Time to Shut Down Pornhub

[Terthna]

You are? Well that changes the context somewhat.

You do realize I am speaking in “if thens” and hypotheticals? I wouldn’t to live in the society I describe. Mostly because I’d probably be shot.

I also don’t wish to live in a society where I must bend the knee to every form of insanity and degeneracy imaginable.

If replicators are invented and the market fades away-if utopia is achieved a la Star Trek. A compassionate, honest, and outward looking culture-now that’s a “leftist” society I could happily live under.

Call me when we get there.

The fact we(meaning conservatives) are having to discuss disposing of democracy at all shows how broken, tired, and simmering with unquenchable anguish we are. At some point sooner or later more and more conservatives will start embracing the hypotheticals I have outlined.

But that’s due to society and the triumph of leftism, not our moral rot.

So in the end, whose authoritarianism is winning right now?

Oh believe me; I am not happy with what the left has turned into, and I understand your frustration. I've been called conservative so often by regressive leftists that, for a while, I believed that I was one; or at the very least a libertarian or some sort of independent. It's only recently that I've come to accept that while I may stand with you against the SJW hoard, I am not one of you. However, I believe your timing is especially poor; the Democrats are collapsing under their own weight, as are most of the regressive left institutions. You don't need a violent revolution; what you need is patience.

I mean heck; think of this from my perspective. Once this is all over, people like me are going to have a heck of a time convincing people that we are not like the nut-jobs who tried to take over, and shaking off the bad reputation they built up for the ideas they superficially claimed to champion. Conservatism is going to rule the roost for quite a while. In twenty years, I fully expect to have to defend freedom of speech from you guys.

So you do realize that to someone who sees even a "reasonable leftism" as something ultimately self-destructive and immoral, this isn't a convincing argument. Right?

Now, if there were to be some sort of understanding whereby we could come to a reasonable compromise, that'd be understandable. The problem is that, every time I propose something, I get shouted down by people like @Abhorsen for being an "authoritarian" and then told by people like @LordsFire that I need to just abandon my principles and just become a libertarian. You can see why that's not compromise, right?

Furthermore, there's going to be areas where we definitely disagree and there is no compromise. You are probably pro-choice. I'm pro-life. There's no compromise there.

Actually, there is a compromise. In cases where the life of the mother is threatened, rape is involved, the child is found to have severe birth defects in the womb, or alternative forms of birth-control unexpectedly failed (particularly when the mother is utterly terrified of, not so much having the child, but going through the process of giving birth); pro-choice. In cases where the mother intends to use abortion as their only method of birth-control; pro-life. And even in cases where the mother is able to chose to abort, she should have to go through mandatory counseling before she make her decision (if there's time; which may not be the case if her life is in danger). Perhaps it's one you wouldn't be happy about, but I'd argue that's a compromise you'd find easier to live with than just letting abortions happen on demand.

 

[Cherico]

Oh believe me; I am not happy with what the left has turned into, and I understand your frustration. I've been called conservative so often by regressive leftists that, for a while, I believed that I was one; or at the very least a libertarian or some sort of independent. It's only recently that I've come to accept that while I may stand with you against the SJW hoard, I am not one of you. However, I believe your timing is especially poor; the Democrats are collapsing under their own weight, as are most of the regressive left institutions. You don't need a violent revolution; what you need is patience.

I mean heck; think of this from my perspective. Once this is all over, people like me are going to have a heck of a time convincing people that we are not like the nut-jobs who tried to take over, and shaking off the bad reputation they built up for the ideas they superficially claimed to champion. Conservatism is going to rule the roost for quite a while. In twenty years, I fully expect to have to defend freedom of speech from you guys.

When that day comes when the pendulum turns that much and the left is being eaten by the same monster they gleefully unleashed onto others I will say.

I told you so.

Then I will sigh and continue to fight for free speech.

 

[SergeantBrother]

This here is what I call p. By this logic, we shouldn’t even have a state. Are you an anarchist?

I'm not an anarchist, but I do believe in erring on the side of fewer laws and regulations.

Imagine if someone went to our NSFW section of the forum and posted a nude picture of an underage person. Then when the moderators discover that the photo is of a minor, they immediately delete the picture and ban the person who posted it. Do you really think that The Sietch should be shut down if that happens? Should the site owner get into legal trouble if that were to happen?

If someone putting a video of someone underage on Pornhub can be used to shut them down and even to prosecute the site owners, it could happen to anybody. We know that in practice, such a law wouldn't be used to shut down all websites, just those sites that allow for dissent against those in power.

Do you want to go into Christian escatology

I'd be up for that, though I'm an atheist, so my perspective on the issue would be different. Also, this thread shouldn't be the place for that discussion.

 

[The Name of Love]

Actually, there is a compromise. In cases where the life of the mother is threatened, rape is involved, the child is found to have severe birth defects in the womb, or alternative forms of birth-control unexpectedly failed (particularly when the mother is utterly terrified of, not so much having the child, but going through the process of giving birth); pro-choice. In cases where the mother intends to use abortion as their only method of birth-control; pro-life. And even in cases where the mother is able to chose to abort, she should have to go through mandatory counseling before she make her decision (if there's time; which may not be the case if her life is in danger). Perhaps it's one you wouldn't be happy about, but I'd argue that's a compromise you'd find easier to live with than just letting abortions happen on demand.

I don't think those are compromises. You're asking me to ignore a living human being being murdered by the mother for the sake of her own sexual pleasure. It's not something any pro-life person could compromise on because of the nature of the evil in question. Pro-lifers only use piecemeal solutions because they see it as the only way to introduce restrictions to abortion. The end goal is to make abortion illegal.

I'm not an anarchist, but I do believe in erring on the side of fewer laws and regulations.

Imagine if someone went to our NSFW section of the forum and posted a nude picture of an underage person. Then when the moderators discover that the photo is of a minor, they immediately delete the picture and ban the person who posted it. Do you really think that The Sietch should be shut down if that happens? Should the site owner get into legal trouble if that were to happen?

If someone putting a video of someone underage on Pornhub can be used to shut them down and even to prosecute the site owners, it could happen to anybody. We know that in practice, such a law wouldn't be used to shut down all websites, just those sites that allow for dissent against those in power.

Again.

For the last time.

PornHub either knowingly verified an underage girl or they didn't care either way. You don't think that they should be held accountable either way?

I understanding erring on the side of fewer laws and regulation, but when it comes to human sexuality, that ought to be the most heavily regulated part of your life simply because of how monumentally important it is. It's the only way to produce new human beings, and the pleasure it produces is extremely powerful.

I'd be up for that, though I'm an atheist, so my perspective on the issue would be different. Also, this thread shouldn't be the place for that discussion.

Well, DM me when you want to talk about it, and I'll make a thread. I did already make a philosophy thread on rights and freedoms earlier, but it seems like nobody wants to debate me on that.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I'm not an anarchist, but I do believe in erring on the side of fewer laws and regulations.

Imagine if someone went to our NSFW section of the forum and posted a nude picture of an underage person. Then when the moderators discover that the photo is of a minor, they immediately delete the picture and ban the person who posted it. Do you really think that The Sietch should be shut down if that happens? Should the site owner get into legal trouble if that were to happen?

If someone putting a video of someone underage on Pornhub can be used to shut them down and even to prosecute the site owners, it could happen to anybody. We know that in practice, such a law wouldn't be used to shut down all websites, just those sites that allow for dissent against those in power.


I'd be up for that, though I'm an atheist, so my perspective on the issue would be different. Also, this thread shouldn't be the place for that discussion.

That’s the reason primarily(beyond the owner’s morality) that these regulations exist in the first place. To protect the owner against legal liability.

Just yesterday I had to add a NSFW set of rules for discord I run due to someone posting a very borderline(as in step over and I would have to ban borderline) meme.

I didn’t ban the person or declare a full scale ban on any fanfiction with sex in it, but I made clear that I will not tolerate anything that gets me a visit from the FBI.

I don’t want the headache of deciding what is and what isn’t appropriate, neither do most site proprietors. So the policies implemented are less about enforcing some sort of Puritanism and more about ensuring we don’t get arrested for violating say child pornography laws because someone on your website or forum posted something that could be construed as such.

It’s covering your bases.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Again.

For the last time.

PornHub either knowingly verified an underage girl or they didn't care either way. You don't think that they should be held accountable either way?

Again, pornhub verification does next to nothing, harping on the fact the accidental gave that tag to someone underage (there is no "either" here, if you want to say they knowingly verified a 15cyrar old you need some actually evidence for that) is pointless, because even if they hadn't verified her the outcome would have been precisely the same. This is just grasping for straws.

 

[The Name of Love]

Again, pornhub verification does next to nothing, harping on the fact the accidental gave that tag to someone underage (there is no "either" here, if you want to say they knowingly verified a 15cyrar old you need some actually evidence for that) is pointless, because even if they hadn't verified her the outcome would have been precisely the same. This is just grasping for straws.

So you are okay with their negligence?

 

[Battlegrinder]

So you are okay with their negligence?

Pornhub, like most other sites that host user generated content, is not obligated to check every single video before it goes live, and probably lacks the means to do so in the first place. I don't see how that's negligent.

As for your incessant harping on about them handing her a meaningless blue checkmark, it's less that I'm ok with it and more that I don't care because, again, pornhub verification does nothing.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I do find it particularly frightening and revealing at the same time that “teen sex” videos or videos where an older man has sex with a (assumed teen) girl are so popular on Pornhub. Is it because teenagers are subconsciously viewed as the most attractive and fertile amongst adults.

Or is there some other sicker reason?

As it is, Pornhub is such a big site they can’t possibly monitor every video that is uploaded or verify the age of the participants therein.

Also as someone else said-it’s in their general interest to remove such content when it is found out and cooperate with authorities, given they have if not a monopoly, a dominant sway over online pornography and also a reputation to maintain. Illegal content hurts that.

 

[ShieldWife]

I do find it particularly frightening and revealing at the same time that “teen sex” videos or videos where an older man has sex with a (assumed teen) girl are so popular on Pornhub. Is it because teenagers are subconsciously viewed as the most attractive and fertile amongst adults.

Or is there some other sicker reason?

There are millions of fetishes that you can find pornography for out there. Some of it defies explanation for why somebody (much less so many people) would like it.

Older men with teenage girls makes sense though. Teenage girls are sexually mature and evolutionarily, are at a good age for sex and procreation. The fertility of the teenage girl isn’t reduced because her partner is older, so it’s entirely reasonable to expect older men to be attracted to teenage girls. A middle aged man attracted to teenagers might naturally be inclined to watch porn where a man like himself has sex with the kind of girl he is attracted to.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Also historically marriages where the man was much older and the woman a teenager were quite common. In the Bible-its believed in fact Mary was 14ish(I think) whereas Joseph was in his thirties or late twenties.

As you say they are sexually mature and available for procreation, and being much younger than their husbands-are more dependent on them, and will live longer.

Given modern society no longer looks kindly on these sorts of relationships, it may indeed be a way in which older men with these desires find an outlet for them.

 

[S'task]

do find it particularly frightening and revealing at the same time that “teen sex” videos or videos where an older man has sex with a (assumed teen) girl are so popular on Pornhub. Is it because teenagers are subconsciously viewed as the most attractive and fertile amongst adults.

"Mature Man and Teen Girl" is just one specific pairing, "Teen" just means one of the actors involved looks to be teenage, this could be the female, the male, or both. It's also likely a category that people who tend to prefer smaller bust sizes gravitate towards even if they're not specifically interested in actual teens, as many more adult looking actresses tend to be large chested. So there's multiple reasons why it's a category.

 

[ShieldWife]

We do have to draw the legal line somewhere, but I see no reason to villainize older guys who are attracted to teens. It’s been common through out human history. Even different US states have different ages of consent, usually ranging between 16 and 18. It’s silly to say that having sex with a 17 year old girl is fine and legal in one place, then you step across an imaginary border and it’s child molestation.

That can even apply to so called “child pornography” with a 16 or 17 year old who is at the age of consent in most US states but if a video is made of her it’s suddenly child pornography.

As I said, a line must be drawn but we do need to try to exercise a little bit of common sense even after someone brings up dreaded pedophilia.

 

[SergeantBrother]

PornHub either knowingly verified an underage girl or they didn't care either way. You don't think that they should be held accountable either way?

Isn't verification just taking a picture of the person holding up a sheet of paper with their user name written on it? It's meant to verify that the person in the videos or pictures is the same person who has the account. It isn't age verification and in fact can be very easily subverted in any case. Should Pornhub be stricter about that sort of thing? I don't know, but I'm confident that they wouldn't want underage porn on their website.

I understanding erring on the side of fewer laws and regulation, but when it comes to human sexuality, that ought to be the most heavily regulated part of your life simply because of how monumentally important it is. It's the only way to produce new human beings, and the pleasure it produces is extremely powerful.

Maybe sexuality should have minimal regulations between it is such a personal and intimate activity, do we really want the police in our bedrooms? Far better to change people's behavior by influencing their morality rather than with laws.

Well, DM me when you want to talk about it, and I'll make a thread. I did already make a philosophy thread on rights and freedoms earlier, but it seems like nobody wants to debate me on that.

I'll take a look.

 

[Battlegrinder]

I do find it particularly frightening and revealing at the same time that “teen sex” videos or videos where an older man has sex with a (assumed teen) girl are so popular on Pornhub. Is it because teenagers are subconsciously viewed as the most attractive and fertile amongst adults.

"Mature Man and Teen Girl" is just one specific pairing, "Teen" just means one of the actors involved looks to be teenage, this could be the female, the male, or both. It's also likely a category that people who tend to prefer smaller bust sizes gravitate towards even if they're not specifically interested in actual teens, as many more adult looking actresses tend to be large chested. So there's multiple reasons why it's a category.

I'd also note that "teen" does not always mean "looks ~15 years old" or "has a small bust size". It will also just refer to videos where one or both actresses is technically a teen, as in 18 or 19. I recall August Ames started out doing a lot of "teen" videos when she entered the industry when she was 18, and she had a large bust size even then.

I'll further note that while it was a popular search term, it was not that popular. The most popular by far were "Japanese", "hentia", "lesbian", and "milf". Teen was far less popular and continuing to trend down.

 

[The Name of Love]

Pornhub, like most other sites that host user generated content, is not obligated to check every single video before it goes live, and probably lacks the means to do so in the first place. I don't see how that's negligent.

As for your incessant harping on about them handing her a meaningless blue checkmark, it's less that I'm ok with it and more that I don't care because, again, pornhub verification does nothing.

They didn't have age verification, that's why.

Other websites don't have a system whereby you can upload pornography to the Internet, so they aren't as big a deal. There are still other problems with them, however.

Isn't verification just taking a picture of the person holding up a sheet of paper with their user name written on it? It's meant to verify that the person in the videos or pictures is the same person who has the account. It isn't age verification and in fact can be very easily subverted in any case. Should Pornhub be stricter about that sort of thing? I don't know, but I'm confident that they wouldn't want underage porn on their website.

I guess that means we have to get rid of porn websites, then.

Maybe sexuality should have minimal regulations between it is such a personal and intimate activity, do we really want the police in our bedrooms? Far better to change people's behavior by influencing their morality rather than with laws.

What do you mean "in the bedroom"? Do you think that the Internet is "in the bedroom?" No! Posting something on the Internet is the equivalent of posting it in the public town square. Why wouldn't we regulate it?

Also, again, sex does have consequences outside of the bedroom. You seem to think that a couple having sex is like a teenage girl writing in her diary, and the state regulating sexual activity is like the state telling the girl what to put in her diary. Is sex actually like that? I don't think so, and I don't think you do either?

 

[Battlegrinder]

They didn't have age verification, that's why.

What, you think the traffickers would have just been honest about her the fact that the girl they kidnapped and raped was underage?

Other websites don't have a system whereby you can upload pornography to the Internet, so they aren't as big a deal. There are still other problems with them, however.

As a matter of fact, other websites do have a system where you can upload porn. You are aware there are porn sites other than pornhub, right?

 

[ShadowsOfParadox]

They didn't have age verification, that's why.

...give me a way to verify age online, I'll give you at least one way I'd lie to it successfully.

 

[The Name of Love]

What, you think the traffickers would have just been honest about her the fact that the girl they kidnapped and raped was underage?

...give me a way to verify age online, I'll give you at least one way I'd lie to it successfully.

First of all, if they had an age verification system, they wouldn't have had to admit that "yes, we verified a kidnapped girl that was fifteen years old," something they know it was bad. In this case, they have no plausible deniability.

As a matter of fact, other websites do have a system where you can upload porn. You are aware there are porn sites other than pornhub, right?

I was actually talking about social media websites. I know other porn sites are just as bad.

 

[Terthna]

I don't think those are compromises. You're asking me to ignore a living human being being murdered by the mother for the sake of her own sexual pleasure. It's not something any pro-life person could compromise on because of the nature of the evil in question. Pro-lifers only use piecemeal solutions because they see it as the only way to introduce restrictions to abortion. The end goal is to make abortion illegal.

Ah, I get it now; your definition of compromise is when you get everything you want. That's not what a compromise is; if you're totally happy with it, it's not a compromise, period. I hand you the possibility of setting a number of restrictions on when a mother can get an abortion, as well as mandated counseling (which has been pointed out numerous times by pro-lifers on this forum is a major faction in mothers deciding against abortion), and you throw it back in my face, insisting that only complete capitulation to your every demand is acceptable.

There is no convincing argument for someone like you; you've simply dug too deep into your own ideology to ever consider a real compromise.