isn't specified. The author mentions the UK's porn filter, but somehow neglected to mention that said filter doesn't actually work. Calling that an impractical solution is almost being too generous.

2. Mandate websites collect personal information before they allow access. Because we don't have enough problems with data breaches and people's personal information being stolen already. Impractical.

3. Remove thier legal protection from liability, which is not actually a solution to the problem the article is going on about and is legally dubious at best.

4. Call on hollywood, journalists, and other culturally influential forces to join together and preach their vision of a better society. Given that those same forces created the current status quo because it directly benefits them, I foresee this plan working about as well as putting Phillip Morris in charge of a campaign to fight smoking.

5. Invoke obscenity laws to go after pornographers, which would be a great idea if not for the fact those laws are mostly unconstitutional, and in this case entirely unenforceable. Pornhub has a legally mandated age restriction filter, that's going to gut any argument you use against them. Even if you somehow get around that, and somehow prove damages, good luck trying to sell "well yes, I let him on the computer, and yes I let him use the internet, and yes I didn't use parental controls, but it's your fault he was able to watch porn" in court.

It's one thing to demand perfection. But I'm not doing that, am I? I acknowledge that social media companies like Twitter and Facebook have this problem too. But as I pointed out, its laissez-faire system practically invites abuse.

Well, for one thing this isn't a laissez-faire system, and for the next thing, you've claimed it invites abuse and then not backed up that in a substantive way while proposing "solutions" that are far more destructive than the alleged problem.



Edit: one a lighter note, I present Scott Adam's take on most of these proposals:

 

[Shipmaster Sane]

I don't really believe in tyranny, actually. In fact, I'd say I'm more of a "virtue even if you're not comfy" types.

True, you dont seem to believe that Tyranny exists, which is a lot like not believing that "being on fire" exists.

 

[S'task]

Do you think forbidding kids from having cigarettes or hard drugs is tyrannical?

So, to try and explain why these restrictions are more easy to enforce and ALSO less of a risk to society at large.

Firstly, let's say we restrict porn via an age gap similar to how we do with tobacco and alcohol. How will websites then do an age verification for their users? They will require some form of unique identifier only an adult has access to. This will either take the form of a Driver's License or Credit (not debit) Card.

Now, when dealing with over the counter purchases like alcohol and tobacco, this check is easy. The cashier looks at the card, compared the picture to the person, and checks the date, then hands back the card and completes the transaction. Now, fake IDs are a thing, but they are of limited distribution and the security features of ID cards has been getting better and less copyable.

However, there's a problem with doing this online. Firstly, you can't just scan the card in, not everyone has a scanner and subsequent manual verification for a site like Pornhub which sees hundreds of thousands of unique hits a day, isn't really practical. So you automate the process by using the unique number assigned to the Driver's License which the user has to input manually along with State and possibly some other information depending on what's needed to verify the ID. This is where the entire process diverges sharply from the in person process.

You see, when you buy alcohol or tobacco and show the ID, the cashier, unless they have a photographic memory, likely quickly forgets the data on the card. They don't remember you full name, address, the unique ID number, or anything else. They also won't necessarily make a record OF the card in any way, shape, or form. Once the transaction is complete, it's over.

However, in order to compare the ID data to the State database of drivers licenses, Pornhub would have to retain that data, and this introduces a new risk for both pornhub and users, as if pornhub is hacked and that data stolen, that's a lot of personally identifiable information (PII) that is now out there, ripe for identify thieves to use.

Now, I'm not saying this makes the entire idea of such a system impractical, far from it, many websites contain and secure PII quite well (Amazon has home addresses and credit card numbers stored, etc.); however, my only point is that while it may seem superficially like a checkout card check and requiring ID before logging into a porn site is the same, from a risk and back end side of things, they're two VERY different beasts with considerably different risks.

 

[Terthna]

...why is "common-sense" always "tyrannical"?

Because saying something is "common-sense" is an easy tactic to try and manipulate people into thinking that your position holds more credibility than it actually does. It's what you do when you don't actually have an argument; merely opinions.

 

[Lanmandragon]

I gotta say I agree with TNOL that porn is likley harmful. Hell I'd even say it's inhrently degrading as your effectively cucking yourself. That being said I will never ever support allowing the state to ban it. Giving the state power over porn will 100% lead to "hate speech" being legitimized. It's simply to damn dangerous to empower the state to that level. So if it makes you liberals feel better. I'd wager there are more on the right like me than him. So don't lose your mind to hard guys a porn ban isn't happening. You really should consider not using it though in my opinion.

 

[Es Arcanum]

So... we just let Pornhub make child porn with impunity in the name of fighting tech censorship?

Even though pornography itself is causing massive health problems?

I'll never get you free speech types.

I heard that criminals sometimes use phones and the internet to commit crimes.

We should ban them.

I mean this isn't even analogous to guns, its literally a carriage service and hosting site and a popular one at that. If some criminal is going to be stupid enough to post his illegal activity on it then we should be grateful and use it to track them down. In the meantime just monitor the site.

As for China, I'm deeply disappointed at the lack of quality Chinese porn, Chinese women can be smoking hot.

I'll never get those authoritarian types.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I mean this isn't even analogous to guns, its literally a carriage service and hosting site and a popular one at that. If some criminal is going to be stupid enough to post his illegal activity on it then we should be grateful and use it to track them down. In the meantime just monitor the site.

I remember months ago someone talking about the literal actual NeoNazi site called Stormfront

The CIA or FBI lost lots of leads on them when they could no longer find the place where they most often posted because it was actually shut down

Now it’s the darkweb....which supposedly has FAR MORE information and data processors than the actual internet

To paraphrase a line from Belisarius Saga, “A spy you know is better than a spy you don’t” and you could sorta manage to only show said spy what you want him to know or can afford to know. Can also be the reverse.

Tracking the deepweb would be much much much harder

Plus communications being NOT on the deep web make shit like this surprisingly easy to compile a list of stuff to arrest for

 

[Arch Dornan]

I heard that criminals sometimes use phones and the internet to commit crimes.

We should ban them.

I mean this isn't even analogous to guns, its literally a carriage service and hosting site and a popular one at that. If some criminal is going to be stupid enough to post his illegal activity on it then we should be grateful and use it to track them down. In the meantime just monitor the site.

As for China, I'm deeply disappointed at the lack of quality Chinese porn, Chinese women can be smoking hot.

I'll never get those authoritarian types.

I remember there was YouTube videos about Reddit confessions. One was a woman being payed to stomp on a man's balls who had a fetish for that. Is that very authoritarian?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I remember there was YouTube videos about Reddit confessions. One was a woman being payed to stomp on a man's balls who had a fetish for that. Is that very authoritarian?

Nope

But man, I think with accounts in the open like that, eventually they’ll find that one weirdo

Unless they censored the guys name while on youtube, then people can ask if she’s now responsible for a man’s death or inability to ever have children

Plus I think a service like that’d be illegal

 

[Abhorsen]

Nope

But man, I think with accounts in the open like that, eventually they’ll find that one weirdo

Unless they censored the guys name while on youtube, then people can ask if she’s now responsible for a man’s death or inability to ever have children

Plus I think a service like that’d be illegal

Nothing wrong with what happened there. If the guy consented to it, and was fully informed of the consequences. He owns his body, he gets to choose what happens to it.

 

[LordsFire]

Nothing wrong with what happened there. If the guy consented to it, and was fully informed of the consequences. He owns his body, he gets to choose what happens to it.

I'd say self-mutilation (aside from for constructive medical purposes) is immoral, but his decision to make. You have the right to screw up your own body, but that doesn't make it morally right to do so.

 

[Terthna]

I gotta say I agree with TNOL that porn is likley harmful. Hell I'd even say it's inhrently degrading as your effectively cucking yourself. That being said I will never ever support allowing the state to ban it. Giving the state power over porn will 100% lead to "hate speech" being legitimized. It's simply to damn dangerous to empower the state to that level. So if it makes you liberals feel better. I'd wager there are more on the right like me than him. So don't lose your mind to hard guys a porn ban isn't happening. You really should consider not using it though in my opinion.

I respect your right to have a wrong opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that your opinion is wrong. At least we can agree that giving the government the power to ban things we believe are harmful is a bad idea; because personally, I'd be tempted to ban organized religion. Particularly the Abrahamic religions.

 

[CarlManvers2019]

I respect your right to have a wrong opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that your opinion is wrong. At least we can agree that giving the government the power to ban things we believe are harmful is a bad idea; because personally, I'd be tempted to ban organized religion. Particularly the Abrahamic religions.

I don’t want guys who can be near unquestionable over time starting religious wars or taxing people

Because let’s face it, being surprisingly intellectual, into science and moral-theological-philosophical debate or not

The Church had a LOT of power back then

Hell, I’m of the belief that atheism doesn’t necessarily lead to the modern insanity of the Left, given that there was that ElevatorGate thing that showed the split or dominance. Hell I think you could be an Atheist and be a fucking Libertarian or even a Nationalist for godssake

 

[Terthna]

I don’t want guys who can be near unquestionable over time starting religious wars or taxing people

Because let’s face it, being surprisingly intellectual, into science and moral-theological-philosophical debate or not

The Church had a LOT of power back then

Hell, I’m of the belief that atheism doesn’t necessarily lead to the modern insanity of the Left, given that there was that ElevatorGate thing that showed the split or dominance. Hell I think you could be an Atheist and be a fucking Libertarian or even a Nationalist for godssake

My issues is with the rampant tribalism, as well as the obsession with obeying instructions from books over a thousand years old, that were compiled and edited to suit various political and personal agendas over the centuries. It's like if I wanted to learn how to use a computer, yet insisted on using an old manual for a Commodore 64 as my only guide, even though entire paragraphs have been crossed out, and replaced with outdated political propaganda. "Turn on the computer using the DON'T BELIEVE THE LIES OF NERO from the front."

 

[Abhorsen]

I'd say self-mutilation (aside from for constructive medical purposes) is immoral, but his decision to make. You have the right to screw up your own body, but that doesn't make it morally right to do so.

But what about sports, which can (and some will certainly) damage the body in pursuit of excellence? What about the pursuit of a higher power in self-destructive ways, such as fasting or self-flagellation?

 

[CarlManvers2019]

My issues is with the rampant tribalism, as well as the obsession with obeying instructions from books over a thousand years old, that were compiled and edited to suit various political and personal agendas over the centuries. It's like if I wanted to learn how to use a computer, yet insisted on using an old manual for a Commodore 64 as my only guide, even though entire paragraphs have been crossed out, and replaced with outdated political propaganda. "Turn on the computer using the DON'T BELIEVE THE LIES OF NERO from the front."

Tribalism, that sorta explains why Atheists are so tolerant of Islam whilst being so edgy critical of Christianity and love Communism so much while hating Capitalism even though both don’t need or are about religion

Anyway, maybe a new thread on the dangers of Tribalism or as Ayn Rand calls it “collectivism”

 

[Lanmandragon]

I respect your right to have a wrong opinion, but that doesn't change the fact that your opinion is wrong. At least we can agree that giving the government the power to ban things we believe are harmful is a bad idea; because personally, I'd be tempted to ban organized religion. Particularly the Abrahamic religions.

I'd gun you down for that just quick. Tyranny is tyranny after all.